1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

T748

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Your idea on using an air chisel is a great one! That thing can remove transom wood very quickly. Truly a must have tool. Thanks for the tip!-Tom
 

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25 yards of 6 oz cloth, and 15 more yards of 17 oz biax are "out for delivery" with UPS already. Ordered via Jamestown this time as the prices were not too bad and shipping was less. Took less than 2 days to get here too!

Now we can finish up glassing the inside of the sump, and start fabricating the forward bulkheads and stringers.

I'll order some tint after that and when we put the sole down, it'll be laminated using off-white epoxy throughout the cabin.
 

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I ordered the off white too, figured the white was too white. In the bottle, it looks "very" off white...almost tan

I guess i wont feel as bad when it gets dirty lol
 

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I ordered the off white too, figured the white was too white. In the bottle, it looks "very" off white...almost tan

I guess i wont feel as bad when it gets dirty lol

My whole interior is "very" off-white at present (the surviving gelcoat, what little is left of it...), so maybe it'll match. :)
 

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Got a little done today. Put the pieces of 3/4"plywood previously cut and sealed into position and trimmed a smidge on one end:

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then measured and cut the piece that sits forward of them and covers the sump:

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The forward edge of that piece is rounded over as it will be an exposed step.

Note the piece of scrap ply laying across the hull in front of the bulkhead. This is approximately the height of the galley sole, 7 3/4" inches below the sole at the base of the stairs and under the head.

We shot a laser parallel to the rear stringers around the forward half of the hull as a reference for all structure to be fabricated. Sitting and thinking, and measuring and thinking, and mocking up with scrap lumber led us to a slightly different stringer design than I had originally envisioned. Under the dropped sole, there will be three stringers made of 1 1/2" fir. The center one is nearly 9" tall at the bulkhead, tapering to a near point after about 4 1/2' to the end of the 8' length. Two on either side are 5" tall at the bulkhead, and will follow a pair of strakes forward, straight and parallel for the first 4 1/2 feet, and tapering upward and bowing slightly inward from there forward another 2 feet.

Then, on the way to Lowes to buy lumber and foam board, West Marine for a deck cover for the sump, and Harbor Freight, my truck made some very unhappy sounds while turning the steering wheel. After a quick retreat home, a duck under the truck to look, we made a detour to the auto parts store in gwpjr's truck to get a power steering return line (and fluid) to replace the rotted one that squirted what was left of the previous fluid on the driveway. We stopped at Harbor Freight and West on that trip since the auto parts store was on the same side of town. A half hour later, we were back on our intended mission.

Seems excessive to buy a 4x8x1 sheet of blue foam just for this, but we cut two pieces to line the bottom of the sump, and PL glued them to the hull. Following that, a 5" wide piece of 3/4" ply, beveled along the bottom, was glued flat to the bottom as a surface to take screws for the pump.

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After the PL cures, the inside of the sump will be filleted to the foam and the wood will be tabbed to the bottom, then the entire inside of the sump will get another layer of glass.

The sole above the sump will have the underside glassed as well. a 6" diameter hole will be made before glassing, and the glass will be wrapped over the edges for waterproofing. After the topside is glassed, the deck plate will be affixed and sealed.

I opted for a screw-in 6" plate, with a see-thru center. This appeals to me for two reasons -- it was $5 cheaper, and because I would be compulsively opening the cover to see if there was any water down there if I couldn't see in. :)
 

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Good looking forward progress going on over here, very nice...
Sorry to hear about the blown PS hose, but glad that it was a quick fix...
I have a question about the "sump"...
What is actually supposed to end up in there...is there any plumbing that goes in/thru there, Pumps???
Sorry, I am a total noob when it comes to a sump in a boat...:noidea:
 

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I have a question about the "sump"...
What is actually supposed to end up in there...is there any plumbing that goes in/thru there, Pumps???
Sorry, I am a total noob when it comes to a sump in a boat...:noidea:

Originally, both the sink and shower in the head drained into the sump, and the occupant was expected to remember to switch on the pump periodically to drain it.

In this rebuild, I first vowed not to do such a foolish thing, but then considered the repercussions of having a portable toilet in the head and no way to do a wash down, so a floor drain got put back in the plan. Whether anybody ever "showers" in there is another issue, but the head can be rinsed down if needed.

The sink however will direct drain through the hull like the galley sink does. That means the sump should remain dry except on those rare occasions when there is a wash down or a shower happening. For those times when water in the sump happens, there will be a small bilge pump in that chamber (that's what the wood bottom is for -- level mounting and a screw surface) with a float switch and manual override.

