1982 Sylvan Bassboat project

[JDA1975]

Re: 1982 Sylvan Bassboat project

yeah I was on a little, in fact I was replying and dubbing thee pinky when the outage occurred, if ya get around to doing the vinyl hollar I will help if i can

 

[craigweaver]

quick update. I did get the Morse sewing machine today! $75 and it looks awesome, other than the color. Holy backbreaker batman! this thing is heavy!

I'll have more tomorrow...

 

[jbcurt00]

Re: 1982 Sylvan Bassboat project

Congrats! Even in that color......

Hey, retro is still 'in' right? That hue is much more retro then the screaming mimi pink Morse photo I posted. Polly pink is the 'new' puke green

Besides, I think that color is very slimming on you & the Sylvan. Have you considered a little bit of a color change?

Have a great Sunday

 

[GT1000000]

Re: 1982 Sylvan Bassboat project

Thanks guys, I do appreciate the advice. We're kinda pot committed to our current course for the scratches and chips on the hull. Nothing was too deep. We got a single coat on almost the rest of the scratches and chips tonight after a thorough wash and wipe down with acetone.

What's the best method for removing the Sylvan logo/stickers on the sides? We're going to use the Valspar primer from TSC. going with gloss white for most of it and repainting the brown metal flake to a dark green metal flake. Any tips on how to do the metal flake would be appreciated as well. I thought I'd head to Sherwin Williams in town and talk with them about some Oil based Enamel options and use the Valspar hardener from TSC.

Here's a quick pic of tonights progress.

Sorry I missed this post earlier, but let me chime in here...

We don't do boats, but we do brand new, off the lot cars with unintended dings, bangs, bumps, scrapes and wrecks, and also most anything else that rolls in off of the street that either the owner or the insurance company is willing to pay for...
When it comes to metallic or metal flake paint I can tell you a few things...
1-Unless it is a Factory Original paint code Formula, on a finish less than say, three/four years old, it will be difficult at BEST, if not outright impossible, to get a perfect match...[That's where panel blending comes into play]...
2-If it is not original and you are not the original painter, you will have to be a magician to try and match somebody else's work...[amounts, coats, layers, techniques,etc.]
3- Unless you are going to use some strange "Ralph Lauren" type interior home latex paint which has a metallic sheen to it... I would NOT recommend this......

I would stay away from any metallic or metal flake-type paint finish for a boat.
Can be a real PITA, not if, but when the time comes for a touch up...

Most metallic/metal flakes are usually suspended in the base color or a base clear and MUST be properly sprayed on to prevent it from looking like Zebra stripes or Leopard splotches.

NOTE: by "properly", I mean a very practiced/experienced hand at spraying metallics/flakes

Rolling or brushing on of any metallic/flake paint, is almost 100% guaranteed to look very, very bad...

This is just my personal opinion based on years of working with, in and around all kinds of paint products...
I am sure someone out there has done this successfully, but I haven't seen the pictures or description...yet

If you are dead set on doing a metallic or flake paint job, educate yourself on the proper techniques and practice a lot...it is the only way you will get a satisfactory job...

As far as removing the old stickers, you have a couple or three, ways to do this...
1-Use a single edged razor blade, turned almost flat to the surface, between the sticker and the finish, and carefully peel away the sticker, then use some laquer thinner or acetone to remove the rest of the remaining adhesive...

2-I use a tool called a Dynabrade with a rubber wheel on it to remove pinstripes, adhesives, double stick tapes, etc, from paint finishes...it is like a High Speed Eraser...here is a link to their website... http://www.dynabrade.com/dyn10/...
their server is currently down so I couldn't get a pic for ya...if the underlying finish is in good condition, it won't even mar the surface.
You might be able to rent a similar tool locally, if necessary...

3-Chemical stripper, last resort, may damage the finish

Hope any, some or all of this helps...
Later,
GT1M

PS- Awesome score on the pink Morse...

 

[craigweaver]

ok, the pink Morse is more of a purple/pink color. It's in great shape and works. I haven't really tried to do anything with it but that will come soon enough. I like that it has a case so I can put it away when not in use. Here's a few pics from this afternoon.

