How come?

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And for those that don't know.<br /><br />"Blue moon of Kentucky, keep on shining."<br />"Shine on the one that's gone and left me blue."
 

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Oh yea, there is a blue moon also.<br /><br />According to the more recent definition, a blue moon is the second full moon in a calendar month. For a blue moon to occur, the first of the full moons must appear at or near the beginning of the month so that the second will fall within the same month (the average span between two moons is 29.5 days). July 2004 had two full moons: the first on July 2, the second on July 31—that second full moon was called the blue moon. :cool:
 

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And they finally found out who lives on the dark side of the moon. No, not Pink Floyd. <br /><br />..<br /><br /><br />You're going to hate me! :D <br /><br />..<br /><br /><br />Is it worth it? Probably not.. <br /><br /><br />..<br /><br /><br />I'd leave now...<br /><br />..<br /><br /><br />..<br /><br /><br />The people who live on the dark side of the moon are :<br /><br />People who haven't paid the power bill.....<br /><br />Told you you'd hate me...
 

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Just chalk it up to a "figure of speech" JB. I don't understand it myself. Cresent moon, Quarter moon, Full moon.....Cresent moon on outhouses....who comes up with this stuff?? And why when you shoot somebody the moon, it's called shooting the moon or getting mooned....? Shouldn't it be called getting or giving the Cresent moon? Is this getting to deep?<br /><br />Achris....you are in deep do do. Power company didn't want that to git out.
 

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OK JB , here is the answer you were looking for.." In fact, the two "half Moon" phases are called First Quarter and Last Quarter because they occur when the Moon is, respectively, one- and three-quarters of the way around the sky (i.e., along its orbit) from New Moon."
 

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That also makes sense, OMC, but it doesn't explain why, when the moon is halfway through it's cycle it is a "full" moon, not a half moon.<br /><br />My problem is not with "quarters", it is with "full".
 

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OK, you all ask for it.<br /><br />The monthly cycle of the moon (we won't capitalize the word here) must have mystified early humans--"waxing" from thin crescent ("new moon") to half-moon, then to a "gibbous" moon and a full one, and afterwards "waning" to a crescent again. That cycle, lasting about 29.5 days, gave us the word "month"--related to "moon," as is "Monday."<br /> The civil year, January to December, no longer ties its months to the moon, but some traditions still do and their terms for "month" reflect the connection--in Arabic, "shahr", in biblical Hebrew "yerach" and also "chodesh" from "new," since it was reckoned from one new moon to the next. Jericho (pronounced Yericho), one of the oldest cities on Earth, took its name from "yerach," and of course, legends tell of many moon-gods and goddesses, e.g. Artemis and Diana.<br /><br /> <br /><br /> Early astronomers understood the different shapes of the moon, noting that each was linked to a certain relative position between moon and Sun: for instance, full moon always occured when moon and Sun were at opposite ends of the sky. All this suggested that the moon was a sphere, illuminated by the Sun. <br /> The moon's path across the sky was found to be close to the ecliptic, inclined to it by about 5 degrees. Eclipses of the Sun always occured when moon and Sun were due to occupy the same spot in the sky, suggesting that the moon was nearer to us and obscured the Sun. Eclipses of the moon, similarly, always occured at full moon, with the two on opposite sides of the Earth, and could be explained by the shadow of the Earth falling on the moon. <br /><br /> Lunar eclipses allowed the Greek astronomer Aristarchus, around 220 BC, to estimate the distance to the moon. If the moon and the Sun followed exactly the same path across the sky, eclipses of both kinds would happen each month. <br /><br />Actually they are relatively rare, because the 5-degree angle between the paths only allows eclipses when Sun and moon are near one of the points where the paths intersect.<br /><br /> The cycle from each new moon to next one takes 29.5 days, but the actual orbital period of the moon is only 27.3217 days. That is the time it takes the moon to return to (approximately) the same position among the stars.<br /><br /> <br /><br /> Why the difference? Suppose we start counting from the moment when the moon in its motion across the sky is just overtaking the Sun; we will call this the "new moon," even though the thin crescent of the moon will only be visible some time later, and only shortly after sunset. Wait 27.3217 days: the moon has returned to approximately the same place in the sky, but the Sun has meanwhile moved away, on its annual journey around the heavens. It takes the moon about 2 more days to catch up with the Sun, to the position of the next "new moon," which is why times of the new moon are separated by 29.5 days.<br /><br />The Face of the Moon<br /> The visible face of the moon has light and dark patches, which people interpreted in different ways, depending on their culture. Europeans see a face and talk of "the man in the moon" while children in China and Thailand recognize "the rabbit in the moon." All agree, however, that the moon does not change, that it always presents the same face to Earth.<br /> Does that mean the moon doesn't rotate? No, it does rotate--one rotation for each revolution around Earth! <br /> <br /><br /><br /> We need to go aboard a spaceship and fly halfway around the Moon before we get a view of its other side. <br /><br />The Gravity Gradient<br /> This strange rotation of the moon is maintained because the moon is slightly elongated along the axis which points towards earth. To understand the effect we look at the motion of a body with a much more pronounced elongation--an artificial satellite with the shape of a symmetric dumbbell.<br /> <br /> Actually, the long axis of the Moon does not always point exactly to the center of the Earth, but swings back and forth around that direction, a motion known as libration. Most of this is caused because the Moon rotates around its axis with a fixed period, while its motion around its orbit slows down far from Earth and speeds up close to it. This speeding up and slowing down is the result of Kepler's 2nd law, discussed in section 12, and is a rather small effect, since the moon's orbit is very close to circular. <br /><br /> Because of libration, even though at any time only half the Moon is visible, over time 59% can be seen, since it lets astronomers look at the Moon from slightly different viewing directions.<br /><br /> <br /><br />Earthshine<br /> At times when only a narrow crescent of the Moon is seen (e.g. a "new moon"), one can also see the rest of the Moon faintly outlined. The Sun now shines on almost all of the side of the moon turned away from Earth (those calling that "the dark side of the moon" are quite wrong!) and therefore it also illuminates most of the side of the Earth facing the moon. If you were standing on the moon at that time, a "full Earth" would shine brightly in your sky, and the faint "earthshine" of the darker part of the moon is just the reflection of some of that bright earthlight. <br /> Earthshine is of interest to scientists, because its brightness is contributed by all the factors which turn back sunlight before it manages to heat the Earth--light reflected from the ground and from clouds, and light scattered back by dust and small particles ("aerosols") in the atmosphere. In a time when atmospheric scientists are trying to assess heating of the Earth by the greenhouse effect, earthshine measures a process which works in the opposite direction, reducing the heat our planet receives. <br /><br /> The fraction of light reflected is hard to estimate theoretically, but earthshine allows it to be measured. According to recent reports, this fraction has been growing, reducing the amount of sunlight received by Earth and canceling about 1/3 of the greenhouse heating.<br /><br />Now, there ya go
 

