1963 16' Star Dust I believe

g0nef1sshn

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Why not just skip the piece on the hull side and make it just an L bracket there?

Then you wont have to worry about that part and should accomplish the same goal?
 

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Thanks for the input g0nef1sshn

I suppose there could be a better way to keep condensation water from running down under the floor. I plan to screw it down to the floor with 5200 or something like that in between. The plan is to use ss sheet metal screws for that part currently the floor is sealed with epoxy so I'll need to waterproof the screw penetrations.

The idea of the channel is to run any water to the bilge area The seal at the floor should prevent water from entering that way.

I'm still going over my options on this as I finish the brake. That'll be a little while since I plan to go down to the Snake tomorrow for another try at the steelhead there. Plan to be down there through Wednesday. It's warmer down there by 5 to 10 degrees at least by the Clarkston forecasts.
 

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The brake press is looking awesome.. Hope you make a vid showing how well it works..
 

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Thanks Decker

I don't have a video camera but I'll see what I can figure out. We don't have useful cell coverage here and my cell phone is a dumb Trac Phone so I'm not sure if the camera in it can do videos. I've been using an old (very old by today's standards) Olympus 4.1MP digital camera that I've carried around for many years now. It uses Smart Media memory if you can remember those. It has a great lens and I've taken pictures by moonlight without flash. The rest is not impressive.
 

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I've mounted the hydraulic fluid tank and pump along with the control valve. I had to make a handle for the control because it was missing. Then I went and spent some cash. So far I'm into this press around $100 for parts plus consumables. I may get this brake done for around $200 plus consumables, gas and lots of time. Hey it's winter, what else can I do except to go bank fishing for poor fishing so far. However last trip I did get 1 steelhead to keep.

I found enough hydraulic hoses to connect the components so that's done.

I've ordered pulleys for the pump and motor I plan to use. I have a 2 hp single phase motor that I plan to use. It is not mounted yet because I'm waiting for it pulley. If that doesn't work I'll change it to a 3 phase either 5 hp or 10 hp that I see lying around here. In this case I prefer a single phase motor because it's simpler to bring in the wires and the circuit breaker will cost less.

I used my smallest gear pump and hope it'll provide enough pressure. While I was at it I made provisions to mount a larger pump that I have just in case. I chose the smallest one because I don't want it to move the cylinders too quickly.

The tank I have was a little cruddy inside so I threw in some 1/4" nuts with acetone and shook it up good. Lots of rusty crud came out so now it's a lot cleaner. I learned this trick from the motor cycle crowd and it worked well for the decades old gas in the Honda 90 tanks. I have a hydraulic filter between the tank and the pump just in case.

Now I'm focused on the electrical. I'm planning to use some 1" PVC that I have lying around to bring over the wiring from the 3 phase panel. I plan to pull in all 3 phases but only use the120 volt or 240 volt single phase from it initially. In fact, I may just leave the motor at 120 volts and connect it through a single pole breaker. At least I'll have options later if the 2 hp motor isn't adequate for the pump. I have some #8 AWG wire that I plan to pull but probably will put in a smaller breaker for the motor protection. That way I'll be ready in case I need to use one of the 3 phase motors.

I'm not sure what kind of hydraulic fluid I should use but I have some for a fork lift available so I think it'll give it a try.

I have a Trail Blazer meeting in Seattle tomorrow evening so I'll be away from this project a few days. It's getting close to metal bending time and back to the boat. There's another distraction awaiting but it's only a day or two to make some sinkers with claws for the Snake River springers.

Here are some pictures.



The small tubing in the top is for a vent. The open Tee will get a clear piece of tubing connected down mid way for a sight window.



The filter is red and the pump has some green on it.



A view of the pump and filter from below.



Here is the control valve without the handle.



This picture shows the 1/4" cross I used to tie the cylinders together.



This picture shows the unit with the slots milled to mount the motor. I'll have considerable adjustment for pump and motor changes.



A view from the front.



A view from the rear.

That's the latest update.
 
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Decker83

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What is the thickest gauge of metal you think you can bend on this..
WOW!! only 100 bucks is awesome..:D
 

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Thanks for the replies.

I have some 13 gauge aluminum and the brake is 5' wide so I hope to be able to at least bend that much. Being open ended I'll be able to bend longer pieces in steps if needed.

