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Originally posted by spudbartlett:<br /> ...The quotes they used were completely out of text.<br /><br />These guys think thzt the American public is so stupid and mind numb, that they can publish what ever(made up)story they want.<br />...
Straight out of the Republican party playbook. "Say what you want long enough and it will eventually be accepted as the truth." Happened many times on the red side during Kerry v Bush. Even though no self-loathing Republican will admit it.
 

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Look at it like this:<br /><br />Why report this even if it IS true? What is the news worthiness of a book being flushed down a toilet? The ONLY reason to report this is to tarnish America and inflame anti-American sentiment, especially in the part of world that happens to have a lot of oil.<br /><br />Nice work, liberals. Thanks for continuing to hurt America.
 
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Tell me, what would we do if they flushed the bible down the toilet,
That, as we all know would be considered-OK. ;) ;) -nod, nod.<br /><br />That thought would be considered as a "tolerant" one by social engineers/elites/media.
 

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Originally posted by rodbolt:<br /> PW@ yep we should reley soley on the govt. they are always right and have nothing but my and your best intrsests at heart. the govt would never ever fib, fabricate nor do anything illegal anywhere. they will tell the truth the whole truth and noting but the truth so help us God. so no worries. we can tune up a govt news channel and get noting but the whole truth and strictly facts.<br /> I do agree that quite a bit of news is most likly more speculation than actual news. seems its better to scoop another magazine than check facts.<br /> the flushing story sounded a bit suspicious once I got to the flushed the whole book part. most toilets I have used would puke if a book was flushed.<br /> I do think it was rather irresponsible to print something as a fact when its rather shadowy. <br /> spudbartlett<br /> they are not banking on the stupidity of the public,which is fairly high in matters of historical fact, they are banking on the 10 min sound bite memory.<br /> most americans have no clue how we got to this point in our history with the middle east.<br /> prior the the first so called oil crisis in the 1970's most americans were only vaguely aware that canada existed much less the mid-east. what is sad is its almost as true today. the world is shrinking daily. travel and communications are developing faster than govt,history and people can react.<br /> given our foriegn policies since the end of WWII its no wonder about the only thing they hate worse than each other is the US.<br /> but if newsweek did not report accurately and manufactured the facts I think some type of sanctions should be done. freedom of the press does not mean freedom to report anything you wish as fact. thats what the editorial pages and the opinion pages are for.
By this post, it's apparent just what is most important to you. And it is not America. To hate Bush this much is not only unhealthy, it is downright pathological. Do yuo even realize that captured alqueda tactical manuals TRAIN thier minions to spread the exact same thing you have just posted? And Newsweak is no better....I.E.; should the opertunity arise, say anything that can put the ememy in an evil light.<br />Your own media spreads falsehoods that have killed, and you overlook that,or excuse it as some sort of retaliation for our foriegn policies as regards oil!?!! And all the while, excusing the French and the UN for "food for oil" That's just plain sick!<br />Rational anger can become errational very quickly. When this happens , chaos takes-over.<br />There are a growing number of people like you, who set asside all reason to uplift the ememy, while doing whatever can be slid-under the radar of common sense to TEAR-DOWN your own government<br />I could expect such propaganda waged against the coalition from the likes of Aljazeeeeeeera and Osama Binlaidnot....but NOT from Newsweak and you!<br /><br />I suggest you get help :mad:
 

