HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

[Tail_Gunner]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

I have never seen such mayham here on i-boat's...in the 3 years i have been here ive never seen so many people have such opinionated...negative response's. But this is a pretty crazy restore for the budget... But that is the another story..You guy's might let the story unfold......kinda like Opps thread....crazy stuff but it is his dream..let it unfold...I will tell you this if successful..we all stand to gain...

 

[ondarvr]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

TG

I think the only negative remarks relate to the budget, not the project itself and these comments have come from people that needed to do the same kind of work only on much smaller hulls and found it cost a great deal more than they expected. As a project it's fine, no different than a 18' bow rider except for the time and $$$ involved.

 

[SnappingTurtle]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

I think this is what people expected, and this is what you are now facing.

I think although they are right, they might have accomplished the same, had they just said it once. Now they can say, I TOLD YOU SO! about another twenty times, and things will calm down the further you get into the project.

You can now get on with the job at hand. Restoring & rebuilding your boat to be something you can be proud of.

It is not the end of the world, it can be done, and some here will help you do it right, with words of wisdom & experience. Some of us will just offer encouraging words.

When you are finished, you will have not only something you built, you will also have a boat that has no hidden surprises. Had you purchased the same boat, same year in a optically good condition, you would have paid close to the same, as you will pay in the end for your restored version, if not more. You would just have a boat that probably needed the same hidden structural repairs, but was complete.

Your budget is rather low balled, for the size of the boat, but the market is also in a situation that you can use to your advantage.

There are areas of the project where this will help save money, and areas where it won't. Anything you have to buy new, is not going to be any cheaper, than it was several years ago. This is the stage you are at now, and it is also what people were warning you about.

The good news (for you, not them) is there are a lot of people hurting now, and sitting on slightly used gear they can't get rid of. This you can use to your advantage in the latter stages of the project.

Don't get discouraged, get on with the job at hand. There is a light at the end of the tunnel, it is just a little bit further off, than it was the day before yesterday.

 

[proshadetree]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Dude Im sinking a lot of cash in my old bayliner.Gave 600 for boat engine was froze and busted,floors were gone and have been feeling my way as i go.Dont worry about buget.Do it as you can get deals as you find them.I can buy a running boat for what i have in this one but I bet its not going to be as solid as mine.Wife loves this one so who cares.I bought this boat for a fill in till I could get my 75 sidewinder going.The winder was refloored in 1995 got married and divorced had kids remarried boat sitting outside all the time Polly was used on floor and it is still rock solid on the old winder So ill swear by polly.

 

[jserb]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

So ASIDE from the budget can someone help me with how I am soposed to fix this! I will add 1000 for the transome work= 9000.00

 

[Tacklewasher]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Never done it, but it kinda sounds like you are a prime candidate for Seacast in the transom. Do a search here on it as a couple of people have done step by step instructions. As long as you inner and outer fiberglass is intact and you have all the transom wood out, this make be the easiest way to fix it (but not the cheapest).

 

[lundnisswa]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Great Project! You are doing great. You got one hell of a deal.
Take your time, do it right and the boat will last you a lifetime.
That Transom wood is toast; Since you already cut a chunk of the interior glass out I would cut out all of the interior fiberglass for access, grind all of the bad wood out, laminate to required thickness a quality DRY ply together, water proof the whole assembly and then Epoxy or PL the new Transom wood to the existing glass, you will have a Rock Solid Transom when done.

The Dry Rot has likely invaded all the wood in the boat, I would gut the boat, get all of the old wood out and be done with it, then build it back to your spec's and liking.
Lets face it, you have all winter long now if you have a garage big enough to work in.

