Is President George W. Bush stupid?

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Originally posted by rolmops:<br />
Originally posted by jtexas:<br />
Originally posted by rolmops:<br /> I think he represents the average american,that is why he is so popular.
is that a "yes" or a "no"?<br /><br /> :D
And somebody else says that I seem ugly towards America.<br />What's with you guys,I did not imply anything.<br />Why do you doubt your own intelligence??
hey c'mon rolmops didn't you at least get a little chuckle out that one? sorry 'bout that.
 

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DJ<br /> it does not make your opinion any better or worse than any others regardless of service,<br /> its funny that in this noble war there is not one of the 18 or so military aged Bush's in service.<br /> but you will find those that never trained, stood a watch or fired a weapon cause they were getting fired on tend to beat the war drums the loudest and also tend to over estimate the value of "shock and Awe". rumsfelds planning of this current debacle is a stand out example.<br /> most that served tend to wish to use military action as a last resort and almost all called for more boots on the ground at the start, most were sacked. if shock and awe were actually effective we would have taken Hanoi and shut down the ho chi min trail, neither happened.<br /> about the same with torture, if it worked the NV would have known much more than they did, most their intell came from american spies and channeled through the russians.<br /> so while I respect your opinions and your vote counts the same as mine I would not give a heavy credence to any opinions by a non military member about military matters, same as I dont solicit Dr's advice from plumbers or plumbing advice from Dr's. while I will listen to both about both matters the most heavily weighted one will be towards the one with the professional training.<br /> the study of war is a long long tradition. the only difference in battle of years past and today is the technology, the human factors have not changed much nor has the geographical or tactical positioning.<br /> battles are fun to dissect. sometimes a seeminly superior force gets whacked by an inferior force. sometimes equal opposing forces win or lose and usually it comes down to which side took the best advantage of the terrain and the environment.<br /> another point that got neglected.<br /> its difficult to fight a small, lightly dressed force that has extensive knowledge of the local terrain and environment, with the wrong gear. our guys were dying in 120* heat wearing full military gear and body armour that was not designed for desert operations using equipment not desighned for the almost talcum poweder like sands of the dessert. a buddy told me at first it was a toss up which would kill ya, the enemy or the heat, he said both were incapacitating.<br /> but a full listing of those in the house and senate and congress of military service or not would be interesting.
 

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Scroll down to the 6th page of this .pdf<br /><br />108th Congress<br /><br />This is the makeup of the 108th Congress. Took me all of 2 minutes to find. How do some people let themselves get sucked into this carp . . . :confused: <br /><br />Art, dude, I take one look at those stats and know that something is missing . . . Not to mention your side of the list voted to send us to war too. Side? What the heck am I talking about? There is no side. It is a completely stacked deck. It's bogus, yet people not only get sucked in, they spread it. Lies, I tell you, Lies. I am being over dramatic on purpose, but jeez . . .
 
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rodbolt wrote: <br /><br />
this current debacle is a stand out example.<br />
so while I respect your opinions and your vote counts the same as mine I would not give a heavy credence to any opinions by a non military member about military matters, same as I dont solicit Dr's advice from plumbers or plumbing advice from Dr's. while I will listen to both about both matters the most heavily weighted one will be towards the one with the professional training.<br />
So, in other words, my opinion is-SQUAT. Nicely said, but pointed. So, since I do not have your experience with outboards, my opinion is NULL AND VOID?? Pretty arrogant, in my book.<br /><br /><br />We disagree on spreading the one gift that God has given us. We spread, throughout the world-the gift of--FREEDOM.<br /><br />We've enjoyed-FREEDOM, in this country for well over 200 years. We're so full of it that many of us, as you, I feel, hate it.<br /><br />Spreading-FREEDOM, to any individual, as said, is a great gift.<br /><br />We lost 3000 civilians, on 9-11, in one hour. We've lost less than that in Iraq in three years.<br /><br />It's a shame you feel the price is too high. Placing a price tag on things, cheapens them.<br /><br />Ask a soldier, returning, or an Iraqi, if what that they have done means anything? I have. They are all for it.<br /><br />Viet Nam is OVER. We blew it. We were perfectly capable of winning, yet "political" pressure made us into losers.<br />It seems we want to renew that hurt.<br /><br />When it comes to promoting-FREEDOM, throughout the world. I'm not bowing to that political pressure.<br /><br />Like it or not, MY opinion means more than a vote.
 

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Nice post Art B......... :) .....JK
 

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JK,<br /><br />Now you've slipped the other way . . . Did you look at the .pdf link I posted?
 

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QC,<br /><br />Your link doesn't give much detail. I was on that site the other day, it just gives the stats on how many served in each party. I would like to know in what capacity they served.<br /><br />I know Arts list was somewhat selective but it seems to me those that bang the war drums the loudest are usually the ones that haven't served or at the very least were tucked in nice and snugly state side.<br /><br />IMO those that have seen the ugly side of war will truly, and I want to emphasize "truly", use it as a last resort.
 