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Newsweek Retracts Koran-Desecration Story<br /><br />Monday, May 16, 2005<br /><br />By Jane Roh<br /><br /><br />NEW YORK — Newsweek on Monday retracted a story alleging interrogators at Guantanamo flushed the Koran down a toilet in front of detainees.<br /><br />"Based on what we know now, we are retracting our original story that an internal military investigation had uncovered Koran abuse at Guantanamo Bay," editor Mark Whitaker (search) said in statement released Monday evening.<br /><br />Earlier, Whitaker acknowledged the story was problematic in an apology to Newsweek's readers, but said there was no reason to retract the story.<br /><br />"We're not retracting anything. We don't know what the ultimate facts are," he told The New York Times.<br /><br />Newsweek did not say what caused the turnabout.<br /><br />In the apology, Whitaker said that its lone source for a story accusing U.S. interrogators of flushing the Koran (search) down the toilet to rattle a detainee later said he could not recall where information about the alleged incident came from.<br /><br />"We believed our story was newsworthy because a U.S. official said government investigators turned up this evidence," Whitaker wrote. "But we regret that we got any part of our story wrong, and extend our sympathies to victims of the violence and to the U.S. soldiers caught in its midst."<br /><br />Protesters took to the streets in several Afghan cities last week after Newsweek published its report. American flags were burned, relief organizations were attacked and at least 16 people were killed and scores injured in clashes with police.<br /><br />Angry Bush administration officials were out in force following Newsweek's admission.<br /><br />Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman called the report demonstrably false, and that investigators at the FBI and the Southern Command have not found any evidence to support it. SouthCom is based in Miami and oversees operations at the U.S. military base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.<br /><br />"You can't go back and undo or retract the damage that has been caused not only to this nation, but to those who have been attacked, injured or killed as a result of these false allegations," he said.<br /><br />The White House, said to be outraged over the report, stopped short of outright demanding a retraction. However, a spokesman implied the magazine should take back the story.<br /><br />"It's puzzling. While Newsweek now acknowledges that they got the facts wrong, they refuse to retract the story," press secretary Scott McClellan said. "I think there's a certain journalistic standard that should be met. In this instance it was not.<br /><br />"This was a report based on a single anonymous source that could not substantiate the allegation that was made," McClellan added. "The report has had serious consequences. People have lost their lives. The image of the United States abroad has been damaged. I just find it puzzling."<br /><br />Whitaker said that writers Michael Isikoff (search) and John Barry (search) had shown their story to two Defense Department officials but that neither commented on the alleged Koran incident. Whitman implied on Monday that no Defense officials were contacted prior to publication.<br /><br />Whitaker, however, did not say that the allegations in the story were wrong, but that the Newsweek reporters' source could not pinpoint where the source obtained his or her information. He also implied that the story had no causal effect on the recent riots in Afghanistan, in which 16 people have died and dozens have been injured.<br /><br />"The riots started and spread across the country, fanned by extremists and unhappiness over the economy," Whitaker wrote.<br /><br />The allegations by the "knowledgeable U.S. government source" were to be included in an upcoming SouthCom review, Isikoff and Barry reported in the May 9 issue.<br /><br />Defense Department officials said there are no such charges in the SouthCom report.<br /><br />It was unclear if the Pentagon was going to pursue a probe into the alleged incident or drop it in light of Newsweek's admission. A SouthCom spokesman said the investigation was still open, but Whitman said he did not know if it had been closed.<br /><br />While the Pentagon denies uncovering any information whatsoever about the allegations, Justice Department officials told FOX News that they shared a report with Defense about one such incident.<br /><br />In the summer of 2002, a Guantanamo prisoner told an FBI agent that an interrogator there flushed the Muslim holy book down the toilet. The FBI did not confirm the allegation, but passed a report containing the detainee's statement to the Department of Defense, Justice Department officials said.<br /><br />On Friday, Whitman said the Pentagon did not receive the report, and that even if Newsweek's source was based on that statement, it would be "substandard" journalism to report on a detainee's uncorroborated statement.<br /><br />Eric Burns, a media analyst and host of "FOX News Watch," agreed that Isikoff and Barry should have tried to back up their source.<br /><br />Journalists are supposed to "get multiple sources for printing something incendiary," and if the source's information did come from a military report, "they should have gotten a copy of that report," Burns said.<br /><br />That the reporters did not find any U.S. officials who could confirm their source's information makes the "knowledgeable U.S. government" source's credibility even more dubious, Burns said.<br /><br />"Who was this official they went to? Was he in a position to know?" Burns wondered.<br /><br />Burns said he understood why Newsweek, in light of the Abu Ghraib scandal, was eager to go forward with the story, and that Isikoff, who has "a hell of a reputation" in journalism, was no Jayson Blair (search).<br /><br />But, "The charge here is that an erroneous report led to death. If that's what actually happened and can be causally established, then there is no more serious charge you can make against a news organization, and no more bizarre explanation from one," Burns said.<br /><br />He cautioned that it might be pushing it to blame Newsweek for the ongoing violence in Afghanistan, saying that despite the news weekly's blunder, "there are people who are looking for reasons to hate us ... it will have no effect on people abroad who do not care for this country's behavior."<br /><br />Many of the inmates at Guantanamo were captured during the U.S.-led war against the Taliban in Afghanistan following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.<br /><br />FOX News' Bret Baier, Anna Persky and Nick Simeone contributed to this report.<br /><br /> http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,156612,00.html
 

