Why are over 80% of Dock Chatters Republicans

jtexas

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Originally posted by 12Footer:<br /> instead of him seeking us (which will never happen).
Just ask Moses. or Jonah. Or Mary. Or James & John. Or Saul (AKA Paul).
 

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Spratt:<br /><br />It is very dishartening to see good people go to H*ll, (And there "IS" a H*ll) God knows how will come and who will not.<br /><br />People think that they can go to H*ll and hang with there buddies and party, they do not realize how terrible of a place it is. Eternal separation from God and anyone else, Nashing of teeth, constantly hearing the sounds of suffering, Forever and ever and ever, there is no end to it ever!!!<br /><br />On the otherhand, Heaven is an eternal life with the living god and family that has gone before you.<br /><br />Also people have an Idea of Heaven of being floating around in the air somewhere playing a harp or something, In fact, we will live in the New Jarusalem right here on this earth (eventually) after it is completly reformed.
 

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I like the part that says we shall be changed just like HE is...that dude wlaked right through walls, ate some food, disappeared in a POOF, and walked and talked, and still knew everything that He had known in this life...oh YEAH!!! What fun :D <br /><br />Where Heaven is gonna be I do not know, but all I know is that that is where I wanna be...the alternative is a really hot subject...and, SHEESH!!! it lasts a loooooooooong time!!!!<br /><br />Ya know, I would hate to think I would be spending all my eternity with the likes of Hitler, Mussolini, Clinton...just kidding, I really have no clue WHO will go there, but I will take great pains not to find out...
 

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you guys STILL at it?<br /><br />this post wouldn't have gone anywhere if you guys hadn't been wearing your *****'s on your sleeves.<br /><br />a troll can't get anywhere without trolling something up!! he sure dug y'all up good.<br /><br />i liked JL's post about religion, summed it up real good for me AND he stirred up the pot again....way to go JL! better hope nobody got hold of any of those voodoo dolls that washed up last week, you might be cursed by now.<br /><br />nobody's been able to turn this rant against or for xmas yet? there's not much time left to tie it all in....
 

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Hmmm...does someone have a problem with folks talking about thigns they wanna talk about??? Isn't the left just like that? Always wanting to control free speech :D <br /><br />And...what in the world is xmas?????
 

