The stRingers are out!

[OhioLowell]

Re: The stRingers are out!

HAHAHAHA!!! I say to the weather gods, as I stand and spit into the wind. (not highly advised!) The weather report said that it would rain all day today. So last night I got the bright idea, I'll show the weather and put this transom in tonight. Surely I can do this by myself. Low and behold I can do it by myself!

I started about 7pm last night and worked until about 1215am this morning. However, everything has a good chemical bond. Thanks to the longer working time of the epoxy I was able to start the next layup long before the first lay up was kicking over. The fillets didn;t really start to get warm until I was laying the glass tape over the fillets.

The fillets consist of 3/32 milled glass and shredded chopped mat. They are a radius of about 2.5". I thought that 1/2 gal of the 3/32 milled glass would be enough thickener to do the entire project. WRONG!!! After the transom was installed and set in place (prior to building up the fillets) the 3/32 stuff was just about gone. Over the fillets are 3 layers of FG tape. The first layer is 3" mat, next 6" mat, on top is 12" 6oz cloth.

As promissed here are the pictures:
This is a shot of the transom installed. There is no fillet build up in this pic. The transom was set in a bed of thickened epoxy as well as thickened epoxy wa spread on the back of the transom. The transom was held in place with dry wall screws through the old transom. The screws will be removed and the hole filled with thickened epoxy.

The next 2 shots are of the build up of the fillets. There could have been 4 shots here but I'll spare you the repetition.
A LITTLE!

A LOT!

This is a shot of the bottom of the transom after the tape has been applied.

Here is a shot down the new transom.

Here are shots of the top corners of the new transom. This is the best shot I could get of the fillets.
LEFT

RIGHT

Here is a final shot taken this morning in the day light.

There are a few little air bubbles that I missed last night that I can see now. I'll inject them with epoxy. In hind sight, I'll be sure to have more thickener on hand next time.

Now onto the stringers.

Thanks,
Lowell

 

[Yacht Dr.]

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Looks good Ohio..nice clean job m8..

though..it looks like from your pics that you used mat and "finish cloth". on the outside chance that Im right I would suggest you dont use the cloth anymore for anything ( its just not made for marine use )

test it..wet out a scrap piece .. let harden and try to rip it like paper...try the same thing with some 1.5 oz mat and you will see the difference

Looking good though..

YD

 

[OhioLowell]

Re: The stRingers are out!

Funny you should mention the cloth. I was kind of wondering about that myself. It doesn;t seem to have the same resiliance as the mat. I was going to use only mat on my stringers. The cloth also will strech when you lay it in the epoxy if you try to slide it, the mat won't.

I know we've been through this before but here goes again. Will pvc pipe work for the bilge drain? I would assume that you would want to drill through the transom to allow the pipe to rest on a flat spot. (The pipe would have to extend far enough into the boat to allow it to pass the fillet, the plug won't go into a crooked pipe)

I've also been thinking about the transom knees. Should I place them aganist the 2 outside stringers or closer to the center line of the boat? It would make sence in my mind to place them aganist the outside stringers but what do I know.

Thanks again,
Lowell

 

[OhioLowell]

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Anyone have any transom drain suggestions?

Today I worked on the stringers for a little bit. I cut ou the last screws sticking up where the center stringer will live. I put in new stainless steel screws through the hull into the keel. These will help hold the keel inplace until it can be glassed in when the boat is rolled over later this month.

Here is a shot of the center stringer dryfitted in place. The tabs on it are to help hold it plumb while the resin kicks.. It has not been sealed yet, it will get sealed just prior to going into the boat. It is short of the transom to allow for the bilge box placement.

A little closer:

THe next is a shot of the left stringer just kind of laying there. As you can see in the pic. The stringer will not lay up against the transom because of the fillett. The following picture is my idea around this problem. Allow the stringer to stop about 4" shy of the transom (far enough to clear the fillet). Then exopy the transom knee to the stringer as I've drawn in the hidious free hand drawing. This will give me both the clearance that I need to the fillet. WIll serve as a limber hole, and will solve my problem of where to put the knees. Any suggestions? Good idea? Bad idea? The pipe in the first pic was an attempt to give the photo some depth. I didn't work too well.

DRAWING

Lastly is a picture of a mistake. Have you ever tossed something out of the way with epoxy on your hands? Not really paying attention to where it went when you tossed it? This was one of those things. I didn't find it until today when I needed my clamp. I couldn't figure out why the handle was sticking. I sprayed it down with WD40 thinking that the surface rust was the culprit. Then I saw it....DUH! Luckily I was able to smack it a few times with a hammer and it came off. Just thought I'd share.

Thanks
Lowell

 

[Nova II 260]

Re: The stRingers are out!

Lowell, how's this? drain plug assy

 

[OhioLowell]

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Boy Nova, you're up late! lol

The only problem with that plug is that it will sit 2" above the floor. I would like to have something that may sit 1/2" above the floor. That's why I was thinking 3/4" pipe of some kind. I'd also like to have a plug with the cam handle.

Any thoughts on my knees?



Thanks,
Lowell

 

[Nova II 260]

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...."Any thoughts on my knees?
They are ugly! Don't wear shorts! :devil:

They look fine and should work. I assume you have measured where to place them in relation to mounting any O/B hardware. Looks like plenty of room.

