Walmart's at it again....

pjc

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quote Limited: "If going "tobacco free" generates additional savings then the company has the right to implement the policy. How ever I can see allowing "Smoking Employees" the option of paying the difference in the medical cost rather than forfeiting their employment."<br /><br />Same policy for the fatso's as well I would imagine. Ban cake, dough nuts, bon bons, and so forth. And the nasty caffeine addicts.... :D
 

RubberFrog

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...and the crack heads too! Maybe they could have a little table in the back where all the crack heads hang out on break to discuss their lousy insurance.
 

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Originally posted by pjc:<br /> quote Limited: "If going "tobacco free" generates additional savings then the company has the right to implement the policy. How ever I can see allowing "Smoking Employees" the option of paying the difference in the medical cost rather than forfeiting their employment."<br /><br />Same policy for the fatso's as well I would imagine. Ban cake, dough nuts, bon bons, and so forth. And the nasty caffeine addicts.... :D
Point well made.....but if I go on a diet can I keep my job??
 

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jtexas - yeah, I thougth the Knuckles thing might be contrived, too. But, I look it up in Switchboard and lo and behold there are 41 Knuckles listed in West By God Virginia. :D
 

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I intended that the WalMart Corporation, not all corporations, could be viewed as a Socialist State. That is that the People in charge push for productivity, while the workers recieve little in return. With one very different exception, In a true Socialist State, the State provides for the good of the masses, albeit very poorly. In WalMart, the "state", provides for the very highest employees, while letting the masses of the general taxpaying public provide for the healthcare and other public assistance of the ones making the machine run.
 

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Skinnywater, do you PREFER that healthcare etc. be subsidized by taxes rather than built in to the cost of retail?? Isn't THAT Socialism?? Your post was completely contradictory, no offence, and the idea that employees would have little or nothing to do for work if it weren't for Walmart is absurd. Walmart displaces business wherever it goes. Those people weren't lying around swatting flies all day before Walmart came to town, they had real jobs.<br /><br />I don't shop there either, I buy locally whenever I can really. Walmart and the like are simply sucking the cash out of society and putting it into the hands of the few. Gotta have that junk though!
 

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CalicoKid, some of the one's that I have seen at the WW around here was prolly doing just that before they got the job at WW.<br /><br />I have seen some with Oxygen tank hanging on their side so they can breath, one in a wheelchair, etc.<br />Not people that could get a job at the average place, not that they can't do the job, just business won't hire them.<br /><br />Another thing is why can't the K-Marts, etc. compete with WW?<br />Because they don't want to slash their prices to meet WW's prices.<br />It's called business and all that matters is the bottom line just like any business.
 

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Originally posted by SBN:<br /> <br /><br />I have seen some with Oxygen tank hanging on their side so they can breath, one in a wheelchair, etc.<br />Not people that could get a job at the average place, not that they can't do the job, just business won't hire them.
Bad form. My wife uses a wheel chair. She also has a PhD and makes plenty of money. That statement was about as bad as asserting that "black people" can't get hired. I'm sure you didn't intend it to sound like that. Let's not judge people based off of stereotypes.
 

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Nope RF, just stating a general rule of thumb that WW does give "all" people the chance to work.
 

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The premise that the extra cost of representation and or voluntary health benefits would be passed on to the customers is valid, if not oversimplified. Wal-Mart would not be able to pass on the entire cost of such as you are proposing. Not and remain competitive. We have Wal-Mart, Kmart, Target, and Meijer in Traverse City. Meijer is a regional state discount marketer. Wal-Mart is generally less expensive on the exact same item than the three competitors, however a lot of the time by just pennies. Kmart is generally the highest, sometimes by dollars. My point is, Wal-Mart is raking in massive profits and claiming that their low prices demand the poor treatment of their employees to remain profitable. Meijer has numerous (I can't count all of the people I know personally on both hands) employees that have been with the company in lower level jobs for more than 10 years. Most of these people ARE the head of household, so their income level is important and they need/have benefits. When I worked at Target in the early 90's they provided typical healthcare to ALL employees regardless of their status as full/part-time. The part-timers paid slightly more than the full-timers, but they still had benefits available. And if I remember right my portion of the cost was $13.00/wk for just me. Not bad for the coverage they provided.<br />So Wal-Mart could provide insurance to their employees and still have low prices, it's just greed that prevents them from doing so. Oh, and Meijer has various unions representing different groups of their employees too. And Meijer is closest in price to Wal-Mart of any of the competitor. Wal-Mart’s prices typically end in .88 or .98, and Meijer's typically end in .94 or .99, so you see it's just pennies. Facts guys, Wal-Mart’s actions is driven by greed. Profit is not a dirty word, but greed is.<br /><br />And Skinnywater, that propaganda spiel reeks of right-wing Republican canned rhetoric, and it's disgusting. 20/20 is sadly all true right when they said, "Money talks and the government will side with corporate way before they'll side with Joe Blow off the street." I thought you right-wing extremists thought government should get out of your lives and leave big business to run itself. Well when your employer says you can't smoke anymore, or next will be you can't enjoy libations, isn’t that just like the government butting into your life? Forget about the premise that the insurance to cover the smoking related diseases or the cirrhosis of the liver costs too much. This is big brother dictating to you what you can and can’t do, just big bro isn’t the government anymore, it’s corporate America flexing the muscles the current administration gave them to walk all over the citizenry of the country. Government is supposed to exist for the well being of ALL[/] the citizens, not just the wealthy and privileged. I hope you all like living in the corporate utopia you support where you have no rights except those the benevolent corporations so graciously allow you to have, the ones that benefit them.
 

