1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

ezmobee

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Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

I know you aren't going to get any money or satisfaction from them but I would definitely be going back to guys who sold you that Baja and giving them at least a small piece of your mind. I don't know how people sleep at night.
 

jasoutside

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I know you aren't going to get any money or satisfaction from them but I would definitely be going back to guys who sold you that Baja and giving them at least a small piece of your mind. I don't know how people sleep at night.

Yah, maybe. I guess I am at a spot where I should have pushed the issue at that time and had them at least run it. I also could have paid them to do a full engine assessment too. They probably would have looked at me like I was nuts since they were the ones that did the total rebuild. Ah well, I feel as though it was my responsibility to cover my basis, you know, simple due diligence on my part. I didn't do that so it's on me. I took them at their word, I know better than to do that. I know if I went back to them I'd just end up being frustrated and it's not worth my time.

I am past the shock phase, mad phase, sad phase, embarrassment phase, bewilderment phase, what do I do now phase.

I am now well into the figure out the best route from here phase.

Speaking of which, next post...
 

jasoutside

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Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

There may be damage to that oil pan after all! I don't think I did a very good job looking/feeling that oil pan earlier. I ran my hand along the port side of the pan and I could definitely feel something inconsistent there. I worked it a little and was actually able to peel a some paint flakes off. Yah, I think that it's pushed in a little!

I think I'll slide my camera down under there and see if I can snap a few photos.

I'll post up later.

Man wouldn't that be sweet if all I needed was a new oil pan! Wishful thinking I suppose.
 

jasoutside

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OK, here is what my camera sees underneath there...

A and B is where it's pushed in just a little, just enough to make the paint peal away. The space between A and C is a concave section that is supposed to be there (pretty sure). You can see where something on the inside has started to find it's way out right at C there. A and B have been there (rust) and C probably happened when I had started it up and ran the compression tests over the past couple of days.
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It's not pushed in that much so I'm afraid that probably isn't the only problem. Likely more than just the oil pan.

I did start to pull rigging off the motor and got all the mounting bolts out. I might be able lift her out tomorrow if I can find the time.
 

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Take that pan off!!! Its totally crushed in. That huge dent should not be there. That is your problem...

That should be nice a smooth across there. Looks like someone dropped it. You can see in the top photo (A) how its pushed out and creased. It looks like its pushed right in to the windage tray...

Google 4.3 oil pans and see for yourself...
 

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Alpheus

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Yes that indentation in the ebay pic is nice and flat. Im not talking about that. Look close you can see on yours, there is a spot that is pushed in. Its even creased in the front...
 

jasoutside

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Yes that indentation in the ebay pic is nice and flat. Im not talking about that. Look close you can see on yours, there is a spot that is pushed in. Its even creased in the front...

Yah, there is no doubt that it's pushed in at A and B. Gosh I'd be excited to only have to buy a new oil pan! We'll see if I can get that pan off tomorrow and have a better look.

Thanks for stopping by!
 

CheapboatKev

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Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Nice! Glad it may just be the pan!!

If you get the pan off, maybe you should pull the plugs and turn her by hand..
With the pan ON and it CLACKS..Pan off and no CLACK? Simple yes?:D
 

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My own personal experience says the pan. My inline sat in the boat for 4 years through all 4 seasons without being touched. The water gets in the boat...it freezes...and in case not everybody knew water expands when frozen, pushed the pan up on mine and the bolt on the connecting rod cap slapped the pan, sounded exactly like yours does now.

I would pull the pan...loosen the motor mounts and wiggle it out, or if there is enough room in what you have left of thumpers bilge, bang the dent back down, put the pan on, start motor, with the oil drained you will see inside where the rod cap bolt is hitting the pan.

If you then find the problem gone, spend money on a new pan, if not gone, then send to the mech to figure the rest out. Seeing the condition of the hull when you bought it. I would bet this is the problem.

I certainly would not spend any money till I tested this out, and I would not run the motor with the pan off cause that starves if for oil, and doesn't prove enough, you could still have a bad connecting rod bearing and with the pan off for the short time you would want to run it (none IMO) you couldn't be sure.

10mm socket and a ball peen hammer that's what it took to fix mine.

Good luck.



And just a little small world thing...My boat came from Saginaw, like 10 or 15 minutes from Midland.
 

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So this so called marine mechanic with recipts were not for this motor? Doen't seem like someone would pay to have their motor knock like that. Hope it turns out to be something really simple like maybe the oil pan got bumped in from moving it around and the crank is thumping the side.....

I'm still putting my money on that oil pan and nothing else. Chances are you only have ONE problem. It's always easy to speculate but until you start checking things off the list, it is only speculation. Get that oil pan taken care of, and you may be in hog heaven again, and not out much coin!!!
 

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Gimmie a hammer, I'll fix that darn thing:D
Hoping for the easy fix Jas. Let us know!
 

jasoutside

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Nice! Glad it may just be the pan!!