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Originally posted by woodrat:<br /> hey 12, why don't stick to subjects that you know something about? What goes on in my world is not one of them!
<br />I'll stick to what <br />I choose ,when I choose it, with no input from you.<br />
Originally posted by woodrat:<br /><br />My definition of "anarchy" is completely different from yours, and I already noted that that is just a theory. I spend exactly ZERO energy trying to over throw the state. Libertarian is the closest real-world party affiliation I have ever been able to find.
<br />No need to explain.Your definition is meaningless to me.<br />You are an anarchist, according to your posts. The fact that you admit it, just substantiates that fact.<br />As for my definition of Anarchy ,it would be identical to that given by Meriam Webster's dictionary. <br />(as follows):<br /><br />Main Entry:anarchy<br />Pronunciation:*a-n*r-k*, -*n*r-<br />Function:noun <br />Etymology:Medieval Latin anarchia, from Greek, from anarchos having no ruler, from an- + archos ruler more at ARCH-<br />Date:1539<br /><br />1 a : absence of government b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority c : a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government<br />2 a : absence or denial of any authority or established order b : absence of order : DISORDER *not manicured plots but a wild anarchy of nature Israel Shenker*<br />"<br /><br />For the life of me, I don't understand why you socialist, left wing, democrat,liberal,progressive,anachists cannot define what you are...Or when you do,try to change the definition of the word, or change what you call yourselves! It's really strange.<br />What I'm getting at--- we conservative, right wing, capitalist, "neo-con" (i like that one. It makes me feel warm and fuzzy all over), hawkish republicans know what we are, tell you what we are, and even pick up on some of the "in-vogue" labels the left hangs on us, to define ourselves with pride.<br />By Webster's and my definition of "anarchist",(that would be:<br />"1 : one who rebels against any authority, established order, or ruling power<br />2 : one who believes in, advocates, or promotes anarchism or anarchy; especially : one who uses violent means to overthrow the established order", you are the enemy..<br />Just as I originally thought way back when you took offense to that.{Remember the "friend of my enemy is my enemy" thread? cant seem to find it...musta got poofed).<br />
Originally posted by woodrat:<br />In theory anyway, I AM an anarchist. (ooo, THAT will get some interesting responses, I'll bet!) Of course, I know that that just won't work in the big picture, because too many people can't control their worst impulses, and the result would be dangerous and unpleasant chaos. <br />But responsible self-government at an individual level is a good place to start.
<br />Governing ones' self without a governemnt is chaos and anarchy, which describes Iraq right now, with it's present power-vacuum...In other words, ANARCHY. It will not stand as long as those of us who care, maintain our resolve. And we will see a soveriegn ,self-reliant Iraqi government, or we will be there fighting the "insurgents" for that end-objective.<br /><br />But by declaring yourself an anarchist, you desire not only that the United States fail in the war on Islamic terrorism, but you want to see America fall like Rome!!<br />Not only that, but you prefer the present instability to even the rule of a dictator like Sadamn the sandman Huesein! Why? because he would represent a form of government. Granted, A tyranical one, but hey ---you're an ararchist!<br /><br /><br />
Originally posted by woodrat:<br />If the pyramid of power more more tilted towards local control, that would be moving in the right direction as far as I'm concerned.
<br />Why is a self-proclaimed anarchist making such a statement? I am now confused, because I agree with that 100%. It happens to be WHY we havent packed our military bags and brought the brave back home!(that would be America).<br />
Originally posted by woodrat:<br />Get your GD republican justice department off of state's backs!
<br /><br />Off topic. And no,we wont. "{our} republican justice department" won in November. It will ride the "states' backs" like a redheaded stepchild on a sugar high!!! Like Sam Peckinpaw, riding that bomb.<br />Find a state, take all your comrads there, and SECEDE! Just stay away from Florida, because we still have a militia.<br /><br />
Originally posted by woodrat:<br /><br />i've noted this here time and again and no one will ever answer it. If the conservatives are really in favor of more local control, why the heck does their justice department spend so much time and money trying to overturn state initiatives that they don't agree with? I would say that its pretty clear eveidence that the repubs of today anyway, are very much about strong centralized government, and they have been growing it bigger and more powerful everyday, while being cheered on by all you "freedom" loving republicans.<br />
What this "prooves" to me is, the left will LITIGATE THIER GRANDMOTHERS, to remove freedoms.<br />I've seen it happen too many times. Examples would be;<br />Remove the rights of the unborn,<br />remove the rights to unbiased promotions in the werkplace.<br />remove all reference to Christianity through the courts.<br />suing the Boy Scouts, to remove "God" and allow girls.<br />want more?<br />Get off the states' backs indeed!<br /><br />
Originally posted by woodrat:<br /> And as far as the value of me bringing up the bad to temper the good, you outright dismissed that other post of mine as lies of the democrats. I don't remember you having EVER been in favor of giving the neocon agenda a "proctological exam".
Yes, you're correct. I allways dismiss BS in favor of facts. And as far as being in favor of giving the neo cons a P.E., why would I? I agree with that agenda, and try to promote the good and complain about what is bad.<br />History will look back on the likes of me some day. I want the generations to come, to know conservatives fought for what was moral and ethical, in the face of a global war on Islamic terrorists.<br />How will history look-upon the anarchists of today?
 

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YEEEEEHAW...git it on dude!!!!
 

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Well I for one didn't intend on really stirring things up with what I said. My only intention was to tell my story, .....apparently just the fact that someone doesn't hold any religious beliefs for or against the whole or one or the other is enough to get some people flaming. :( And I think those responses speak volumes without me adding more fuel to the fire. (especially since I guess I'll be burning in one for eternity :rolleyes: )<br /><br />And yes, theriver, after a little word investigation I guess I would categorize myself as agnostic rather than athiest if I had to label it.
 

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Johnson-Liner, this reply is personally for you, from me...please read it through.<br /><br />There was an Lieutenant in the US Navy that once called me into his office...he asked me if I thought that God was on his side...I honestly answered No SIR! He then asked meif I thought that the devil was on his side...I honestly answered Yes SIR! He slammed his big fists on the desk and said "I'll have you know I am an AGNOSTIC!!! What do you think of that?" I honestly answered, "Because the Bible says that if you are not FOR God you are AGAINST Him...there IS NO middle of the road." He then banished me from his office and yelled that I was to NEVER come in there again...I did not remind him that he asked me in to begin with...<br /><br />JL, I believe came on too strong with my reply and for that I want to publicly apologize, so that every person who ever reads this thread on DC will know that I have done so. I do not apologize for the line of thought that I brought forth. I should never have made any reference to your family or upbringing, it was totally out of place and out of line for me to do so. I can only plead stupidity, and will admit that when I read your post I became incensed and made a rash reply, before taking time to think. Sometimes I put my size 9.5's into my size 30 mouth before engagint eh gears...with all that extras space, I still let things slip around the size 9.5...however, with all that said, I will never back down from my faith, nor what I believe the Bible teaches. We all have our choice, and God doesn't deal with us all in teh same way. I was at teh bottom of teh pool when He reached down to rescue me. I owe the Lord my very life, and He has come through for me in every instance of my life when I needed Him. For that I give Him my life even when I am not in need of anything, and will always try to tell others how good God was to me when I was in teh miry clay, and how He lifted me out with His love. I wish that EVERYONE could get to a point in their life where they realized that they really need God. Too many never really feel the NEED to find salvation, and therefore never give the Bible a chance to be proven out in their life. Then there are those like myself, who have nothing else to turn to once they have ruined their life completely all by their self...where do they turn then? I believe God watches and when that happens, He makes an opportunity for them to reach up to Him, as He is reaching down...pity the man or woman who does not reach.
 