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Originally posted by SBN:<br /> ...just stating a general rule of thumb that WW does give "all" people the chance to work.
I agree with you, and I have to give them credit for that.
 

CalicoKid

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It's good to see those spinner blades again :)
 

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Thanks CalicoKid, feels pretty good to be able to spin them.
 

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Skinnywater, do you PREFER that healthcare etc. be subsidized by taxes rather than built in to the cost of retail?? Isn't THAT Socialism?? Your post was completely contradictory, no offence, and the idea that employees would have little or nothing to do for work if it weren't for Walmart is absurd. Walmart displaces business wherever it goes. Those people weren't lying around swatting flies all day before Walmart came to town, they had real jobs.
Absolutely not! I'm just stating a fact.<br />Everone has the idea that healthcare or other benefit packages are free or not subsidized. They are paid by the consumer one way or the other.<br /> And those jobs that Walmart displaced were not high wage/benefit jobs either.<br />That was totally my point. It's all same/same. Subsidize benefits at the register or through taxes. Subsidize Walmart employees or mom/pop employees, same/same. <br />However, the additional point was made that union representation historically results in astronomical costs to the consumer, a general decline in productivity and ultimately huge losses of jobs for everyone.<br />
And Skinnywater, that propaganda spiel reeks of right-wing Republican canned rhetoric, and it's disgusting.
You hardly pay attention David. It's only by extreme coincidence that my spiel ever resembles "Republican rhetoric".<br /><br />(edited for spelling only)
 

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Originally posted by Limited-Time:<br />If what the employee does on their own time effects the company’s financial standings then I say yes. We introduced a "Drug Free" policy, which included pre-employment and random drug testing. This reduced the companies medical insurance cost. The savings more than paid (by 4 times) for the drug testing. If going "tobacco free" generates additional savings then the company has the right to implement the policy. How ever I can see allowing "Smoking Employees" the option of paying the difference in the medical cost rather than forfeiting their employment.
1st I do agree if you do high risk things then yes go into a higher rate for health care. But this is not the issue that I was talking about. Freedom to live our lives without a corporation being the law of our personal life/time.<br /> <br />2nd you are comparing illegal activity to legal activity. The last I knew drugs are illegal and smoking is legal. What right{or how much right} does a company have over a persons time while they are not on the clock? Like I said think outside of the health issue, the company is dictating to folks about how to live their life{legal activity}. Once again how much power should a corporation have over the public? Should they be allowed to make law or should they be made to stay within the job?
 

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Originally posted by SBN:<br /> Nope RF, just stating a general rule of thumb that WW does give "all" people the chance to work.
SBN, sorry but I have to totally disagree with this statement. On another post I made the statement of "be carefull of the wolf in sheeps clothing." What WalCrap does in the public eye is not what they do behind closed doors. I have seen how they treat folks with disablities 1st hand in the warehouse and the back store room. What they throw out to the public is that they are the most careing loving company ever but in reality money talks bull sh** walks.
 

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20/20, just know what I've seen. Greeters with O2 on and people in wheelchairs passing out salespapers. No one made them go to work there. Beats sitting at home doing nothing I reckon.<br /><br />As far as the money talks statement, that's how it is with any business.<br />That's what it is all about, the almighty dollar.
 

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Originally posted by 20/20:<br />
What they throw out to the public is that they are the most careing loving company ever but in reality money talks bull sh** walks.
Can you give an example of what they do behind closed doors?
 

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Originally posted by SBN:<br /> 20/20, just know what I've seen. Greeters with O2 on and people in wheelchairs passing out salespapers. No one made them go to work there. Beats sitting at home doing nothing I reckon.
you are correct, but you also proved what I was saying. They "use" these folks at the front door where everyone can see. I also told of how I worked for them for over 5 yrs. in a warehouse and know 1st hand how they treated the folks that aren't greeters or in the front line{so to speak}. I am not talking trash and I don't want to get into a personal thing here{just trying to shed some light}. You don't have to believe me, all I am saying is watch out for the guy{corp} that gives the biggest line of bull. Usually this means they have the most bull.<br /><br />
As far as the money talks statement, that's how it is with any business.<br />That's what it is all about, the almighty dollar.
correct again, but should corporations have so much power, and is dishonesty something that America prides itself on? Maybe I am stuck in yesteryear{been told so}, but are we going to keep trading life for corporate crap? Also is the new God of the world green?<br /> <br />SBN, thanks for your post and I hope I didn't sound harsh towards you with my reply. I just get alittle upset when folks try to say how great something is when all they have seen is the cover. kind of like buying a beautifull car without an engine. Sometimes the picture painted is way better then the artist.
 

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Originally posted by RubberFrog:<br />Can you give an example of what they do behind closed doors?
This is a fair question, I can tell you many things in person. I am alittle weiry{sp} of getting to personal over the internet. I will tell you 1 of many things that I have witnessed, but it will be somewhat blunt.<br /> <br />There was a person that had many yrs in the same warehouse as myself. This person had a life threatening disease and wanted to use some vacation time to set things striaght before their time came. At 1st it was no problem then bang, the person was fired, the person did die a short time after. But they never wanted to quit or leave the job until the last possible minute. Of course there is more to the story but I hope I have told enough so you can see my point. There were other cases where folks were canned because of illness injury etc...Of course they would never use the injury as grounds for being sh** canned but these types of companys have power and do know how to beat around the bush. there were/are threats against decent folks all the time and many many head games. Like I said I am not going to go into detail and you don't have to believe me. I know the truth and am just trying to get a message out of be very carefull of how much BS you see as being so great happy and perfect.
 
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