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Hmmmm.<br /><br />In Rumsfeld's news conference, General Whatshisface said that the only Koran incident they had found so far was when a DETAINEE tore pages from his Koran and attempted to stop up a toilet with them. Motive was not discussed.<br /><br />Maybe he got ticked off when the toilet flushed anyway. :confused:
 

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Oh the inhumanity of it JB! Clearly they are being deprived of TP at GITMO and are being forced to use the holy book instead.<br /><br />Newsweek Retracts Story on Quran Abuse<br />Newsweek Retracts Story About Desecration of Quran at Guantanamo; Report Led to Deadly Protests<br />By DINO HAZELL<br />The Associated Press<br />May. 16, 2005 - Newsweek magazine, under fire for a publishing story that led to deadly protests in Afghanistan, said Monday it was retracting its report that a military probe had found evidence of desecration of the Quran by U.S. interrogators at Guantanamo Bay. <br /><br />Earlier Monday, presidential spokesman Scott McClellan had criticized Newsweek's initial response to the incident, saying it was "puzzling."<br /><br />Newsweek had reported in its issue dated May 9 that U.S. military investigators had found evidence that interrogators placed copies of Islam's holy book in washrooms and had flushed one down the toilet to get inmates to talk.<br /><br />Newsweek acknowledged problems with the story and its editor, Mark Whitaker, apologized in an editor's note in this week's edition. The accusations spawned protests in Afghanistan that left 15 dead and scores injured.<br /><br />Whitaker wrote in an editor's note that "We regret that we got any part of our story wrong, and extend our sympathies to victims of the violence and to the U.S. soldiers caught in its midst."<br /><br />But after the White House criticized Newsweek's response to the story, Whitaker released a statement later Monday through a spokesman saying the magazine was retracting the story.<br /><br />"Based on what we know now, we are retracting our original story that an internal military investigation had uncovered Quran abuse at Guantanamo Bay," Whitaker said.
 

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Now punish them for publishing unsubstaniated "news" that proved not only to be false, but fatal. Try them as an accomplice in the murder. After all, they should have been aware of the fragile mindset of their potential readers and therefore were able to orchestrate the murder by undue influence.<br /><br />What do you think Tinkerer? Do we have a case?
 