After yesterday's "sittin' and thinkin'" session, I think we've decided to build our own floor/shower pan rather than adapting a commercial one as I had initially been planning. The commercial one probably wouldn't have fit without alteration anyway.

This will allow us to accommodate the discharge hose from the pump through the sole in the corner of the head rather than drilling through the stringer and exposing another chamber to possible water infiltration. That will all become clearer (and backed up by pictures) when we get to that point.
 

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Thanks for the update GWPSR. Fords have that problem I had to replace the pressure side of Power Steering hose on my wife's mustang it was not fun:facepalm: But anyways now in the sump there will be a hose going up when water is pumped and the bilge hits air the water left in the line just comes back into the sump so you will always have some water sitting in the boat. what if you had a plastic tank made that is my biggest worry always have water sitting stagnet:puke:
 

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Thanks for the update GWPSR. Fords have that problem I had to replace the pressure side of Power Steering hose on my wife's mustang it was not fun:facepalm: But anyways now in the sump there will be a hose going up when water is pumped and the bilge hits air the water left in the line just comes back into the sump so you will always have some water sitting in the boat. what if you had a plastic tank made that is my biggest worry always have water sitting stagnet:puke:

This is the factory setup on mine, its just a plastic sump with pumpout

 

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Z: Interesting device. I like the strainer that keeps whatever gets dropped down the drain from fouling the pump. Something else to consider. Maybe I can fabricate something from PVC pipe and a couple of fittings. That way I could pull a threaded plug from one end and empty anything it collects.

Tbone: I'd likely shopvac out any standing water periodically anyway, but yeah, I figured the pump would always leave a half inch of water, plus whatever volume drains back from the discharge hose.

I doubt I'll be pouring much water down that floor drain very often, but I do like the idea of a sump 'tray' like that. Even better if it had featured a lid to reduce the chances of anything sloshing out.

Without a trap on the shower pan drain, anything funky in the sump will be shared with whoever is sitting in the head, so keeping it clean will be important. But, I got that clear deck plate so I could check on it compulsively all the time anyway, right?

Which just reminded me -- I need to research moisture/water sensors. I'd like to consider not only placing one in areas that will/may see water routinely so I can have a visual signal on a display, but maybe even in some of the sealed chambers for piece of mind.
 

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"I doubt I'll be pouring much water down that floor drain very often, but I do like the idea of a sump 'tray' like that. Even better if it had featured a lid to reduce the chances of anything sloshing out."

There is a carpeted lid that sits over the opening, if it overflows, it goes in the bilge under the salon floor where redundant pumps will remove it, the floor has an inspection hatch to access those pumps. Theres also a plugged drain hole by that hatch, to manually let water run to the engine room, for catastophic situations i assume...it all seems ok "if" the pumps/power is working...if not, theres always the life raft ;)
 

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Zools set up looks good, GWPSR just trying get everything done right the first time this way when I do It you have already solved all the problems:clap2:
 

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I'm going to post some red herrings and misinformation just to keep people from copying from my test paper. :)
 

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"I'm going to post some red herrings and misinformation just to keep people from copying from my test paper. :)"

hehe, you mean like that "new" method of drilling weep holes in the hull bottom for extra drainage? :rolleyes:
 
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And packing peanuts for flotation!
 

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"I'm going to post some red herrings and misinformation just to keep people from copying from my test paper. :)"

hehe, you mean like that "new" method of drilling weep holes in the hull bottom for extra drainage? :rolleyes:

LOL!!! :laugh:
 

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ahh come on please let me copy just this once:confused:
 

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And packing peanuts for flotation!

I actually had that thought lol. I had so much packing peanuts from my order at US Composites.

Needless to say, I decided to do it right and use expanding foam. :)
 

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I actually had that thought lol. I had so much packing peanuts from my order at US Composites.

Needless to say, I decided to do it right and use expanding foam. :)

And if somebody posts that they did that and it works great, I'll feel bad for throwing so many of them away. 6 boxes from USC for me so far means a LOT of peanuts. :)
 

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And if somebody posts that they did that and it works great, I'll feel bad for throwing so many of them away. 6 boxes from USC for me so far means a LOT of peanuts. :)
Don't beat yourself up........ Not an ideal flotation media:
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And cleanup/removal is not nearly the party you might think it'll be .....:faint2:

How do you spell F U N K Y ? :watermelon:
 
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