Is President George W. Bush stupid?

txswinner · Nov 30, 2005

Re: Is President George W. Bush stupid?

ee, who elected Doyle the people not as smart as him. That seems to be your stand.

lakelivin · Nov 30, 2005

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Originally posted by oddjob: 

Originally posted by technoskewered: 

....On subject, I think the only person who suffered more as the media target was Al Gore. "When I invented the Internet" Did Al Gore Really say that? If he did, that would be nearly as stupid as.....

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Why yes he did...in a tapped speach he made during the campaine. Rush Limbaugh shared it with me and his audience of listeners( liberal's insert insults here ). He ( gore) was stuck on stupid and now we ask? ....did he really say that?...BAAAAAAAAaaaa!BAAAAAAaaaaaaaa!

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Actually Gore didn't say that. His response was an extemporaneous answer to a question during a live interview. If you had an open enough mind to look into the issue you might find that the spirit of what Gore was trying to convey (although admittedly very poorly worded) was probably much more correct than the national joke the right turned it into by misquoting it, quoting it out of context, and applying spin to the point that the statement became a national joke. I could supply references to the actual history of Gore's statement, his contributions to the creation of the internet, and how the right wing spun the entire issue, but I don't see it as worth taking the time as I don't think most of those on this forum with strong right allegiances would be open minded enough to objectively evaluate the information anyways (no offense intended, but that's my honest perspective). If anyone is interested and honestly willing to objectively look at the facts, let me know & I'll take the time to post some links (some of which I don't think either side could consider biased). Hope that was a more polite explaination of me not taking the time to expand on the issue than this: "THE TRUTH? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"

lakelivin · Nov 30, 2005

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oops, double post

txswinner · Nov 30, 2005

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Lake Livin, You are so right in the speech and the unlikeliness that it would matter.

demsvmejm · Nov 30, 2005

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I don't think he's stupid, and voted accordingly. But I think he is an idiot. He has very little smarts, but he is very cunning. I still think he is the idiot-in-chief, and book smarts and IQ's don't directly equate to sense in real life. Real life smarts require common sense. And... From a look at my pocket change, I have alot common cents

rodbolt · Nov 30, 2005

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I dont belive he is stupid, cant get to where he is if your plain stupid, a lot of money and saudi connections help

. but I do think he has mismangaed his time in office, I think he has fired various members of his advisory team that should have been kept and kept others that he should have fired. most managers of a large corperation will fire their mother if the rusults are not in the accounting ledger. seems this administrations ledger is in the red. and no one is getting fired. but in all honesty a single man cannot take on the entire administrations duties, but as the president he is ultimatly responsible. seems if some one under him used poor judgement he should get sacked. its similar to H R perot, I have met him a few times in person, nice guy. reasonably sharp but he will be the first to tell you the key to sucess is not knowing it all but setting yourself up with those that do and fireing those that fail to perform. my self I would have liked to see Perot as president but I fully understand why he withdrew. no way would I want that job

. so no I really dont think Bush is stupid, I do think world events have given him problems beyond his comprehension and those he surrounded himself with.

QC · Nov 30, 2005

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Originally posted by LakeLivin: I could supply references to the actual history of Gore's statement, his contributions to the creation of the internet, and how the right wing spun the entire issue, but I don't see it as worth taking the time as I don't think most of those on this forum with strong right allegiances would be open minded enough to objectively evaluate the information anyways (no offense intended, but that's my honest perspective).

I honestly think you should start another thread about this. It is kinda buried here. I, for one, am interested. I honestly don't care about spin, and would love to know the history of that. I think I reviewed the quotes way back when, but don't recall the context etc. I will share (since this thread was about stupidity

) a direct Al Gore quote: "I don't want to diminish the threat of terrorism at all, it is extremely serious, but on a long-term global basis, global warming is the most serious problem we are facing." 11/13/05

PW2 · Nov 30, 2005

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I did not vote in the poll. It smacks of being personal, and my problem with Bush is not personal. It is his policies I don't like. And he is clearly not a good speaker, especially when unrehearsed. That is an important part of a leader's job. He seems to be uncurious, and oddly proud of that trait. And he likes to surround himself with those that agree with him, and dismiss those that don't. While that may be natural, it is dangerous, and you may not get a full picture of what may go wrong with a particular policy. All in all, I think he probably earned his status as a C minus student...

eeboater · Dec 1, 2005

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Originally posted by txswinner: ee, who elected Doyle the people not as smart as him. That seems to be your stand.

Trying to figure out what that says... But what I am thinking you said was that since my signature says Doyle is "Stuck on Stupid" the people who elected him are stupid as well. Yes, that is my "stand" as you put it. Sean

Baldguy · Dec 1, 2005

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Originally posted by PW2: And he is clearly not a good speaker, especially when unrehearsed. That is an important part of a leader's job.

No doubt PW2. He has got to be the worst speaker in the presidency I've seen and/or heard. It's almost frustrating to watch how unsmooth he is when speaking.

oddjob · Dec 1, 2005

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Originally posted by LakeLivin: 

Originally posted by oddjob: 

Originally posted by technoskewered: 

....On subject, I think the only person who suffered more as the media target was Al Gore. "When I invented the Internet" Did Al Gore Really say that? If he did, that would be nearly as stupid as.....