You asked about cabinet grade plywood, I did some research on it and the cabinet grade ply I was looking at used the same glue as exterior ply, if I had a bunch of the stuff laying around I wouldn't hesitate to use it as long as it is encased/waterproofed.
Looking forward to watching your project progress.
The experts on this site will help get you through whatever decisions you make on rebuilding your boat.
I respect and admire you committment to sticking to a budget, keep looking and you can find the deals you need.
If you need a steal of a deal on 2 part Foam, and new fuel filler hose, give me a PM.
And remember, no matter how long this takes you-you will still finish before Oops! -- LOL
Good luck, keep going!
Lund

 

[jcsercsa]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

man that transom looks like mine here 7 months ago !! dont think you can go wih the seacast thoe, from what i have seen i will eat the budget right up ! I just have one question ar you and ooops related ??lol great work so far keep them pics comming !!!! John

 

[jserb]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

thanks lundnisswa, So Birch cabinte grade ply wood be ok? I mean this stuff is beautiful, it seems SUPER strong. If birch is ok I will use it... anyone have any objection?
In reguards to the transome, how should I attach the layers of ply together? A layer of epoxy in between and then screw it together????

 

[jcsercsa]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

thanks lundnisswa, So Birch cabinte grade ply wood be ok? I mean this stuff is beautiful, it seems SUPER strong. If birch is ok I will use it... anyone have any objection?
In reguards to the transome, how should I attach the layers of ply together? A layer of epoxy in between and then screw it together????

Hay jserb yea that will work just fine, you should coat then before you put them in ,I put 5 coat of poly on mine frist, and the glass the the next layer !! John

 

[erikgreen]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Cabinet grade ply is just fine provided it's ok for exterior use, or that you accept that if it gets wet it may separate/delaminate.

Exterior grade ply, cabinet or otherwise, and marine grade ply are typically glued with resorcinol, which is waterproof.

Myself, I figured if something got wet enough to delaminate I'd want to replace it anyway, even if it's exterior grade, to prevent rot.

Do read up on Oops' hull extension thread and on the many transom replacement threads here. They walk you through what you're doing step by step.

Erik

Edit: I'd also recommend you skip the seacast route. A 30 footer has a big, big transom and that would be very expensive to seacast.

 

[Tacklewasher]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Edit: I'd also recommend you skip the seacast route. A 30 footer has a big, big transom and that would be very expensive to seacast.

Fair enough. Never used the stuff but was just kicking out an idea.

 

[Tail_Gunner]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Cabinet grade ply is just fine provided it's ok for exterior use, or that you accept that if it gets wet it may separate/delaminate.

Exterior grade ply, cabinet or otherwise, and marine grade ply are typically glued with resorcinol, which is waterproof.

Myself, I figured if something got wet enough to delaminate I'd want to replace it anyway, even if it's exterior grade, to prevent rot.

Do read up on Oops' hull extension thread and on the many transom replacement threads here. They walk you through what you're doing step by step.

Erik

Edit: I'd also recommend you skip the seacast route. A 30 footer has a big, big transom and that would be very expensive to seacast.

Wades in....... Marine grade plywood can be purchased for 60.48 (4x8) i would not go cheap here your talking about the structure of your boat

http://www.michiganlumber.com/default.htm


Toll Free 800) 282-5707


But before you do much more it would be very helpful to develop a account @ http://photobucket.com/ and post some 800x600 pics

Before you get to the transom are your stringer's a 100% rot free? And if your not sure find someone who does know...its simple and takes little time

 

[oops!]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

the transom is easy....dont panic.....we all expected it

read lunds comments here......hes right....loose the outer layer of glass..(keep the hull intact) it will make your life a lot easyer

That Transom wood is toast; Since you already cut a chunk of the interior glass out I would cut out all of the interior fiberglass for access, grind all of the bad wood out, laminate to required thickness a quality DRY ply together, water proof the whole assembly and then Epoxy or PL the new Transom wood to the existing glass, you will have a Rock Solid Transom when done.

The Dry Rot has likely invaded all the wood in the boat, I would gut the boat, get all of the old wood out and be done with it
Lund

dont think you can go wih the seacast thoe, from what i have seen i will eat the budget right up !

forget seacast....its too expencive

Cabinet grade ply is just fine provided it's ok for exterior use, or that you accept that if it gets wet it may separate/delaminate.

Exterior grade ply, cabinet or otherwise, and marine grade ply are typically glued with resorcinol, which is waterproof.

Myself, I figured if something got wet enough to delaminate I'd want to replace it anyway, even if it's exterior grade, to prevent rot.

Do read up on Oops' hull extension thread and on the many transom replacement threads here. They walk you through what you're doing step by step.