GT1M, Thanks for all the info. We used option 1 and got the decals off quite well. After all you wrote about the downsides of metal flake. I think I'll heed your advice and give up on that idea. I think what I have in mind for a paint scheme could possibly look better with just a high gloss and no flake anyways. You're auto-body advice is spot on in this case.

We finished sanding the screwed up batch of filler today. What a mess! We managed to have time to wash the hull down, wipe it with acetone and run another couple of batches of filler. A couple of batches you say? Umm, yeah, I followed Judges advice and made sure I didn't mix it too lean this time. Yeah, this time it kicked in about 3 minutes. It was kinda cool actually, lol. I'm glad we were both working opposite sides of the hull so we didn't waste too much. Then we mixed a batch with a little less hardener and it kicked in about 6-10 minutes. Much better and we were able to finish patching.

So, Thanks Judge for the hint on color.

The really brown color was too quick to kick.

This is the color that worked better,

Hopefully tomorrow night we can sand it all back down again. Getting close on the hull. I picked up the primer (Valspar, from TSC) this weekend. I would like to have all the filler & primer done by next weekend so we can start painting the final hull colors.

 

[sphelps]

Re: 1982 Sylvan Bassboat project

Looken good ! Make sure when you sand the filler down you hit the outside edges real good . When you put that glossy finish paint on it will jump out like a light bulb if it,s not sanded well. I had to refill some edges on my hardtop today because it was,nt .:facepalm:
You using the valspar tractor metal primer?

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: 1982 Sylvan Bassboat project

Boy I remember those days. I thought I would NEVER get my Hull filled and sanded. Looks like your bobbin winder rubber wheel has seen better days. If it's really HARD it won't work properly. You might find a wide rubber band to put around it to give it more grip. Did the machine come with a zipper foot? If not contact me for a source. How about Bobbins? Any extras? Got a source for them too. Here's a link you'll want too.



http://www.sewusa.com/Threading_Dia...eading/Morse_Super_Dial_threading_diagram.htm

 

[sphelps]

Re: 1982 Sylvan Bassboat project

sorry dbl post my service keeps going on and off.

 

[craigweaver]

Wood, send me all the links you got man. I know it doesn't have the zipper foot so that is on the must get list. If you say I need other stuff then it's on the list as well. In a couple of weeks I'd like to give you a call and discuss the cleaning out and oiling process you talked about before. Right now, my plates full with the hull so I want to keep on that until done.

SP, Thanks for the advice.That's why we're taking so long. The other thing we'll do is once we think we have it, we'll shoot a coat of primer then see what the bright lights say. I fully expect we'll have to to a little more filling once we get a coat of primer on. Oh, and yes it's the Valspar tractor/metal primer (oil based).

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: 1982 Sylvan Bassboat project

I think your machine is a "Low Foot" but measure the height of the thumb screw when the presser foot is down and then order accordingly.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Adjustable-...051?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item415faf483b

Did the machine come with a Manual? You can get one Here if you want.
$10 bucks

http://www.sewusa.com/Sewing_Machine_Manuals/Morse_Manuals/Super_Dial_Instruction_Manual.htm

Did I send you Needle and Thread Links?

 

[JDA1975]

Re: 1982 Sylvan Bassboat project

Make sure you get the adjustable zipper foot, makes setting it just right easier, also something I learned when doing the piping, sew it loose and then sew in tight when you attach it to the other fabric...this way if you're a little loose it doesn't show the seam you sewed in the piping.

Wood has some awesome links, and I will second them, as quality sellers, I used the same folks and have nothing but good things to say! Also sending you a PM, I have a lot of free time, so if and when you have a question, feel free to give me a call

 

[craigweaver]

Re: 1982 Sylvan Bassboat project

Thanks Wood! I've heard you touting that zipper foot for so long, that will be the first thing I order. You didn't send me the needle and thread links but I think I saw where you sent them to Judge on his thread.

Judge, I've read your entire thread and have learned from your progress. I'm going to give you a call regardless this week, I want to put a voice to name and see how you're faring these days. Been a little worried about you this week.

