Rec gas prices???

[wooky30014]

Might make something as my cat does not bark any warning like the dogs used to.

All electric house here and is equipped with four LOUD ankle biters, they would at least keep an intruder occupied until I can get to one of my lead launchers. All vehicles have locking gas caps or are in the garage with the door down except for Riff Raft, I'll have to see if tank locks are even feasible

 

[dwco5051]

Tank holds about 200 gallons or $1000 worth.----My home heating oil tank does not have a lock on it.-----Looked it up on google and locking devices are available.----Might make something as my cat does not bark any warning like the dogs used to.

Then you can at least wake up in the warm before you realize that your catalytic converter is gone.

 

[Scott Danforth]

Until recently, the only ethanol free gas available here was 91 or 92 octane.
Now some stations are offering both 87 and 92 octane eth-free. The 87 is 40 cents cheaper than the 91.

Remember, ethanol diluted gas contains less btu per gallon, so you use more.
And we are using valuable crop land to grow corn for ethanol, in a world with a huge food/grain shortage needed to feed people.

yep, roughly 3% reduction in power using E10 vs E0 or 3% less economy.

 

[wooky30014]

yep, roughly 3% reduction in power using E10 vs E0 or 3% less economy.

My son has one of those "green fuel" F150s and his curiosity got him one day and he filled the truck up with that stuff. He said it lost power "wouldn't even get out of its own way" and the mpg dropped by half. He said he'd never put that junk in anything ever again

 

[Scott Danforth]

My son has one of those "green fuel" F150s and his curiosity got him one day and he filled the truck up with that stuff. He said it lost power "wouldn't even get out of its own way" and the mpg dropped by half. He said he'd never put that junk in anything ever again

my guess he tried E85.

E85 needs lots of boost and nearly double the fueling

 

[BWR1953]

I could go for hydrogen fuel. Three times the energy of gasoline, quick fill ups and exhaust is water vapor.

 

[JASinIL2006]

Interesting... I don't have access to E85 most of the time, but on a large F150 forum to which I belong, the most common experience of those who use E85 (in Flexfuel F150s) is that it gives a nice performance boost over gas (either E10 or E0) but the mileage per gallon suffers with E85. I'd be interested in trying E85, but it's hard to find in my neck of the woods.

 

[racerone]

How much hydrogen would you need every day to run 10% of the vehicles in the USA ???-----Where would the hydrogen come from ??-----Who would be qualified to handle / pump the hydrogen ?----How would you seal off the passenger compartment of a vehicle in case of leaks ?

 

[dingbat]

How much hydrogen would you need every day to run 10% of the vehicles in the USA ???-----Where would the hydrogen come from ??-----Who would be qualified to handle / pump the hydrogen ?----How would you seal off the passenger compartment of a vehicle in case of leaks ?

https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2015/07/f24/fcto_fcev_infographic_0.pdf

 

[wooky30014]

my guess he tried E85.

E85 needs lots of boost and nearly double the fueling

Yeah, that's what it was. A good thing he wasn't pulling his enclosed car hauler trailer or he might still be up where he was in NC

 

[racerone]

Where would the hydrogen come from in large quantities ?----What would it cost to handle / store / dispense hydrogen safely.

 

[wooky30014]

I'd think that hydrogen storage would be similar to propane and drop your refuel hose in the nearest lake or river maybe

 

[racerone]

The hydrogen storage might be and issue to some degree.-----Need to be very leakproof / leak tight.----Lake has lots of hydrogen.----But what does it cost / how to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen?.

 

[wooky30014]

I would say that it's probably been looked at and found to be too far out there, for now, PLUS the Big Oil would lose if it was developed as an alternative fuel

 

[Scott Danforth]

how to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen?.

need a fair amount of electricity to extract hydrogen. then you need a compression and storage solution that doesnt generate a spark.......

 

[racerone]

Just like electric vehicles , hydrogen is possible.-----But not cost effective at this time.

 

[racerone]

Just like I say.------Building more dams for cheap electricity is one way.-----Future generations need fish to eat , cheap electric power not so much.

 

[dwco5051]

Where would the hydrogen come from in large quantities ?----What would it cost to handle / store / dispense hydrogen safely.

Lots of ideas have been kicked around over the years for large scale production of hydrogen. It takes a lot of electricity and I have seen everything discussed from harnessing the tides to large nuclear power plants on remote islands. I was also thinking about large solar arrays to harness the power of the sun to produce hydrogen. Since the sun is burning hydrogen it would be a zero sum game. When the sun runs out of gas we could not make our own from water but that would be sort of a moot point when that happens.

 

[racerone]

Local big power plant looked into hydrogen production.----Study was done to produce hydrogen when power was not wanted at some given price point.-----I think a few years ago ,the smelters for aluminum production sent all employees home with pay.----Could make more money selling the power.----So why bother making aluminum.-----Economics comes into the picture all the time.

 

[KJM]

Just like I say.------Building more dams for cheap electricity is one way.-----Future generations need fish to eat , cheap electric power not so much.

There is nothing cheap about building dams for electricity. My province is practically bankrupt because of cost overruns on our latest project in Labrador!