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I thought an anarchist is an extreme RIGHT wing nut job?<br /><br />A leftist is one who wants the government to control how much toilet paper they can use.<br /><br />Am I right?<br /><br /><br />Ken
 

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Definitions of ANARCHIST on the Web:<br /><br />Another name for a member of the Revolutionary League. <br />www.gamejag.com/planescape/general/cants.html<br /><br /><br />person who seeks to abolish government and base society on voluntary cooperation <br />www.ourheritage.net/Great_Adventures/Waterways_of_Russia/Glossary.html<br /><br /><br />Anarchists advocate the overthrow of organized government. They sometimes see cooperatives and voluntary associations of individuals and groups as the best way to organize society. Anarchists called the protest meeting at Haymarket Square in Chicago in 1886, and anarchists shot the manager of the Carnegie Steel Company during the Homestead strike in 1892. <br />occawlonline.pearsoned.com/bookbind/pubbooks/garraty_awl/chapter0/medialib/glossary_ad.html<br /><br /><br />person who opposes organized government <br />www.ic.sunysb.edu/Stu/mmunzer/glossary.html<br /><br /><br />an advocate of anarchism <br />www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn<br /><br /><br />Definitions of leftist on the Web:<br /><br />collectivist: a person who belongs to the political left <br />www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn<br /><br /><br />believing in or supporting tenets of the political left <br />www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn
 

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I generally take "right wing" to mean "less government" and "anarchy" to mean "no government." <br /><br />But seems like extreme ring wingers in the U.S. nowadays want more government involvement in some issues, such as certain medical procedures, certain domestic contracts between individual citizens, and more spending of borrowed funds, while left wingers want less.<br /><br />Don't it sound sometimes like some a these guys believe in the infallability (literally, incapable of doing the wrong thing or making a bad decision) of President Bush? I mean, do his poots stink or don't they?
 

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Originally posted by kenimpzoom:<br /> I thought an anarchist is an extreme RIGHT wing nut job?<br /><br />A leftist is one who wants the government to control how much toilet paper they can use.<br /><br />Am I right?<br /><br /><br />Ken
The only thing right wing nut jobs have in common with anarchists , is the desire to get government off the backs of the people. Where we differ, is that us nut jobs require order,and lots of it. We must have recourse to the law,which is impossible in a lawless society.<br />I think you're pretty much dead-on about the toliet paper, but I'll let them opine on that one.<br /><br />
Originally posted by jtexas:<br /> <br />But seems like extreme ring wingers in the U.S. nowadays want more government involvement in some issues, such as certain medical procedures, certain domestic contracts between individual citizens, and more spending of borrowed funds, while left wingers want less.<br /><br />Don't it sound sometimes like some a these guys believe in the infallability (literally, incapable of doing the wrong thing or making a bad decision) of President Bush? I mean, do his poots stink or don't they?
No, many of us have noticed this, and what you claim is fact...all of it. BUT (you knew that "BUT" was commin,didn't ya)---<br />But, to half-fight any war is to capitulate. Bush has spent more on welfare than Clinton has,BUT only because it had to be done (in his mind, not mine). I stick-up for many things, but free medical and med carte for ilegal immigrants is a bit MUCH.<br />No, we do not march in lock-step, outside of the war on Islamic terror that we currently fight.<br />Commit the nation's military and fund it to the bone, (oh,my broken backbone)---but finish it victoriously. Don't let "public opinion" as taught by the left-wing press, sway us from the objectives.
 

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Originally posted by jtexas:<br /> I generally take "right wing" to mean "less government" and "anarchy" to mean "no government."
<br />Said it better than I did, Ken.
 

