thieves took wifes pocketbook

[LippCJ7]

Re: thieves took wifes pocketbook

Thanks for the advice. After 6 break ins all of which where when I was at home I know security system signs and motion lights do very little to stop the desperate thieves, And the police reports and little cards the cops give you with their name on it etc etc have never protected me for a second and if I catch a thief in the act I DONT PLAN TO ALLOW HIM TO LEAVE ,,His decision on what happens I guess. It was funny when my wife said "well they could have stolen your boat"....If that would have happened this post wouldn't be here because I would be in state of mind where I wouldn't be able to type.

Well the simple fact is that Cops cannot stop crime when their average response time is 5 minutes from the time the phone call comes in, I see no reason why we shouldn't do our part to make sure the criminal is held until the police show up. Just seems to be prudent of us as good citizens to do our part. Might even be a good idea to acquire a decent set of handcuffs to make your life easier...........I have two pairs......but I have yet to use them for their INTENDED purposes!

 

[Vanover]

Re: thieves took wifes pocketbook

The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights.

All you need to know, and the pursuit of happiness.


That all men are by nature equally free and independent, and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.


If it makes you happy, someone wants to take it, defend it. Just like the freedom that let's all of us talk on here. What do we do in the US? Stop people from taking our happiness.

Your pocketbook is no exception, bear your arms, defend your property, and pursue and get your happiness. However you do this is situational.

In some countries they take the hands of thieves, in my country we take their lives if need be.

Some may disagree, some choose not to be victims anymore, to each his or her own.

 

[Vanover]

Re: thieves took wifes pocketbook

Let the debates begin.

 

[sasto]

Re: thieves took wifes pocketbook

One thief that didn't get away! Come in my yard and steal from me and see what you get!

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[avenger79]

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The pocketbook was a gift.My son and I got it for her for xmas. They also took her key flob. Now I fear them coming back and going into her car anytime they want. I have a motion detector on the car now and figure if they plan to use the flob they wont wait long. Until then Im ready for whatever happens. I have 2 shotguns loaded near the door and the silent alarm beside my bed. This isnt the first time thieves have stolen from me and got away with it and even though I wouldnt shoot them for trying to steal I WILL if they threaten me ....this is a garantee

Fairlane this is very inexpensive insurance, take the car to the dealer and have the locks reprogrammed with the remaining key fob. then the stolen one will not work.

 

[Gary H NC]

Re: thieves took wifes pocketbook

Do what you gotta do Fairlane!

The car break ins and home invasions are way up around Charlotte.
We have about 10 different gangs running around the city,drug cartels,and the common crack heads..The Hispanic population has brought much of this.
These cops around here are pretty much clueless...

I am out in Union county but i'm still locked and loaded.
This used to be so rural we never thought to lock the cars or anything...

 

[Gary H NC]

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...heh, heh....good one. I'll give you a hand....when I stop laughing at the notion of the guy kicking and screaming with you laughing under your breath while pulling him through a doorway by one leg.
Regardless, good on you for standing your ground Gary and standing up for family and home.
My two bits.
BP

Thanks BP....
I doubt he would still be kicking at that point...

 

[thefairlaneman]

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The cops around here ARE a joke..Once when I got the tag number of the car after I caught a mexican looking guy leaving with my gasoline can the cops told me the car was stolen and therefore they couldnt identify the thief and that ended the case......I found out from a friend who checked the official cop computer that NO the car hadnt been reported stolen and the cop lied to me.He evidently didnt have time for my case and this is one of the ways the cops can avoid having to deal with your complaint. I did call the cop back up and tell him I had "CHECKED" and knew he lied to me and that I would take care of it myself without any friggin help from him....Another time after a kid my son knew broke into my house I saw the car and quickly learned the name of the guy who had the car and that he had been charged with other crimes. I called the investigator back with this new information to help them catch the thief and the cop wouldnt talk to me me. He said he was busy and would call me back...Never did and I had information to solve the case too. Thats how the cops operate around here.

 

[Nandy]

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I would not kill a person to defend my property but no doubt I will to defend my family. Here my plan is that if I ever think there is someone in the house the lady of the house will move the kids into the master room while I cover the stairs then I will lock the master room door and call the police. They can have it all, but if they happen to show up their faces at the stairs while the kids are being moved or try to go thru that master door my sks will bark...

And since we are into bashing cmpd, let me tell you my story, not even 2 month old. I hired a guy to do a work in my blazer in my garage. The guy left some of his tools so I loaned him some. Then he needed money to get something. now here is where I go dumb and I pay him the $50 for the job. I have to leave and when I get back the kids told me the guys left to the tool store and have not come back. He never did. He nor his lady will return my calls and he emailed me the next day with a sorry excused and the promise to return with the money. Of course I did not believe it and filled a report. The $50 is a civil case so the police cant do much but he tools he took is a criminal larceny charge. I had to wait 3 days before being able to call the police in charge of my investigation, she returned my call (after I called her many times) about a week after to tell me that I needed to file a request warrant for the guy (or something like that) because it was a misdemeanor and there was nothing they can do with the guys phone number and email. Im like cant you guys do a trace on the phone number? I know it is his house number. Nope!!! She says that if I find the guys full name and address she might be able to do something... CMPD, What a waste of my tax money... I did my own internet look up for the number and I got a name and address of a lady. Im planning to pay them a very discreet visit next week to see if I got the address right...

 

[Gary H NC]

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Agree Fairlane! They only know how to write tickets!
Half of the Charlotte PD are a bunch of kids anyway....

Here where i'm at all we have are the Union county deputies....
About 3 miles from CMPD jurisdiction.

 

[BeaufortTJustice]

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I am going to research this because this is a contradiction to a persons right to citizens arrest, the way I see it the police have the right to shoot if they are in fear or to avoid flight as tested to the SCOTUS and therefore this should also be extended to civilians as well. You don't see Officers giving a person they intend to arrest at gunpoint an out EVER.

State statute provides for which crimes a person can make a citizen's arrest. In some states, it is purely for felonies, other states include other offenses, such a larceny or trespassing that can be less than felonies. Check your own state laws to see what is a legal citizens arrest. Also I'll point out that whether a police officer or civilian, you cannot point a gun at every person you intend to arrest. You must be able to articulate that you had some reason to believe that the suspect is armed...you don't have to see a gun to satisfy this, but it is something more than "he was committing a crime." Furtive movements, bulging pocket, refusal to obey lawful commands, limited ability to see suspect's hands, seriousness of the offense or violent offense are all valid reasons. Police can only shoot at a fleeing suspect if they 1) have probable cause to believe the suspect just committed a violent crime and have caused great bodily injury or death, and 2) they have reason to believe that the suspect, if allowed to escape, will most likely cause more death or great bodily injury to the public or police. Good example of this is a suspect that just shot a convenience store clerk in the process of a robbery and is running away from the store with gun still in hand...police can shoot him at that point. See Tennesee v. Garner, which if I recall correctly, is the USSC case that modified the "fleeing felon" rule so that police could no longer shoot someone who was merely fleeing from committing a felony.

In summary, if you have a legal right to detain or arrest as a citizen, and you have reason to believe the person may be armed, then I do not see any legal reason why you would have to leave them an out while holding them at gunpoint. I guess I could see leaving them an out if you do not have authority to detain or arrest.