74+ degrees today..project shoulda been done by now... Draining things on mine as I post.

 

[OhioLowell]

Re: The stRingers are out!

...."Any thoughts on my knees?
They are ugly! Don't wear shorts! :devil:

Right back at ya! lol

As for them being in the way of the OB hardware. There isn't really any hardware to speak of. 2 big clamps on the OB and that's it. Unless I'm missing something?

THis weather is great! My only problem is the time to do it. My business keeps me on my toes, so only when I can steal the time does it work out. My wife goes on spring break in 9 days. That week I hope to get the entire thing just about finished. I would like to have it in the water by May? HAHAHA, you know what they say about planning.

Not to sound ungreatful but do you have any other ideas on the transom drain? I was thinking about drilling through the transom at just a hair above hull level. Installing a big brass nipple in epoxy and 2 little peices of glass over it to help secure it in place and putting my plug in it? It would actually extend into the hull just past the edge of the fillet. The fillet would help to actually push the water to the drain? Tell me if I'm thinking foolish.:/ What would you use to drill through the epoxy fillet? Holesaw? Or do I want to stay above the fillet all together? I'm CORNFUSED?:/

Thanks,
Lowell

 

[OhioLowell]

Re: The stRingers are out!

g' evening all!

Well this evening the center stringer went in! Now I can take my measurements for the 2 outside stringers. And start making the plans for the floor. Comments? Suggestions? Snide remarks? The concrete blocks are for ballast, lol. I may end up intalling a sail, who knows?8)

Thanks
Lowell

 

[Nova II 260]

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Drain port: 3/4" brass (or PVC) , I don't think it would be that critical. Use those expanding plugs. Just bed the port in good, no exposed wood. you should have to be dead on the bottom, leave room for backing nut.

 

[OhioLowell]

Re: The stRingers are out!

Thanks Nova!

I made the mistake of leaving the boat uncovered last night as they were not calling for rain untill later this after noon.:|:| 4:30 this morning I was retarping it in the rain! I wouldn't have worried about it but I didn't want the top of that stringer to get soaked. I guess that's what I get for listening to the professionals in TV.


Thanks,
Lowell

 

[sc_shane]

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Man, I browsed through the whole thread. It looks like you're doing a great job! Keep posting the updates, as I can't wait to see how this continues to look better and better!

 

[Yacht Dr.]

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lowell..I sure hope your not glassing onto paint..or gel.(looks like some white stuff under your stringer.. )

Should only be glass to glass m8.

Floor..get some cardboard..cut it to fit..use that as a template for your sole floor. after your done with your stringers.. you must grind again below the floor line..then gel it. coat the crap out of the bottom of floor with thinned out resin ( acetone thins well ) and gel over that when tacky ( so you dont have to grind again.. )

put your floor in dry..fit..and glass ( you know if you put some tape lines down for your glass lines..and be patient enough to wait till it starts to kick..razor blade that tape line..pull tape..then gel emediatly would save you some time m8 )

ps. your pvc drain is commonly used in production boats

yd

 

[OhioLowell]

Re: The stRingers are out!

Thanks all!

YD The white under the stringer is the bare glass of the hull. Trust me it took hours of grinding to clean it up and expose the glass. Lots of old resin under the old stringers.

Will 1/2" ply with a layer of 2.5oz mat over it suffice for the floor? I'll extend the glass up onto the sides of the hull a little (2") That way the floor will actually serve as reinforcement to the hull.


Thanks!
Lowell

 

[Indymike]

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Here is your drain tube.
Nice work.

http://www.iboats.com/Brass_Drain_T...9813730--list_time.1175649255--view_id.239619

 

[Saskatoon2005]

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THAT is what I have always said to use....some people just don't listen!

Patrick

 

[OhioLowell]

Re: The stRingers are out!

THAT is what I have always said to use....some people just don't listen!

Patrick

What can I say some people are just dense?:/ 2 3/8" will never clear my fillet. I need a drain that is about 4-6" long to work. I can't justify buying a brass drain that may not work just to have a brass drain.

Sorry to offend.

Lowell

 

[Saskatoon2005]

Re: The stRingers are out!

DRILL THROUGH THE FILLET....you are going to seal the hole while installing the BRASS drain anyways....it's not rocket science...even though you act like it is!

Patrick

 

[OhioLowell]

Re: The stRingers are out!

What can I say some people are just dense?:/ 2 3/8" will never clear my fillet. I need a drain that is about 4-6" long to work. I can't justify buying a brass drain that may not work just to have a brass drain.

Sorry to offend.

Lowell

Patrick,

I'm sorry! This reply was NOT directed at you being dense, it was directed at ME being dense and stubborn.

I think we both agree about the how to install the drain we just disagree on the what to use. Can we agree to disagree?


Peace?
Lowell

 

[OhioLowell]

Re: The stRingers are out!

Hello all!

Well, "the stringers are out" isn't the cast anymore! I've been running ragged the past 2 weeks and didn't get as much done as I wanted to last week but I did succeed in installing the last 2 stringers on the ONE day that the sun came out last week.

I guess the next thing on the list now is to roll the boat over so I can start on the garboard repair. Hope fully that will happen this week.


Any suggestions? Criticism?


Thanks,
Lowell