1974 Ebbtide Restoration - SPLASHED

[mercurymang]

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I ran down to HD and grabbed the longest blade they had. I then plunge cut as far down as possible. The next thing to do was to make the match cut from the underside. Not so easy. I tried the sawzall but there is limited space under there and the blade constantly was catching and getting bent. I thought about using the MulitMax but it would take forever to go through the plywood. I finally decided to use a 3/8 drill bit to go all the way around. This worked quite well and I could tell when I had hit the plunge cut as you could easily feel it give. Next I used the MultiMax to "connect the dots". This worked like a charm. After a few more cuts here and there and using a floor jack, I was able to pop the cap.
So although my goal was to have the cap off today, I have it ready to go. All I need is some spare hands and it's off. The bad part is that so far the transom is dry as the day it was installed. Oh well.
Next up. Foam Removal. Here's the pics of today's work.

 

[Woodonglass]

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Looks like a decapitated boat to me!!!! Nice Work! That's how to think outside of the Box!!!!

 

[mercurymang]

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So seeing that this transom is not completely rotted, I'm guessing that removal will be a little time consuming. I'm thing of different ways to get it out. I thought about using my plunge router but I'm starting to think that the skill saw may be the best way. Just cut the thing to pieces and get what left out with a chisel.
Anyone have any words of wisdom here?

 

[mercurymang]

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I'm starting to look at getting the fiberglass supplies and have a few questions.

First off, regarding fiberglass, it looks like the main reason to use 1708 is if you need to build up a surface. 1708 does not use as much resin as csm per unit of area but is more expensive and harder to work with. Can I do my entire build with csm and is there anywhere that I "should" use 1708"

Second. Regarding resin. Looking on UsComposites site, there are many types of poly resin available at differing prices. I'm thinking of going with the 435 Layup Resin (marine grade) at $125/5gal. Just curious though, is there any reason not to use the General purpose resin @$108/5gal?

 

[mercurymang]

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My BIL came over tonight along with him, my wife and daughter, I was able to remove the cap.

Now to get that front piece out (does it have a name?). If anyone else has removed one similar to this, maybe you could give me some pointers.

 

[mercurymang]

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I'm in the process of trying to remove the bow portion of the boat in the picture above. I'm starting to think that its glassed in on the bottom side. If that's the case, it seems that I would basically need to destroy it to get it out which presents somewhat of a problem. Has anyone else removed one of these before?

 

[jbcurt00]

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Take & post as many pix as you can of the bow, I've never taken 1 out, but might be easier to see the trees or forest w/out the trees & forest both in the way.......

Are there any hatches under the bow seats, I can see a bunch of green cushions that should probably be pulled for access too.......

Might have to open some of the flat areas that get covered by cushions (do a nice job making the cutouts & you might gain storage when you put it back together.

My guess is any flat glass surface that ended up DOWN on top of the deck got PB or adhesive of some sort to glue it down. Then any easy to access flat surfaces of the consoles & bow area in contact w/ the hull & deck were then tabbed & glassed over.............

 

[mercurymang]

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Here's a pic of the denlynn36's hull after he removed his. This is the closest I can find of how to get one out. To you point, it looks like he opened the seats and cut the bottom of the hatches out. You can still see it sitting on the hull in the picture. The part I'm not sure about is the flat part at the floor in between the windows. I have cut underneath it with the MultiMax but have been unable to break through. I'm going to do some more tinkering with it tomorrow and see what I can uncover. In the meantime, here's the pic.

 

[jbcurt00]

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As before, I think the pix I posted a ways back showed that the consoles & bow had been sort of hacked apart to get it out. Just about completely dismantled.....

 

[mercurymang]

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Ok, I went back and looked at your post and I see what you are saying now. So I assume I would need to re-fabricate the bow section?

 

[glnbnz]

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Back to your 1708 vs CSM question...this is just personal opinion but I found 1708 much better to work with than CSM. CSM has strands that detach from the fabric and get all over everywhere and everything.


Of course 1708 does cost more but as I understand it CSM should be used in combination with woven roving or CSM with 1708.

Personally if I ever do another project I will be using 1708 mostly.

Hope this helps.

 

[mercurymang]

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Yes, my understanding so far (it's changing daily as I keep learning) is that csm should be you first layer against a substrate. It should also be your last layer, especially if it is meant to be painted.

 

[jbcurt00]

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Ok, I went back and looked at your post and I see what you are saying now. So I assume I would need to re-fabricate the bow section?

I'm not sure yours is built the same as the pix I posted, but as carefully as you can, yes dismantled, probably from the top down. If you're careful & use well thought out cuts, you might be able to recycle some or all of the panels & pieces later. Or maybe not.

I suspect your boat was built in 3 pcs then assembled as necessary:

1st: Hull
2nd: bow consoles & seats (w/ a foot well0
3rd: the cap was put on.

 

[mercurymang]

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Ok, here's the obligatory hazard suit photo. I figured I would try it out and see if everything was working and mainly if my respirator was working. It's hard to tell as I can smell the resin but after about 15 minutes, I didn't have a cough or any other signs that I was breathing it in.

 

[jbcurt00]

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If you can smell resin, it's not working right. When you can smell resin, it's time for a filter change. Since it's new, perhaps tightening the straps snug would do it. Else the cartridges aren't the right ones...

 

[mercurymang]

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Ok. No it's not new, the straps are worn out but I can still pull them tight. I don't know, maybe I should just get a new mask.

 

[jbcurt00]

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if the straps still have stretch to them, try filters 1st

 

[mercurymang]

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I'm not sure yours is built the same as the pix I posted, but as carefully as you can, yes dismantled, probably from the top down. If you're careful & use well thought out cuts, you might be able to recycle some or all of the panels & pieces later. Or maybe not.

I suspect your boat was built in 3 pcs then assembled as necessary:

1st: Hull
2nd: bow consoles & seats (w/ a foot well0
3rd: the cap was put on.

Well I went out and did some cleaning up and then sat down to mull over the bow section. I guess I must admit I am somewhat intimidated by this part. I suppose that's the only way to go about it then. Cut it out as cleanly as possible and try to rebuild it as it is or with modifications. I have to get past this mentally because I did not even think this would be an issue.

Hey thanks for all you help so far JB.

 

[Woodonglass]

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Just remember this...It's fiberglass!!! What ever you cut out, or remove or even destroy...can be re-fabricated and made to look as good or better than new. We have ALL been there and KNOW the feelings you're feeling. But...After getting through it we realize that all the worrying was just a waste of time. Having said that, get the sawzall out, take a look at her, give it your best guess on how it should come apart and start cutting. Make adjustments as you go. Take pics and you'll have a reference when it's time to put her back together. By cutting open one section it might reveal the "Secret" to doing all the rest. We'll be there to help with the "Patch Up". We had one member cut his boat completly in half and extend her by about 3-4 feet and put her all back together again. He didn't have a clue how to get it all done when he started, but with the help of everyone it worked out great. I don't think your little bow section will be too much of an issue.

 

[mercurymang]

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Thanks for the words of encouragement Wood. Tomorrows out but Saturday I'm going to start peeling away the onion. I've been here before with other projects. I just have to get past the mental hurtle of something new and unexpected.