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Want to be totally disgusted with Newsweek? Here's their "justification" for the article. This was published before the retraction:<br /><br />
<br />How a Fire Broke Out <br />The story of a sensitive NEWSWEEK report about alleged abuses at Guantánamo Bay and a surge of deadly unrest in the Islamic world.<br /><br />By Evan Thomas<br />Newsweek<br /><br /><br />May 23 issue - By the end of the week, the rioting had spread from Afghanistan throughout much of the Muslim world, from Gaza to Indonesia. Mobs shouting "Protect our Holy Book!" burned down government buildings and ransacked the offices of relief organizations in several Afghan provinces. The violence cost at least 15 lives, injured scores of people and sent a shudder through Washington, where officials worried about the stability of moderate regimes in the region.<br /><br />The spark was apparently lit at a press conference held on Friday, May 6, by Imran Khan, a Pakistani cricket legend and strident critic of Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf. Brandishing a copy of that week's NEWSWEEK (dated May 9), Khan read a report that U.S. interrogators at Guantánamo prison had placed the Qur'an on toilet seats and even flushed one. "This is what the U.S. is doing," exclaimed Khan, "desecrating the Qur'an." His remarks, as well as the outraged comments of Muslim clerics and Pakistani government officials, were picked up on local radio and played throughout neighboring Afghanistan. Radical Islamic foes of the U.S.-friendly regime of Hamid Karzai quickly exploited local discontent with a poor economy and the continued presence of U.S. forces, and riots began breaking out last week.<br /><br />Late last week Pentagon spokesman Lawrence DiRita told NEWSWEEK that its original story was wrong. The brief PERISCOPE item ("SouthCom Showdown") had reported on the expected results of an upcoming U.S. Southern Command investigation into the abuse of prisoners at Gitmo. According to NEWSWEEK, SouthCom investigators found that Gitmo interrogators had flushed a Qur'an down a toilet in an attempt to rattle detainees. While various released detainees have made allegations about Qur'an desecration, the Pentagon has, according to DiRita, found no credible evidence to support them.<br /><br /><br />How did NEWSWEEK get its facts wrong? And how did the story feed into serious international unrest? While continuing to report events on the ground, NEWSWEEK interviewed government officials, diplomats and its own staffers, and reconstructed this narrative of events:<br /><br />At NEWSWEEK, veteran investigative reporter Michael Isikoff's interest had been sparked by the release late last year of some internal FBI e-mails that painted a stark picture of prisoner abuse at Guantánamo. Isikoff knew that military investigators at Southern Command (which runs the Guantánamo prison) were looking into the allegations. So he called a longtime reliable source, a senior U.S. government official who was knowledgeable about the matter. The source told Isikoff that the report would include new details that were not in the FBI e-mails, including mention of flushing the Qur'an down a toilet. A SouthCom spokesman contacted by Isikoff declined to comment on an ongoing investigation, but NEWSWEEK National Security Correspondent John Barry, realizing the sensitivity of the story, provided a draft of the NEWSWEEK PERISCOPE item to a senior Defense official, asking, "Is this accurate or not?" The official challenged one aspect of the story: the suggestion that Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller, sent to Gitmo by the Pentagon in 2001 to oversee prisoner interrogation, might be held accountable for the abuses. Not true, said the official (the PERISCOPE draft was corrected to reflect that). But he was silent about the rest of the item. The official had not meant to mislead, but lacked detailed knowledge of the SouthCom report.<br /><br /><< Remember how CBS pulled this same trick with the Guard story? Because it wasn't denied by someone that was taken as confirmation? Also, note here they admit they knew the impact this story could have >><br /><br />Given all that has been reported about the treatment of detainees—including allegations that a female interrogator pretended to wipe her own menstrual blood on one prisoner—the reports of Qur'an desecration seemed shocking but not incredible. <br /><br /><< Nice new allegation to through into the mix huh? And an especially disgusting one at that. Do these people have no shame at all? >><br /><br />But to Muslims, defacing the Holy Book is especially heinous. "We can understand torturing prisoners, no matter how repulsive," says computer teacher Muhammad Archad, interviewed last week by NEWSWEEK in Peshawar, Pakistan, where one of last week's protests took place. "But insulting the Qur'an is like deliberately torturing all Muslims. This we cannot tolerate."<br /><br />NEWSWEEK was not the first to report allegations of desecrating the Qur'an. As early as last spring and summer, similar reports from released detainees started surfacing in British and Russian news reports, and in the Arab news agency Al-Jazeera; <br /><br /><< They really didn't just cite Al-Jazeera as a credible source did they? OMG! >><br /><br />claims by other released detainees have been covered in other media since then. But the NEWSWEEK report arrived at a particularly delicate moment in Afghan politics. Opponents of the Karzai government, including remnants of the deposed Taliban regime, have been looking for ways to exploit public discontent. The Afghan economy is weak, and the government (pressed by the United States) has alienated farmers by trying to eradicate their poppy crops, used to make heroin in the global drug trade. <br /><br /><< Translation: It's not our fault! It's the economy stupid! >><br /><br />Afghan men are sometimes rounded up during ongoing U.S. military operations, and innocents can sit in jail for months. When they are released, many complain of abuse. President Karzai is still largely respected, but many Afghans regard him as too dependent on and too obsequious to the United States. With Karzai scheduled to come to Washington next week, this is a good time for his enemies to make trouble.