Re: Prez Bush talks about Iraq
ebb,<br />"yes, God help us all... like our coins, In God We Trust." <br /><br />I trust God will have the final word. These are vastly different times when mottos and Constitutions were made.<br /><br />ebb,<br />" but me thinks you are more of a democrat than i"<br /><br />But me thinks you are more liberal then I.
<br /><br />ebb,<br />"i think someone, anyone who can, should remove from power the leaders like hussein, who've provided adequate evidence that they are maintaining power through inflicting pain & suffering on their own people. that's a simple rule to me. taking action/doing it, is not simple. nobody wants to sacrifice bloodshed doing it. "<br />"sure, we're big enough to go slap some evil regimes into playing nice with their people & neighbors. but since we're so big, nobody will mess with us"<br /><br />Undeniably this a noble and righteous effort. However, put Iraq aside for a moment.<br />More then half of the Worlds governments do not come anywhere near our standards or form of government. Is it really the responsibility of all the hardworking, taxpaying US citizens here to slap these governments in line? I think I heard it hinted on before, but am I learning here that you guys really like and want to be the worlds police? In the name of , "new world order", "family of nations" and the United Nations, are you really comfortable that this country take on this role? This is a LIBERAL view and isn't consistent with our Constitution.<br />Don't assume that this means not defending or aggressively attacking your enemies. However, if and when this war is over. Do you really want to go door to door telling other countries they have to conform to our rules? You Imperialists need not answer.<br /><br />62 kiwi,<br />"he sticks to the hard decisions and does what's right"<br /><br />I truly believe he's convinced he's right. I have a lot of respect he's willing to take an enormous hit on his popularity and possibly his second term and still sticking to his guns. Very gutsy to essentially go it alone. And you do know Kiwi that we are essentially doing this on our own. Our allies may have a flag in the theater of operations but US paying for it to be there.<br /><br />plywoody,<br />"I think for those out of a job, or worried about how they are going to pay for prescriptions, or concerned about the falling value of their 401(k), some plan that made some sense about dealing with the economy might have been nice to hear." <br /><br />Here is why you're repeating rhetoric. The economy has more to do with you, me, people like Bill Gates and Alan Greenspan then the executive branch of our government ever did. That goes for Clinton or Bush or ANY other President. While Presidents may might want to take the credit for a good economy don't perpetuate the lie by holding the economy against him. <br />I'll give credit where it's due though. The same nieghsayers of the last round of tax cuts Bush gave me definitely was welcome to my MIDDLE INCOME paycheck. He says he has more of MY money to give back to me. Since all politicians have an acute ability to SPEND like a drunken teenager, I'll take some of mine back first.<br /><br />plywoody,<br />"The stock market has voted this morning, however. Why is it that every time this president speaks, the stock market dives?"<br /><br />Huh? It wouldn't have anything to do with all the untold, countless corrupt business practices that finally abscessed early in this Presidents term?<br />The stock market types made their beds and now are lying in them. They did all that with total disregard of the consequences it did have on our economy. <br />Simply put, between all the very major players in the stock markets who were as CORRUPT as they come AND the attack on 911, with the following Anthrax attacks, and the total defensive posture that was initiated country wide at airports , communities etc., etc.,. It's amazing to me that we are in as good as shape as we are. If we could get the Democrats and the press to keep from wishing the economy get worse, maybe we could get going again this spring.<br /><br />JB,<br />"Red sky at night"<br /><br />Actually JB, you mentioned something that I held onto. It was the only way I'd be able, at that time to justify, in my mind, an Iraq attack.<br />You made the comment that Saddam made efforts to assassinate the previous President Bush. I'd spit in Saddams eye for that.<br /><br />SCO,<br />"There is no nice way for any President to take a stand in the political environment that has evolved here. Seems the left will always be against the Republican President regardless of whether right or wrong. <br />To those that will not stand with our President...how would you protect the American people from where this world is headed?" <br /><br />SCO, don't lay it all on the left. There is plenty that Repulicrat politicians do (it's in their nature) that get the moderate, and the RIGHT against them. As a conservative, the first thing that gets my back up is passing laws out of panic that limit my Constitutional rights. Calling it a "Patriot Act", is rubbing salt in the wound. <br />There was more to his speech. As a conservative I believe that if the government (only)fairly taxed me and gave me the option to invest my money, I'd be fully able to afford my own health care and medicine. Thanks but no thanks President Bush, I do NOT want the government to help me. Again, Bush has been actively GROWING the government, and again the best government is the least government.