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Thanks SBN. Very informative. Where'd ya learn all that?<br /><br />Chris..........
 

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Yes, SBN, but did you know that the "dark side of the moon" is actually brighter than the side we see? The side of the moon that faces away from Earth has been impacted a great deal more than the side faceing us, and the ejecta that is blown up from the moons surface is chalky and light colored, therefore, if we could turn the moon around, nights with a full moon would be very bright.
 

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Informative stuff, SBN and OMC, but neither explains why "full" is only twice as much as a "quarter". I still say it should be a half moon, or the "quarters" should be half moons.<br /><br />I'll bet the Greeks or the Romans had a hand in this deception.
 

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Quarter because it's a quarter of the way through the cycle.<br /><br />'New Moon' = zero quarters = 0 days.<br />'1st quarter' = one quarter = 7.375 days.<br />'Full moon' = two quarters = 14.75 days. Called 'full' because you see all of it. <br />'3rd quarter' = three quarters = 22.125 days.<br />back to 'New'.<br /><br />I know you probably actually know all this, but I suspect a bit of a troll, JB. :D <br /><br />Chris..........
 

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Originally posted by achris:<br />'Full moon' = two quarters = 14.75 days. Called 'full' because you see all of it. <br />
No, you only see half of it... ;)
 

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just take it at face value ... :D <br /><br />sorry couldn't resist
 

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Thanks Barlow. Are these people really this thick or are they trolling?<br /><br />
Originally quoted by Gaugeguy<br />No, you only see half of it..
That's rich, coming from someone who just zapped himself. :D (sorry GG, couldn't let that opportunity pass)<br /><br />
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Originally posted by achris:<br /> That's rich, coming from someone who just zapped himself. :D <br /><br />DOH :D :D
 

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Even a second grader knows that 2 quarters is a half.
 

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Think of it this way.<br /><br />Take a glass, a nice big one, the bigger the better. Put it on the kitchen benchtop. Crouch down so you are level with the glass. Now fill it all the way to the top with your favorite beer. Does the glass look full? (if it doesn't, keep filling). If the answer is yes, then think about the fact that you can only see the front side of the glass. By the previous arguements it's only half full! <br /><br />Now you're done experimenting, empty the glass. Not down the sink! Drink it! <br /><br />Still confused? Repeat the experiment and post the results. :D <br /><br />Chrish...........
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