<br /><br /><< Translation: Even if this isn't true, the US is doing all sorts of bad things so they deserve it >><br /><br />That does not quite explain, however, why the protest and rioting over Qur'an desecration spread throughout the Islamic region. After so many gruesome reports of torture and abuse at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere, <br /><br /><< gruesome reports of torture and abuse at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere? How many died at Abu Ghraib? You all just killed 17! >><br /><br />the vehemence of feeling around this case came as something of a surprise. Extremist agitators are at least partly to blame, << But not Newsweek right? >>but obviously the reports of Qur'anic desecration touch a particular nerve in the Islamic world. U.S. officials, including President George W. Bush, are uneasily watching, and last week Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice pointedly remarked that any desecration of the Qur'an would not be "tolerated" by the United States. (As a legal matter, U.S. citizens are free to deface the Qur'an as an exercise of free speech, just as they are free to burn the American flag or tear up a Bible; but government employees can be punished for violating government rules.)<br /><br />After the rioting began last week, the Pentagon attempted to determine the veracity of the NEWSWEEK story. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Richard Myers told reporters that so far no allegations had been proven. He did appear to cryptically refer to two mentions found in the logs of prison guards in Gitmo: a report that a detainee had used pages of the Qur'an to stop up a crude toilet as a form of protest, and a complaint from a detainee that a prison guard had knocked down a Qur'an hanging in a bag in his cell.<br /><br />On Friday night, Pentagon spokesman DiRita called NEWSWEEK to complain about the original PERISCOPE item. He said, "We pursue all credible allegations" of prisoner abuse, but insisted that the investigators had found none involving Qur'an desecration. DiRita sent NEWSWEEK a copy of rules issued to the guards (after the incidents mentioned by General Myers) to guarantee respect for Islamic worship. On Saturday, Isikoff spoke to his original source, the senior government official, who said that he clearly recalled reading investigative reports about mishandling the Qur'an, including a toilet incident. But the official, still speaking anonymously, could no longer be sure that these concerns had surfaced in the SouthCom report. Told of what the NEWSWEEK source said, DiRita exploded, "People are dead because of what this son of a ***** said. How could he be credible now?"<br /><br />In the meantime, as part of his ongoing reporting on the detainee-abuse story, Isikoff had contacted a New York defense lawyer, Marc Falkoff, who is representing 13 Yemeni detainees at Guantánamo. According to Falkoff's declassified notes, a mass-suicide attempt—when 23 detainees tried to hang or strangle themselves in August 2003—was triggered by a guard's dropping a Qur'an and stomping on it. One of Falkoff's clients told him, "Another detainee tried to kill himself after the guard took his Qur'an and threw it in the toilet." A U.S. military spokesman, Army Col. Brad Blackner, dismissed the claims as unbelievable. "If you read the Al Qaeda training manual, they are trained to make allegations against the infidels," he said.<br /><br /><< Transltion: So, even though we were wrong, we can find terrorists to back us up on similar instances. >><br /><br />More allegations, credible or not, are sure to come. Bader Zaman Bader, a 35-year-old former editor of a fundamentalist English-language magazine in Peshawar, was released from more than two years' lockup in Guantánamo seven months ago. Arrested by Pakistani security as a suspected Qaeda militant in November 2001, he was handed over to the U.S. military and held at a tent at the Kandahar airfield. One day, Bader claims, as the inmates' latrines were being emptied, a U.S. soldier threw in a Qur'an. After the inmates screamed and protested, a U.S. commander apologized. Bader says he still has nightmares about the incident.<br /><br /><< Translation: Enough people haven't died yet. Please allow us to throw around so more unfounded allegations. Maybe we can get the number of dead up to triple digits! -- Fox reported this man never made these claims when he was interviewed in the past by multiple news organizations, some international and that the charges were only made after he filled a law suit against the US for damages >><br /><br />Such stories may spark more trouble. Though decrepit and still run largely by warlords, Afghanistan was not considered by U.S. officials to be a candidate for serious anti-American riots. But Westerners, including those at NEWSWEEK, may underestimate how severely Muslims resent the American presence, especially when it in any way interferes with Islamic religious faith.<br /><br />With Sami Yousafzai in Peshawar, Ron Moreau and Zahid Hussain in Islamabad and Eve Conant and Andrew Horesh in Washington<br /><br />URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7857407/site/newsweek/ <br /><br />
 