Erik

Edit: I'd also recommend you skip the seacast route. A 30 footer has a big, big transom and that would be very expensive to seacast.

erick is one of our super gurus here at i boats .....the guy knows his stuff

cheers
oops

 

[jcsercsa]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Wades in....... Marine grade plywood can be purchased for 60.48 (4x8) i would not go cheap here your talking about the structure of your boat

http://www.michiganlumber.com/default.htm


Toll Free 800) 282-5707


But before you do much more it would be very helpful to develop a account @ http://photobucket.com/ and post some 800x600 pics

Before you get to the transom are your stringer's a 100% rot free? And if your not sure find someone who does know...its simple and takes little time

OHH man tall gunner , I live just out side of flint and I never heard of then !![I have only lived here a few years ] thanks that will work on my next boat !! John

 

[redfury]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Seacast was my dream transom material too, until I found out that it would be around $500 for my tiny 15 inch high transom ( doesn't go full width of the boat either! )...check my links if you want to see how far $500 worth of seacast would getcha.

I was afraid of the "transom" word too, but now that I've got the old one out, I'm not as worried about getting the new one back in. Stringers worry me more.

 

[maxum247]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

More pictures!

 

[ondarvr]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Decide on whether you're going to use epoxy or polyester before you go any further. Epoxy is a better product, but can be harder to use and cost a great deal more, polyester can normally found locally and if you shop around you'll find good prices. What it comes down to is what the boat will be like if you use one product or the other, in this project there will be ZERO difference in the end product. The boat was made with polyester years ago and they still are now.

The transom will be easy to fix, grind out all the wood and old glass, cut the plywood of your choice to fit then glue or glass them together. Make sure you keep the the wood as flat as possible, use angle iron or wood, plus many clamps to hold them tight and straight. When you put the wood into the boat use a couple of layers of mat between the plywood and hull, only clamp it lightly so you don't squeeze out all the resin. You'll need to use clamps and some holes drilled through the wood and the hull with bolts to get it lined up well, don't worry about the holes they can be fixed easily. Use several layers of glass over the wood, mat always gets used as the first layer then either Biax or roving, build it up as least as thick as it was originally.

This was the short version of the job, but will give you an idea of what's involved, you'll have more questions as you do it, so just ask as you go.

 

[Robj]

Re: I Just Dont Know.....

Re: I Just Dont Know.....

Well ROBJ just might get to see his day.....I have horrible news..... I was doing my inspections of the stringers for rot to see which ones needed to be replaced, turns out all of them do.

That did not make my day. Actually I would have been happier if I was wrong. I was just sharing my experiences and did not want to sound overly negative. Just calling it how I saw it.

Don't worry it can be repaired and there is alot of advice on this site to help you along with the process. Whatever you do, do not cut the outer skin of the transom. The repair will be done from the inside and the new wood will be glassed to the existing skin.

Have a great day,

Rob.

 

[Tail_Gunner]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Decide on whether you're going to use epoxy or polyester before you go any further. Epoxy is a better product, but can be harder to use and cost a great deal more, polyester can normally found locally and if you shop around you'll find good prices. What it comes down to is what the boat will be like if you use one product or the other, in this project there will be ZERO difference in the end product. The boat was made with polyester years ago and they still are now.

The transom will be easy to fix, grind out all the wood and old glass, cut the plywood of your choice to fit then glue or glass them together. Make sure you keep the the wood as flat as possible, use angle iron or wood, plus many clamps to hold them tight and straight. When you put the wood into the boat use a couple of layers of mat between the plywood and hull, only clamp it lightly so you don't squeeze out all the resin. You'll need to use clamps and some holes drilled through the wood and the hull with bolts to get it lined up well, don't worry about the holes they can be fixed easily. Use several layers of glass over the wood, mat always gets used as the first layer then either Biax or roving, build it up as least as thick as it was originally.

This was the short version of the job, but will give you an idea of what's involved, you'll have more questions as you do it, so just ask as you go.

On my project i used epoxy to glue the ply wood together making stirngers and tying them into the hull while using poly to glass over them and sealing the deck....hmmm in other words i built the stringer's with epoxy and in this case the transom to but then wrapped and finished product with poly...only a micro line of epoxy would be exposed and a far stronger bond...or not ????