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Why yes he did...in a tapped speach he made during the campaine. Rush Limbaugh shared it with me and his audience of listeners( liberal's insert insults here ). He ( gore) was stuck on stupid and now we ask? ....did he really say that?...BAAAAAAAAaaaa!BAAAAAAaaaaaaaa!

Click to expand...

Actually Gore didn't say that. His response was an extemporaneous answer to a question during a live interview. If you had an open enough mind to look into the issue you might find that the spirit of what Gore was trying to convey (although admittedly very poorly worded) was probably much more correct than the national joke the right turned it into by misquoting it, quoting it out of context, and applying spin to the point that the statement became a national joke. I could supply references to the actual history of Gore's statement, his contributions to the creation of the internet, and how the right wing spun the entire issue, but I don't see it as worth taking the time as I don't think most of those on this forum with strong right allegiances would be open minded enough to objectively evaluate the information anyways (no offense intended, but that's my honest perspective). If anyone is interested and honestly willing to objectively look at the facts, let me know & I'll take the time to post some links (some of which I don't think either side could consider biased). Hope that was a more polite explaination of me not taking the time to expand on the issue than this: "THE TRUTH? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"

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inlighten me...my mind is open....I dont research and post facts much either..time is limited and/or wasted. Are you saying Gore did invent the internet? Is that why He and Clinton went after Bill gates?

oddjob · Dec 2, 2005

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Bump.............mind wide open...

lakelivin · Dec 2, 2005

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Ok, I posted a new topic about Gore & the internet. Long, since I excerpted material from three or four web sites. The site links are included so you can read the full text of the articles. References include snopes.com (the urban legend debunking site) and quotes from Vint Cerf and Robert Kahn, the two men generally recognized as baing perhaps the major technical contributers towards creation of the internet. Be interested to hear what you think.

lakelivin · Dec 2, 2005

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another double post.

jtexas · Dec 3, 2005

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Originally posted by oddjob: 

Originally posted by jtexas: just cause he has the attention span of your average 5-year-old doesn't make him stupid

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Sounds and posts like....jtexas you judge with experience.he,he

ADD is often accompanied by cleverness. Having a short attention span and no intelligence is a recipe for homelessness.

txswinner · Dec 6, 2005

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QC, Looks like the opinions on this site make you a potential candidate for Prez. from the right. Good luck you got my vote.

QC · Dec 6, 2005

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Thanks . . . errr, I think?

txswinner · Dec 6, 2005

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Yes, I understand why that might not be such a great compliment, heck you might run the country just like him. Actually the next president might not be bad at least there is not a lot of room to screw up this country more than G.W. has, but the clean up may well leave the next administration looking really bad.

artburr · Dec 7, 2005

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I have been looking for somewhere to post this and this seems as good as any: Subject: EYE OPENER (on Democrats and Republicans and their military service) Democrats: * Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71. * David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72. * Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72. * Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade. * Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam. * Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII. * John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, Purple Hearts. * Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea. * Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam. Paraplegic from war injuries. Served in Congress. * Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53. * Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74. * Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91. * Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons. * Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars,and Soldier's Medal. * Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit. * Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart. * Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V. * Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star. * Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57 * Chuck Robb: Vietnam * Howell Heflin: Silver Star * George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII. * Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received #311. * Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy. * Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953 * John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and AirMedal with 18 Clusters. * Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg. Republicans -- and these are the guys sending people to war: * **** Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage. * Dennis Hastert: did not serve. * Tom Delay: did not serve. * Roy Blunt: did not serve. * Bill Frist: did not serve. * Mitch McConnell: did not serve. * Rick Santorum: did not serve. * Trent Lott: did not serve. * John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business. * Jeb Bush: did not serve. * Karl Rove: did not serve. * Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism. * Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve. * Vin Weber: did not serve. * Richard Perle: did not serve. * Douglas Feith: did not serve. * Eliot Abrams: did not serve. * Richard Shelby: did not serve. * Jon! Kyl: did not serve. * Tim Hutchison: did not serve. * Christopher Cox: did not serve. * Newt Gingrich: did not serve. * Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor. * George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam, disappeared from duty. * Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non- combat role making movies. * B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea. * Phil Gramm: did not serve. * John McCain: Vietnam POW, Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. * Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve. * John M. McHugh: did not serve. * JC Watts: did not serve. * Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem, " although continued in NFL for 8 years as quarterback. * Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard. * Rudy Giuliani: did not serve. * George Pataki: did not serve. * Spencer Abraham: did not serve. * John Engler: did not serve. * Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer. * Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base. Pundits & Preachers * Sean Hannity: did not serve. * Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.') * Bill O'Reilly: did not serve. * Michael Savage: did not serve. * George Will: did not serve. * Chris Matthews: did not serve. * Paul Gigot: did not serve. * Bill Bennett: did not serve. * Pat Buchanan: did not serve. * John Wayne: did not serve. * Bill Kristol: did not serve. * Kenneth Starr: did not serve. * Antonin Scalia: did not serve. * Clarence Thomas: did not serve. * Ralph Reed: did not serve. * Michael Medved: did not serve. * Charlie Daniels: did not serve. * Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot back.)

DJ · Dec 7, 2005

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Art B, Cute. Aren't we "selective" in our list??? But, that's what y'all do is "research" and pick out what you you want. Spoon feed the masses with your agenda, just like the major media, Which is DYING, by the way-people see through the agenda. I never served, in the military, does that make MY opinion-NULL AND VOID???????

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