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Originally posted by DJ:<br />
Tell me, what would we do if they flushed the bible down the toilet,
That, as we all know would be considered-OK. ;) ;) -nod, nod.<br /><br />That thought would be considered as a "tolerant" one by social engineers/elites/media.
Okay, flush it if you want to, in your hands it's just paper and ink (not literally you, DJ, I'm talking about the hands of a bible-flusher). If you can afford the plumbing bills.<br /><br />
Originally posted by SoulWinner:<br />...The ONLY reason to report this is to tarnish America and inflame anti-American sentiment....
sorry SW, I respectfully disagree; the only reason is to sell more magazines. And the free publicity they got when the media became the story. Sorry, that's two reasons.
 

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Hey JT, who buys magazines to read anti-US, anti-military propaganda? Sell more magazines to whom? Hum, let's see...
 
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sorry SW, I respectfully disagree; the only reason is to sell more magazines. And the free publicity they got when the media became the story. Sorry, that's two reasons.<br />
I disagree. This anti Americanism goes far beyond a busniess decision of selling magazines/papers/advertising, etc. It is an agenda.
 

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12footer<br /> I am thinking your the one that needs some help. maybe some reading comprehension classes and some history lessons. <br /> in no way do I hate President Bush. I have little personall respect for him or his brother neil but he is the president so I will respect his office. I disagree with what his admin has done but thats a right of any american. I also disagreed on the last criminal we had in the white house and most of his policy. so far a lot of blather and blah blah but when I post a historical fact and a reference to it no one counters with any references or facts just blah blah. hard to debate a blah blah. myself I dont think I have read a newsweek in a year or so and then only the outdated copies in a hospital waiting room. I dont consider it very credible and have not for years. still does not give them any right to holler "fire" in a crowded theatre.<br /> I also dont trust all the govt says either. somepeople actually believe the govt will never lie or do any illegal acts either internationally or domestically. its their right.<br /> if anyone knows of a brand of toilet that can flush a book let me know. it would be handy when all the women are home at the same time. <br /> its a shame that reporters seem to glory hunt more than news hunt anymore. had the story been truthful and verifiable it would be considered as news. maybe. but after spending years trying to understand the culture of the middle east Islamics, not a lot of sucess, I understand what they are. dont like it much but I try to understand it. the hold a vastly diffent value on human life, especially non-islamics. similar to the japanese in the 30's and 40's. to surrender and not fight to the death was considered dishonerable and sub-human. prisoners tended to get treated accordingly. doesnt make it right just the US troops did not realize the culture they were surrendering to. but knowing the problems in the afghan region I think it was incredibly bad to print what was printed at this point in time no matter the truth.<br /> so like I say until our policy makers try to undewrstand the culture and quit trying to apply ours to theirs this problem will continue. until it happens and a peacful way to co-exist is found we will either have to eliminate the population of the region or pull out and go back to a policy of containment. that cultue is 10 or 15 times older than ours. they been killing each other since time has been recorded. aint nothing we do will stop it. so I say as long as the oil is flowing we arm all sides and be friends with the winner. (not really)
 