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Art B. You are one of those "y'all" types. Facts and information do not matter, heck the press may even use it. Only time facts matter are when they support the "right" people. <br /><br />jimonica, you are so correct on those who have been there would wish the misery of war and dying on no one. Iraq was never a war to win, but a political fight to control oil. <br /><br />I will never forget Rumsfield's remark on the lack of armor for the troops, when forced into a war we must fight with the equipment we have at the time (paraphased without bias, i hope). Who forced us into Iraq.<br /><br />DJ, I think you took rodbolt wrong, he respect your right of opinion and you do have only one vote, but those who have superior knowledge (by experience or education) opinions bear more weight than those who avoided experience voluntarily.
 

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Originally posted by jimonica:<br />IMO those that have seen the ugly side of war will truly, and I want to emphasize "truly", use it as a last resort.
Alden and I batted this around recently, but we were on the same side and he is a vet. It is what you say above that may make them LESS qualified to make these decisions . . .
 

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Whiner, it seems anything is a "fact" when it would hurt the war effort and the Bush administration. Every day it becomes more and more clear that the democratic party would do or say anything, regardless of how many more Americans die because of it, to hurt the administration so that they can sieze power. The good news is that many Americans can see that now like they could not in the past.<br /><br />It must suck to be a democrat.<br /><br />*glub, glub*
 

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"QC", I did read it & did not see it's relavance....I agree with Jimonica....Those who 'Hawk' the loudest & beat the drums loudest are the ones who were too yellow to join or joined the National Guard to avoid combat....& THEN DIDN'T BOTHER TO SHOW UP FOR THAT! Another most verbal wind bag got out for anal cysts, fitting, cause he is still full of carp to this day! The only one I see on that side of the list is McCain.....& he is a R.I.N.O! The repubs don't even want him! It pisses me off that the rich & republican kids got to skate....The rest got to pay the checks that their bodies couldn't or wouldn't cash.....JK
 

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You would have us believe that republicans and their sons did not serve, while democrats and their sons did all the fighting?<br /><br />The allegation that Bush did not fulfil his obligations was put to rest long ago. Yet you stick to the recipe of telling the lie over and over again until people believe it. That record don't play no more.<br /><br />*glub, glub*
 

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So take GWB out of the list...Still plenty on there.....JK
 

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dogsdad, Too bad I am a registered Republican just not blind. Sorry. Oh yeah I voted against GWB twice, once in primary and once in regular election. Voted for all Republicans except our DA and our US Rep (both long standing straight honest guys). I oppose Iraq war totally, am sick of lying and deceipt, did serve, and think GWB is a coward and his record shows it. His wearing of the colors and leather jacket as a military pilot is a disgrace to all who served.<br /><br />As for his leadership, have you heard him speak??
 

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Here is my source: http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RS21379.pdf <br /><br />The House has 117 veterans: 69<br />Republicans and 48 Democrats, including one woman, who is a Republican.<br /><br />In the Senate, 35 Members are veterans: 19 Republicans and 16 Democrats.<br /><br />Any persons attempting to manipulate the breakdown otherwise are misleading. That means, if you posted a list and you knew it was wrong- you were lying. If you posted a list from an email floating around the web- shame on you for not verifying.<br /><br />ArtB, I'm assuming your list was from an email and you would now like to detract it since you have been corrected?<br /><br />edit: I softened my language.
 

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Thanks for the help RF, saw yours just before I posted this. A little redundant, but what the heck . . .<br /><br />The relevance was that the 108th congress (we are in the 109th) had significantly more Republican vets than Democrat vets. Not sure how you could find a more relevant counter to Art's C&P . . . :confused: <br /><br />THIS WAR WAS VOTED ON BY THE 108th CONGRESS!! Sooooooo, those that voted to got to war included more Republican vets than Democrat vets. How is that not relevant?<br /><br />Also, I still say that those that have served in a truly violent environment are LESS qualified to make these decisions. We want people who are prepared to make the tough decisions based on what is right for this country i.e. unclouded judgment.<br /><br />So, to remain consistent I recommend that Frogger's cat should NOT vote . . . :D
 

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Your welcome to your opinion, but just because it is your opinion does not make it fact. All the memebrs of the military who I know are proud to serve under Bush.<br /><br />As for lying and deceit, you should be angry at the left and their willing accomplices in the so-called mainstream press. You have been deceived, and it is by them.<br /><br />As to your membership of the republican party, I neither care nor believe you.
 

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So how many of the Congress have children serving? That might give us a better look at how hard it is for our leaders to send kids to war. I do not know the answer just a thought.<br /><br />Q22, Kind of hard on me there, I did the whole shoot and run while getting shot at thing. You know people really die from that stuff, in my outfit we lost 26 out of 73 in less than one year. Hell, I probably should be put down with that background.
 

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txs,<br /><br />I respect and seriously thank you for your service, there is literally nothing about my life that compares. It is what you went through that suggests to me that you may not be able to be objective. Not aren't objective, may not be . . .<br /><br />I think children serving is even more conflicting.
 

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BTW, all. I was actually proud of how well we were behaving on this thread after JB suggested it was a troll. Let's keep it up . . .<br /><br />Frogger's edit is a good example. :)
 
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