<br />Now, don't assume I have a hardened heart or I'm a grumpy old man. If the Afrikaners were having a problem with hunger, polio, typhoid or another catastrophe that couldn't be helped, we should help where we can. However, AIDS is preventable through education, NOT drugs. <br />To increase the amount of our money for drugs when education isn't helping is foolish and doesn't even have any common sense. Why should we pay for the drugs to keep the person alive longer to rape and infect more virgins? Sounds like a perfect way to increase the infection rate.<br />The President was pandering away conservative principals.<br /><br />ob,<br />"The entire middle east IMO needs an enema.Try voicing your opinion on their turf.The middle eastern countries leaders are self serving dictators whose people have little to lose.Left wingers are looking for more proof before we impose our might,however, they offer no logical conclusions to perpetual policing.When I see hundreds of citizens on their knees in Pakistan worshiping a model of the mountain where their first nuclear testing was successful,and they are supposed allies,it tends to ring a bell of skepticism for the ones who are not.Nobody likes war and it's not Americas fault that things are the way they are.Diplomacy only works between reasonable minds.Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor."<br /><br />Am I the only guy here that keeps his nose out of his neighbors back yard? If his stink gets to bad I don't have to like him. No more friendly waves. But what right would I have going over and tell him how to live his life. I'd maybe yell accross the fence at him but why trespass while voicing my opinion. ALL POLITICIANS are self serving. And while this country is strong in foundation, its people and military, our country is very weak in diplomacy, it has been for decades. Once Saddam is toast, I mean really long gone. You take a honest look at who will be coveting thy Iraqi oil.<br /><br />SCO,<br />" I am at a loss to why your view requires a conspiracy theory of imperialism, revenge, greed, sagging polls...whatever else and anything else except the danger we face to explain the actions of this administration." <br /><br />Because we aren't all alike. We aren't clones of one another. Different issues effect others differently. It is usually the ones that find it just plain easier to turn a blind eye to hypocrisy. The sources of substantiated truth is at your finger tips, educate yourself if you care to. I know you probably suspect that conspiracy theories may even be partially true, it's just easier to ignore them, pass them off as wacko. <br /> I know that politicians will lie about anything and they will sell mine and your best interests to the highest bidder. Politicians do this best and the best politicians are running the country. You think it's strange not to trust them, I think it equally strange that you do.<br /><br />plywoody,<br />"In short, we cannot lead the world to freedom and democracy by bombing them--we might do it economically and with leadership, but it won't happen with bombs".<br /><br />In the case of Iraq we can bomb them into democracy. We will too. With in five years Iraq will have a leader all voted into place. All the choices the Iraqi's will have to chose from will be hand picked by the US. We are beginning to establish ourselves as the police, judge, jury and rulers of the world. This world will never see peaceful times, it never has and it never will.<br /> <br />12footer,<br />"The biggest obstruction we have towards a favorable outcome in these dangerous times, is our party wars. The they sit on sperate sides of the isle"<br /><br />These are the checks and balances. Gotta have them 12'. I feel your pain though. I've tried for 20 years to vote out my states socialists Senators. It has evolved to the point that the Democrats seem to take the view that they would wish a poor economy or outright failure in all things that we embark on, just to make the Republicans look bad. I really wouldn't expect anything differently from a party that the largest political contributor is the trial lawyers. Hey, Hilary is their own poster child!<br /><br />"I am admittedly, a Staunch Republican"<br /><br />I'm sorry for your bad luck.
As an American Independent, I'll always hope for a bonafide chance for a Keyes/Buchanan ticket. <br /><br />" If Daschle were the commander in chief"<br />Here, here, still support him lockstep? Hmmm? Come on, tell me. President Tom Daschle has just declared war on Florida because Jeb Bush is still governor. The citizens of Florida have also voted down gun control and 72% taxation. Would you still support your commander in chief President Tom Daschle? <br /><br />Humor me 12', I truly respect what you're saying and I'm right there with you, still wavin' the flag on the street corner.
<br /><br />Now, just for the record. I didn't start this thread and the post is long, not because I'm soapboxing but because I'm responding to multiple respondents. <br />I'm still unclear about the rules so I'm still winging it. <br />If I've said something that has offended you, DON"T take it personal. I assure you, I'll do the same.<br /><br />Otherwise thank you gentlemen for taking me away from the TV this evening.