Ok, here is the past week in a nutshell. I had to earn my paycheck with a lot of after hours support. It seemed everything that could break at work tried to. The plus side is I now have a bunch of comp time to use up. That is the downside of being a computer geek and the one they all turn to when the going get's rough, lol. Thank God I'm not regularily on call any more, I sure don't miss those days. But, if they do call it means things are really messed up now. Not always fun but always a learning experience.

I did manage to spend a little time on the boat this weekend. Wood, you are right the filling and sanding is killing me. I have to remind myself that this is the bottom of the hull and it doesn't have to be perfect. It's just so hard to do that, lol. I made it through and entire cycle of sand, wash, wipe and fill. If all goes well this will be the last fill before we shoot some primer. I even looked at some Rustoleum paint today. I decided it's going to be white with hunter green accents.

Looking forward to big visual changes this week. Sorry no pictures tonight. I'm sick of pictures of filled hull.

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: 1982 Sylvan Bassboat project

"I'm sick of pictures of filled hull."

Boy, do I remember saying those words. I'd check out the Valspar Paint and Hardener too. Just because they are from the same MFG and KNOWN to be compatible. Not saying the Rustoleum won't work, just that for SURE the Valspar will and they Have White and JOHN DEERE Green. Wooo Hooo!!!!!!

 

[sphelps]

Re: 1982 Sylvan Bassboat project

Wood I think he was wanting Spartan green not the JD. .
Hey Craig , I used some of the same filler you used on the hull on the underside of my H/T . It seemed a little gooyie but it kinda worked in ok. It was much less expensive than the premium filler.

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: 1982 Sylvan Bassboat project

Hey, I think John Deere WAS a Spartan!!!!

 

[craigweaver]

Re: 1982 Sylvan Bassboat project

Hey, I think John Deere WAS a Spartan!!!!

I didn't know that Wood, I love my JD tractor, I just can't bring myself to put that pale of a green on my boat. I have a few sutle things in mind to pay tribute to my Spartans and the first and foremost thing it needs is a deep, dark rich green. I haven't found one in Valspar but I haven't given up. I may test the Rustoleum though with some Valspar hardener and see what happens on something like cardboard.

Ok, after another week of work kicking my rear and too many family obligations I finally got time to spend back on the boat today. I can't believe I'm about to say this but I think the filling and sanding on the hull is done. (for now, lol) I'm ready to shoot the first coat of primer and see what needs more work. I've resigned myself to accepting some cosmetic issues on the bottom where no one will ever see them. We'll see how my resolve holds out, I tend to be a bit of a perfectionist.

Here is what I hope are the last pictures of my filled/sanded/unpainted hull.

I ran out of time to figure out my hvlp gun tonight once I washed & wiped down with acetone. I guess I'll have to do it again tomorrow but at least it's spray time!

I'm trying to remember whose thread had the info on setting up the hvlp gun and how much to thin the primer and with what. Any clues would be appreciated.

time to look like I'm moving forward again, lol

 

[jbcurt00]

Re: 1982 Sylvan Bassboat project

PM WOG while he's online. If not him, he'll know or find it quick for hvlp setup

 

[jbcurt00]

Re: 1982 Sylvan Bassboat project

Didn't want you to miss Wood while he was on, so sent that quick.

The hull looks good! Looking at your last pix, I keep thinking 70's wood paneling on a station wagon. Sure you don't want to 'faux' wood grain that top 1/3 of the hull?

Just a thought. Not necessarily a good one.....

The filling & sanding looks good. A high build primer and a little more spots will stand out. Use the primer as a learning curve & be able shoot the top coats w/ minimal problems. The more prep & paint you do on the bottom of the hull, the better you'll be at it when you get to the topsides where it's easily seen. Esp to you from the helm

 

[sphelps]

Re: 1982 Sylvan Bassboat project

1/3 cup acetone to 2 cups primer. Wood helped me out around page 13 on my thread.

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: 1982 Sylvan Bassboat project

The Rustoleum works just fine with the hardener. No need to worry about it. I've used it with NO ISSUES. Just like to keep MFG the same when I can. AS for setting up the gun this will help...
http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/techinfo/HVLPspraygun.html

And the formula for mixing and thinning the paint is on Page #10 of my Thread.

PM me if you need anything specific.

1/3 cup Acetone to 2 cups Primer