By the way, I've returned from my trip to Seattle and got my golden trout lake on the list for biologist approval. Two more to go. On the way back I stopped at the Moses Lake HD and picked up some more material to complete the hydraulics and do the wiring plus a 4' long LED shop light to mount on it. I'm now up to $200 out of pocket. Hopefully that's all I'll need to get it up and running.

I need to get the hydraulics running in order to lift the cylinders to open it. I'll take some more pictures after doing the wiring and when opened up.

I measured the pump shaft that I thought was 1/2" and found it is actually 14mm. Now the 6" pulley I purchased is made for a 1/2" shaft so I have two choices. Either drill out the pulley to 14mm or disassemble the pump and turn down the shaft to 1/2". I'm leaning towards the former but I don't have a 14mm drill at this time. Maybe a reamer could work but that is a lot to ream out. Another possibility is to make up and use a boring bar on the lathe. I'll do something tomorrow after I sleep on it.
 

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What is the tonnage on it.. I would think that should power house through 13 ga aluminum.. Looks like with the right dies it would do 1/4" mild steel..
Very cool press..
 

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I'm not sure what the tonnage will be since I'm not sure how much pressure the pump will produce with the motor I'll use. My estimate is that the pump will turn at 1100 rpm. It is a gear pump and that is all I know at this point. I have at least 5 other pumps in my shop to choose from so if this one isn't adequate I can use another although that may require a larger motor. I calculated 45 tons at 2500 psi and am hoping for at least 1500 psi.

I realize that the width of the die will affect the amount of pressure needed to make the brake work properly. My bottom die is around 1" across. I wanted it as narrow as possible so I could bend shorter pieces but wide enough to do the needed work.

I'm not an engineer but the pressure needed could be calculated if one knew the force requirements for the material being bent. There are probably some tables to look this kind of information up. Meanwhile I'm flying by the seat of my pants. If it won't do the job then another pump and motor may be installed. There are some pumps at the farm that were powered by 480 volt electric motors in the 50 to 100 hp range. That's more than I want to deal with for this project.

One thing I'd like to know is: what does running a pump at lower rpm do to pressure? I can live with lower volume but I'd like to get the pressure as high as possible. I suppose the answer is related to the type of pump.
 

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Here's the hydraulics plan for those that might be interested. It may not be built exactly as planned but it is very close.

 

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I have a questions for the mods. I removed some duplicates from my photo bucket account and obviously some of the duplicates I removed were linked to some past images. Is there any way I can replace the images in past posts?
 

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jb, it looks like 4 pix are missing. 1 from pg.1, 1 from pg. 2, 1 from pg. 4 and 1 from pg. 5
 

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Just repost them in numbered order and I will cut and paste them where the pix links are broken.

Then clean up your topic and delete our discussion about it..

Even if you do it this tonight, I probably wont get to it until tomorrow aafternoon.
 

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Here are the pix:

Below for post #13

Below for post #24

Below for post #49

Below for post #65


Hopefully these will clean up the lost links.​

That brings up another question. What happens if my photo bucket account gets lost? Are all the pictures lost as well?
 
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Since Oct 2011 I have yet to see someone's PB acct get lost.

More often the pix get moved around in a PB acct and links become broken, like they did in your case.

Unfortunately, not even uploading them to the iboats server is loss proof.

I have access.to most of the pix I have uploaded to either place, so as long as I'm active here, the pix can be reposted if PB or iboats ever experience a loss.

They are both using computers/servers/drives for storage and stuff happens....
 

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Since Oct 2011 I have yet to see someone's PB acct get lost.

More often the pix get moved around in a PB acct and links become broken, like they did in your case.

(oldhaven's comment...This happens frequently, can render complete restoration threads pictureless and is very frustrating)

Unfortunately, not even uploading them to the iboats server is loss proof.

(oldhaven's comment...True, but less likely to happen and more likely to be recoverable.)

I don't want to hijack this but it is my opinion, FWIW as a newer user, that the iboats server seems to be a very good way to post pictures unless you take very good care of your PB account and plan to keep it for many years.

Back to StarTed's intriguing project.
 
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g0nef1sshn

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I take pictures with my phone then email them to myself and it gives me the option of large medium and small. I select small then download them from my email to my desktop and have a folder of all my pictures and upload them that way. It stinks when you go through an old build and the photobucket account is no longer good because the pictures are then lost.
 

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Lets get back to his topics and I apologize for the sidetrack.

Ron
 
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