1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

[Teamster]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

I used silo unloader cable for the wiring in my boat,....

A farmer I know buys silo unloaders at auction cheap for parts in his when they break, However the cables usually don't get damaged so he had a spare set of those lying around,

Way heavier than needed and it was cheap!!,...

Maybe watch c-list or farm auctions in your area????

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Hey Titan, welcome to the Islander Rebuild!! Glad you are hear man I can't believe you read the whole thing, yikes! Well, having said that, you know where I've been and you know where I'm headed.

2) I also work on a tight budget most of the time and have really enjoyed watching someone do a quality job without dumping in tons of cash at every turn

You got it buddy, I'm trying my best to build a million dollar boat on just a few bux. We'll see this summer just how close I can get to that goal.

Maybe watch c-list or farm auctions in your area????

Well, that's good thinking there

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Video upload in progress...

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

OK, just yakkin about stern side and helm storage stuff, nothing fancy really...

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

(Interesting, iboats is now only allowing one video per post so here is the other one, dern hackers)

I'm feeling purdy good about this direction, eh

 

[jbcurt00]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Yep, Jas videos hogging the bandwidth again...

iBoat's forum crash pending as Islander Thread views skyrocket after videos are posted:facepalm:

 

[MichaelP]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Looks like a great plan. I really like how your incorporating the cooler. The batteries are in a excellent spot for counter balancing the captain.
When I get back to my project I'm leaning toward doing almost the same seat box arrangement. I'll be ditching the pedistals and raising the seat boxes under the seat for storage instead.
Good to see you plugging away!

 

[maddiedog]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

I have 16 rods, 20 reels, a 3 gallon bucket of lead, 5 plano tackle boxes and some other totes for stuff and it is never in the way. You will have more storage than I do! I like the set up. You could make a hole in the top back corner of your transom for the fuel line to the kicker. Put a nice rubber piece to finish it off. Then it will be totally out of the way. Great idea. Do you have a plan for the blower? Mine is screwed about where your shelf will be.

 

[jbcurt00]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Had to do some actual work today, so just watched the vids....

All that sounded good & well thought out: for the battery location, seat boxes, fish well/hatch & the bulkhead/cabin doors.

I'm sure that having the bulkhead structure removable for re-varnishing would be worthwhile, & I don't remember the time frame you mentioned (8,9-10 years down the road...that's close, correct??), I'm not sure I'd spend a lot of time, effort, and materials (even at bottom dollar, recycling old, busted, basically free stuff (ladder), bottom-feeder prices) for something I expect to do once every 7+ years, give or take. Esp since you also mentioned sealing them up w/ epoxy first, followed by varnish. And an extra helping of I don't think I would, if your planning to fit a door for the cabin area on those removable bulkhead panels, no matter how securely fastened. Even epoxy sealed wood can be susceptible to expansion & contraction with changes in humidity.

You mentioned Fir in the vids too, is that the recycled Fir from the bleachers? On the Bulkheads? Vertical tongue & groove, or better yet find someone w/ a molding/planer & run them into beadboard tongue & groove paneling, with a 4-6" wide face. That look, I'll really like. Old growth, honey colored from age, tight grained Fir is some of my favorite wood. Esp w/ some nice epoxy & varnish! Yep, I like that a LOT!

But this ^^^ is of course why you post it so far ahead of when you need to decide. Mix some of this, w/ some of that, add your thoughts & here we be w/ that motor in this Islander that fits you.....It's all good, & I look forward to seeing the removable panels if/when you go that way.

 

[Pmccraney]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Looking good - the plan is well thought out and I know it will be well-executed. I wouldn't worry about the battery weight if you end up having to store them high at the stern. Given that you have a 500+ lb engine block sitting low and in the middle, I doubt its little lead buddies are going to create any noticeable listing or tippiness. Just view it as as adding about 15 pounds to whoever is sitting in your jump seats. That said, I like your plan and think you have it figured out. Roll with it... The only down-side to it (as you mentioned) is having to buy a longer length of the heavier gauge conduit... But, there will be easy access for switching/charging/replacing, and your bus bars/fuses should be easier to access up there too.... Plus, as you mentioned, they will be "comfortable" in that location and therefore happy.... Got to keep the juice-makers happy...

The only question I had was putting the gas tank for the kicker that close to your engine. I know it will be separately vented, etc..., but maybe the experts can chime in on whether any fume build-up could be a problem in that area even if you run the vents for a couple of minutes before cranking, etc... Just a little safety thought...may not even matter.

Also, you may want to consider making the "tray" for the gas tank removable - just in case you need to check, tighten or adjust anything on the aft side of the engine - you don't want to be banging your head or contorting an arm trying to adjust a steering cable, changing on oil filter, etc...

And maybe install that tank shelf/tray AFTER you have wired your engine, because you are going to be running a lot of wires back there for the vent, the bilge, the trim senders, etc... If any of those wires will run through the area where the gas tank will be stored, they may need to be insulated in a sleeve, etc...

Hope I am not talking out of turn and that some of this is helpful....

I am glad you are still posting the vids... I enjoy following along....

Thanks,
Patrick

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Good to see you plugging away!

Thanks Michael, I just need to keep that forward motion - lil bit at a time eh.

Do you have a plan for the blower?

Yah, I believe I do. Two intake lines will be routed from midships all the way back into the doghouse. Two exhaust lines will be installed at the stern deck right above the engine there. I should have just enough room to route the lines and still have a fair amount of storage.