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I got my definitions from jibjab! :D <br /><br />"From the right wing nut jobs, to the liberal weenies, this land will surely vote for me!"<br /><br />I think jtexas has a point, Bush would certainly lean right, but he has enacted a lot of legislation. Most of it is required due to the war and possible abuse of innocent vicims. However, I think you will find that the new laws will not effect 99.9% of the population.<br /><br />We often times, we dont follow the strick definitions of each label.<br /><br /><br />Ken
 

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We may all be reading way more into the original question, and three pages of dialog does have many, many sub-parts active.<br />Another board question asked the age of the members, and it seemed the majority were 45-49, or 40-45 "ish".<br />Churchill's quote, posted earlier in this chain, reminds us of the fact that generally, the younger are the more liberal, and the older the more conservative. ( I think taxes may have more to do with it than Churchill could have ever thought. )<br />The board leans toward the conservative side because of age, income, obligations, i.e., basic demographics. It has enough of each leaning to remain interesting, yet overall polite. <br />Even if the moderaters took a few weeks off, I highly doubt the absence would have this chat turn into a free for all of insults, swear words and/or degragations.<br />I am reminded of a somewhat famous mistake I learned of at a lecture I attended on "knowing one's audience." <br />The Republican party of 1932 predicted a landslide victory (internally) because all of their polling data predicted it. Noone questioned how the data was obtained until after the landslide went the way of Roosevelt. This was the very deepest year(s) of the great depression, and they got their data by calling on the phone..........Those that still had them.....<br />You guys are great!<br />Know your audience!
 

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Gee 12, I thought Iraq HAD a government, now you tell me it doesn't.<br /><br />You don't know jack about me, or socialists and anarchists evidently, or you wouldn't lump them together. They're not the same at all.<br /><br />You have nicely revealed that at least in your world, conservative does NOT mean smaller, less intrusive government, or states rights. I already knew this, but its nice to see you declare it so proudly: Strong central government, meddling in local affairs wherever the bible is not followed as law. You try and throw in the "get the govt off the people's backs" thing, but then shoot it down in the same sentence "requiring lots of order" presumably to be laid down by the big daddy central government. But only as long as your particular Big Daddy is in power. When some democratic big daddy is in power, then you guys are all about states rights and small government. Ho Hum. I mean, how boring is that kind of bland partisan double standard?<br /><br />BTW 12, none of the examples of states rights issues had anything at all to do with states rights. They were lawsuits brought by individuals or groups. Nice try, but totally unrelated.<br /><br />and as far as sticking to subjects you know something about, I'm talking about where you continually put words in my mouth that were never there. But hey, that's the hazards of debating in an open forum like this. carry on! <br /><br /><br />For the record though:<br /><br />I do NOT advocate the overthrow of the government.<br />I do NOT think that humans in general are ready for self government, let alone anarchy.<br />I do NOT wish for the US to be defeated in iraq, but <br />I did NOT think we were right to go there in the first place, either.<br />I DO think that the federal government should stick to the duties enumerated for it in the constitution, and stop inventing new tasks for itself.<br />I DO think that giving any party's agenda a "proctological exam" should be done on a regular basis, and that is a duty of people who claim to be self governing. It separates the intellectually honest and the actual participants in self government from the followers.<br />I DO think that the administration in power has a much larger scheme in mind that they have NOT shared with we the people, and if they DID share it, even some of their most avid supporters might not be so keen on it. I think it involves rapidly and continually increasing the scope and power of the central government, using the ongoing and ill-defined war as an excuse.<br /><br />Spratt:<br />SOME anarchists advocate the overthrow of the government. Many do not. personally, I think this corrupt overly bloated hypocritcial lying sack of dung that our government has become - under BOTH parties control - is destined to collapse under its own weight someday, without any help from the anarchists. Just like Rome, or any other aging, crumbling empire. There's never been one throughout history that did not. That doesn't make me an america hater so much as a student of history. I wish for the whole world to be moving more in the direction of local government, control, decision making and even food production. And so therefore i am opposed to stuff like GATT, NAFTA, and empire of any brand or variety. Because those thing are all dependent on crushing local control.<br /><br />I'm starting to think that this thread might be a good candiate for the "troll of the year" contest after all. I am amazed! As much fun as it is though, getting yelled at by 12 every day, this will be my last post to THIS thread anyway.
 

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Originally posted by woodrat:<br /> I DO think that the administration in power has a much larger scheme in mind that they have NOT shared with we the people, and if they DID share it, even some of their most avid supporters might not be so keen on it. I think it involves rapidly and continually increasing the scope and power of the central government, using the ongoing and ill-defined war as an excuse.<br />
This is where you and many other differ. You and liberals (I am not calling you a liberal) always believe that republicans have some sinister reason for the laws they enact.<br /><br />Is it so sinister to try to prevent abortions?<br />Is it so sinister to prevent gays from marrying?<br />Is it so sinister to protect the USA from terrorisim?<br />Is it so sinister to try to jump start the economy?<br /><br />Ken
 
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