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So just how many Korans do I have to flush to get all the radical idiot Muslims off the earth? <br /><br />The ones that read the koran and respect it teachings I can deal with.<br /><br />Jehad- another name for Anany nanny boo hoo:D
 

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Originally posted by DJ:<br />
sorry SW, I respectfully disagree; the only reason is to sell more magazines. And the free publicity they got when the media became the story. Sorry, that's two reasons.<br />
I disagree. This anti Americanism goes far beyond a busniess decision of selling magazines/papers/advertising, etc. It is an agenda.
Can't deny the possibility; of all commercial enterprises, news media is the most likely candidate to advance an agenda.<br /><br />But it's Big Business now, and Big Business has only one agenda; get Bigger. Big Business has no loyalty except to itself, and no enemies except its competitors. And government regulation. Unless the regulation benefits Big Business. <br /><br />If Big Business believes that Anti-Americanism will perpetuate Big Business, then that's the course they'll follow. But the current administration is so much more on the side of Big Business than the other guys, the only reason for them to sabatoge the republicans is if they are focused on short-term results to the detriment of their long-term prospects. <br /><br />If America falls, so falls freedom of the press, where will the media be then? Big Business is sometimes stupid like that.
 

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The premise of this whole flap is simply silly.<br /><br />First , we have Wolfowitz (or Rumsfeld, I forget which) announcing to the world that Geneva convention rules don't apply to detainees.<br /><br />Second, we have the abuses at Abu Grahib, well documented, where even a few low level grunts are even being court-martialed for...<br /><br />Third, we have well documented cases of women interrogating detainees with reports of gross sexual techniques designed to make the detainees feel unclean.<br /><br />Fourth, for two years there have been other reports of desecrating the Koran with other detainees<br /><br />Fifth, there are reports of moving detainees to countries where torture is allowed in order to interrogate them.<br /><br />Who knows what else is going on...<br /><br />And we are to believe that somehow this 9 line Newsweek story irreparably damaged our reputation in the Arab world, and now they don't like us??<br /><br />Because of a little item in the Periscope section of the magazine?<br /><br />C'mon, I may have been born at nite, but not last nite. Get Real.
 

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Wondered when you were gonna check in with the "atrocities list", PW2<br /><br />Perhaps you would prefer that we behead them, kidnap and murder civilians, dive planes into mosques during services, blow up cars on the streets, etc, etc.<br /><br />Get real, friend.
 

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Well PW, you have to take the rioters word for it. Or, you could take the time to read the Evan Thomas story I posted above from Newsweek. Here, let me make it easy for you:<br /><br />
<br />But to Muslims, defacing the Holy Book is especially heinous. "We can understand torturing prisoners, no matter how repulsive," says computer teacher Muhammad Archad, interviewed last week by NEWSWEEK in Peshawar, Pakistan, where one of last week's protests took place. "But insulting the Qur'an is like deliberately torturing all Muslims. This we cannot tolerate."
Let me guess PW, it was all Karl Rove! He flew over there and started the riots to make Newsweek look bad. It's all a big conspiracy...
 

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Let's assume that one of these prisoners had information that we did not get out of him and that information was about an attack of greater impact than 9/11.<br /><br />A year after the attack, the press uncovers the fact that this individual, a key to this plan, was in our detention.<br /><br />What do you think the press would say then?? I guess they would complain about our ineffective methods of interrogation and would ultimately fault our gov't.<br /><br />I don't know about you, but cutting off heads is pretty heinous. Flying planes into trade centers full of innocent people is pretty heinous. They are hitting us where they know it hurts. In this game you gotta play to win. I say hit em where it hurts. If they don't like it, then back off.
 
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