Old growth, honey colored from age, tight grained Fir is some of my favorite wood. Esp w/ some nice epoxy & varnish! Yep, I like that a LOT!

Yah, I do think that is a real nice look. I hope it works well for the overall scheme.

The only down-side to it (as you mentioned) is having to buy a longer length of the heavier gauge conduit... But, there will be easy access for switching/charging/replacing, and your bus bars/fuses should be easier to access up there too.... Plus, as you mentioned, they will be "comfortable" in that location and therefore happy.... Got to keep the juice-makers happy...

You know, I was thinking that I may be able to actually run straight up gunwale and then back to the engine with the wiring actually (vs. subdeck then back up to the helm). Don't know why I didn't think of that before but that should save me a bunch of footage.

Yah, I do like the placement up there. Access for charging, fairly easy running over to the helm, should be purdy good eh!

The only question I had was putting the gas tank for the kicker that close to your engine.

I'm kinda thinking that the 2 stroke fuel tank will share the same air space (so to speak) as the engine which will have dual blowers in there. I think I should be aok there.

And maybe install that tank shelf/tray AFTER you have wired your engine, because you are going to be running a lot of wires back there for the vent, the bilge, the trim senders, etc...

No doubt about that my friend! I'll do my best to have as much rigging complete as I can before I build any structure back there.

Thanks for swinging through broham!!

 

[rrumba]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

nice progress there JO. Like the battery placement as well. That's where i am going to be sticking mine at also to help with the weight, along with the gas tank.

 

[TitanTn]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

I think your current battery location decision is probably the best one. I know it sucks to buy that much cable as it's so expensive, but once you've swallowed that pill and got it over with, you'll be glad you did.

 

[ben2go]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Jason,if you have to make long cable runs from your batteries,you can always double the cables to the starter and other high amp loads items.I have don it on vehicles that had high torque starters with the batter relocated to the trunk.Works a treat.

 

[GT1000000]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

I know you are already scouring the Net looking for the Battery Cables you need, but if we could get a little info as to what Gauge and How Much of each color...might be able to gang up on this and find a half way decent price for ya...

I have a couple of local wire suppliers nearby and could get a less than retail price quote from them...yeah I know the shipping of this stuff can get up there, but hey, we can try...

Later,
Gus

 

[GA_Boater]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

I know you are already scouring the Net looking for the Battery Cables you need, but if we could get a little info as to what Gauge and How Much of each color...might be able to gang up on this and find a half way decent price for ya...

I have a couple of local wire suppliers nearby and could get a less than retail price quote from them...yeah I know the shipping of this stuff can get up there, but hey, we can try...

Later,
Gus

If it fits in one of the UPS flat rate boxes shipping isn't bad at all.

 

[talltx]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

OK Jason, I drew your seat boxes and 3 examples of 2 inch rad. corners for ya. I also included a drawing of the boxes and doghouse together in place. Enjoy. Nothing is to scale but I think it's close. Tell me what ya think. If anybody else wants to see them, just Google ..Google Sketchup and type ..markymapo in the search box. Don't laugh. I'm teaching myself how to use it. Lots of fun. Hey!!! Jas we missed ya tonight.

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

OK guys, thanks for keeping tabs on me!

So, I ran a quick measurement on my way out the door this morning. It looks like I'll need about 22' of batt cable from the engine routed up along the port side gunwale and back down to the batts. That measurement took into account just a little extra for flexibility too.

For helm seat boxes I used a highly sophisticated, expert, expensive, ultra nerd type software (training required) to develop the renditions of the structure.

So, just in case you are wondering...

talltx, your work can't hold a candle to my skills. I know, you don't have to say it

 

[jbcurt00]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Nice drawings TallTx, good work if your just learning program! We're trying to port everything to Google at work, Gmail & Docs. We have most definitely taken a big gulp of Google's Kool Aide. I may give Sketchup a try too....

I didn't look at iBoats wire page, but is wire included in their price match? W/ all the Great Lakes, there isn't anyone close that sells marine wire? Use them for the price match.....

Thanks for the recent videos, always good to see/hear how someone is thinking through the problem solving,

Good luck getting through today to the weekend, winter is back upon us here.......

 

[Teamster]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

If McMaster don't have it , You don't need it,.....lol

http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-electrical-wire/=g6rorc

 

[GT1000000]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

So, I ran a quick measurement on my way out the door this morning. It looks like I'll need about 22' of batt cable from the engine routed up along the port side gunwale and back down to the batts. That measurement took into account just a little extra for flexibility too.

Still have to get with my suppliers, but is that 22 feet times one= Red battery cable, OR is that 22 feet Times Two= 22Feet , RED and 22 Feet Black???

I am prolly going to price out the 2AWG stuff as opposed to the 4AWG stuff, but if you want I'll check on both, tho for that long of a run, especially the start wire, I would stick with the 2 AWG minimum, Maybe even go 1 AWG or 1/0AWG...

I am not a Marine Electrical Engineer, nor do I portray one on TV, so if someone with more knowledge has any input on what gauge Jas should use, I will be glad to get the respective prices...

Holler back...

I'll know sumthin by Monday/ Tuesday the latest...

Happy Friday...
Rain, Rain, Go away...Come again some other day...that I don't have any plans on the weekend...lol...