If you get the pan off, maybe you should pull the plugs and turn her by hand..
With the pan ON and it CLACKS..Pan off and no CLACK? Simple yes?:D

Well, like I mentioned up the way there I can turn by hand with one and feel the bottom of the oil pan being bumped out with the other. It's only being pushed out very little. But maybe that pan being pushed in like it is that might be all it takes.

Sooooo....

I'd be betting that once I pull that pan off there will be no thumping from the boat formerly known as "Thumper". I am nearly certain of that.

Now here is the question....

Was the knocking strictly from the oil pan being pushed in that little bit? Or, do I have something else going on inside with that rod? Is the rod coming down to far also????

Hopefully when I get that pan of and take a look at the rods under there we'll know, eh!

My own personal experience says the pan. My inline sat in the boat for 4 years through all 4 seasons without being touched. The water gets in the boat...it freezes...and in case not everybody knew water expands when frozen, pushed the pan up on mine and the bolt on the connecting rod cap slapped the pan, sounded exactly like yours does now.

I would pull the pan...loosen the motor mounts and wiggle it out, or if there is enough room in what you have left of thumpers bilge, bang the dent back down, put the pan on, start motor, with the oil drained you will see inside where the rod cap bolt is hitting the pan.

If you then find the problem gone, spend money on a new pan, if not gone, then send to the mech to figure the rest out. Seeing the condition of the hull when you bought it. I would bet this is the problem.

I certainly would not spend any money till I tested this out, and I would not run the motor with the pan off cause that starves if for oil, and doesn't prove enough, you could still have a bad connecting rod bearing and with the pan off for the short time you would want to run it (none IMO) you couldn't be sure.

10mm socket and a ball peen hammer that's what it took to fix mine.

Good luck.



And just a little small world thing...My boat came from Saginaw, like 10 or 15 minutes from Midland.

Actually windshield, this boat is from Saginaw too!

Hey, you make a great point that I didn't think about, water filling the bilge and pushing that up. Maybe that is what happened?? I have been rolling through things in my head of what might have happened to that pan but that one seems to be the best so far, buddy.

The previous owner threw a cheap $3 blue tarp over his beautiful Baja and , well that shredded. Water in the boat bilge, drain hole freezes up too, water collects, maybe all the way up to that pan, pushes it up?? Hmmm, maybe? But, if that was what happened than it seems like the lower sitting section of the pan would be crushed too?? I dunno?

I have been rolling through things in my head of what might have happened to that pan but that one seems to be the best so far man. Pretty reasonable theory for sure!

I'm still putting my money on that oil pan and nothing else. Chances are you only have ONE problem. It's always easy to speculate but until you start checking things off the list, it is only speculation. Get that oil pan taken care of, and you may be in hog heaven again, and not out much coin!!!

Gimmie a hammer, I'll fix that darn thing:D
Hoping for the easy fix Jas. Let us know!

I am with ya guys! If it's an oil pan only, wwwwooooooo baby, I'll be one happy dude!

Hoping for the best fellas! (reserved hope):D
 

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Jason trust me, that little bit of area represents a whole lot of noise by the contact. I betcha $10.00 once you remove the pan and beat it out you won't hear that noise.:D
Go to it Bro. I expect another video this afternoon with your big 'ol' smile :)
 

chrisp929

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Its been a few hours since you posted last and I'm hanging on a CLIFF over hear .. GAWD for petes sake man give us an update .. if your not working on that boat as i type this i swear i'm going to drive from upstate NY and come over there and slap you.
 

fshngho

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As Kev would say " The crowd gathers to pass out torches. They mumble amongst themselves the uncertainty of their actions. They become more violent as the unknowing continues, eagerly awaiting the news."

:eek::eek::eek::eek: :D

LOL I love that Kev character.:cool:
 

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Take that pan off!!! Its totally crushed in. That huge dent should not be there. That is your problem...

That should be nice a smooth across there. Looks like someone dropped it. You can see in the top photo (A) how its pushed out and creased. It looks like its pushed right in to the windage tray...

Google 4.3 oil pans and see for yourself...

Sounds likely, the noise does have a more tinny sound to it. The only way to know for sure is to pull off the pan and see if the crank's been rubbibg on the pan.

Those compression numbers will improve after running. The rings willl re-seat and you'll get better numbers. I squirted transmission fluid in my cylinders prior to starting it up. Trans fluid is equivalant to 10 weight, it lubes the rings up in case they stick.
 

jasoutside

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Hey guys! I got a lot done this morning! I am moving quick to get the kids ready for church so I'll post up later.

I will say that at the moment that Merc is hanging free and draining oil at the moment, eh!

Happy Sunday!
 

jasoutside

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Ok, I need to start pricing out an oil pan!

I have some pretty compelling evidence that says that's all I am buying!:D
 

chrisp929

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Sweet ... bang out the pan, reinstall, fill back with oil .. restart and lets see how it sounds ..
 
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