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GA_Boater

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Googling is searching, so I wouldn't find fault with that. Except for Googling the stuff that should come naturally from schoolin'. :eek:
 

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I've had two employees in their 20's doing auto repair, went to school too, but if they need to solve a problem they head straight for Google. Sad.

I admit i google things.... However its usually exploded parts diagrams or TSBs or manuals. The basics of wrench turning and building stuff came early at 3 because i wanted to be like dad. However dad also had a stack of manuals that i read well before shop classes in school

BTW, love your signature
 

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I check Google to make certain I am doing something right. When Google says the opposite I know I am right.
 

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I admit i google things.... However its usually exploded parts diagrams or TSBs or manuals. The basics of wrench turning and building stuff came early at 3 because i wanted to be like dad. However dad also had a stack of manuals that i read well before shop classes in school

BTW, love your signature


[/QUOTE]Googling is searching, so I wouldn't find fault with that. Except for Googling the stuff that should come naturally from schoolin'. :eek:
I love Google. It's a incredibly useful tool for the above mentioned reasons. Those of us that grew up in the age of books look at it differently. 25 yrs. ago auto shops had walls of Mitchell, Chilton and Motor shop manuals. Everything on the computer now is a HUGE improvement. I also grew up reading everything I could get my hands on concerning cars, racing etc. As kids we were OUTSIDE taking anything mechanical apart trying to figure out how it worked. In automotive school we learned basic diagnostic skills. And we had mentors. As many have said, now the millennials need a answer right now. Their just not "wired" the same. On any technical forum all we can do is try and mentor even if it's just one person.

Scott, Enzo Ferrari just might be the greatest automotive innovator ever. That is a great quote by him, never heard it before.
 

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i still have my motor manuals going back to the mid 60's that I got from Dad. I also have about 75 fischer body manuals that I couldnt give away spanning late 60's to late 80's.....literally, been trying to give them away,
 

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You'd think the fisher body manuals would have some value to classic gm car restorers?
 

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Dumb generalized thread titles get my goat. Things like: I need help asap, or just help. When I have a question, I always try to give the reader as detailed description as possible as a title. This will attract viewers which may be familiar with my scenario.

Oh, and as a 60 year old...I hear all of you concerning today's generation of instant gratification. Seems they are all in a hurry when it comes to just about every aspect of their lives. They want instant answers. They drive way too fast. Boat way too fast and don't even know the proper navigation rules. Respect has been gone for a while too. They feel they are protected in the car or boat and all courtesy is gone out the window.

Rant over...let's go boating!
 

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Dumb generalized thread titles get my goat. Things like: I need help asap, or just help. When I have a question, I always try to give the reader as detailed description as possible as a title. This will attract viewers which may be familiar with my scenario.

Oh, and as a 60 year old...I hear all of you concerning today's generation of instant gratification. Seems they are all in a hurry when it comes to just about every aspect of their lives. They want instant answers. They drive way too fast. Boat way too fast and don't even know the proper navigation rules. Respect has been gone for a while too. They feel they are protected in the car or boat and all courtesy is gone out the window.

Rant over...let's go boating!

My fave thread title - Their username.
 

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Dumb generalized thread titles get my goat. Things like: I need help asap, or just help. When I have a question, I always try to give the reader as detailed description as possible as a title. This will attract viewers which may be familiar with my scenario.

Oh, and as a 60 year old...I hear all of you concerning today's generation of instant gratification. Seems they are all in a hurry when it comes to just about every aspect of their lives. They want instant answers. They drive way too fast. Boat way too fast and don't even know the proper navigation rules. Respect has been gone for a while too. They feel they are protected in the car or boat and all courtesy is gone out the window.

Rant over...let's go boating!

I think it was Aristotle that said something similar of the new generation he lived with.
 

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i still have my motor manuals going back to the mid 60's that I got from Dad. I also have about 75 fischer body manuals that I couldnt give away spanning late 60's to late 80's.....literally, been trying to give them away,

I hope my wife doesn't see your post. My wife was in the shop one day and asked why I have a cabinet full of factory manuals for cars I don't own any more. I told her that they are valuable and will help her live the life of ease after my passing. The oldest is for a 1941 Oldsmobile as GM quit issuing them during the war it was for my fathers 1947 Olds. Nothing but the trim changed on those cars until 1949 when a new one was printed.
 

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I am sure I have fit in to the category of frustrating newbies already, and I do sincerely apologize for that. On behalf of newbies though, I would like to explain.

To me, there are 4 types of boaters.

1. The boater who has the money to buy whatever he wants (be it old or new) and then has the money to pay someone else to fix it.
2. The boater that has the money to buy a decent boat for fun, but can't afford to pay someone else to do all of the repairs needed, so he looks for help but is pretty boat savvy.
3. The boater who buys what he can afford and thinks he got a great deal, realizes real quick that it needs a LOT of stuff that he can't afford to have someone else do, wants a boat for fun, but really doesn't have much boat knowledge but is pretty good with instructions and can figure things out.
4. The boater who could be any of the 3 when they started, but now - they have the knowledge and experience and are willing to come here to help.

Most new people are going to be #3, while you guys are #4. This may be their first message board even. They could have found this placing googling "why won't my boat work" and ended up here. They don't know what that thingy madoogle next to the round whatchamacallit is, or why it is connected to the widget with the thingy mabob. So its really hard to use the search to find the thread on here from 6 weeks ago about the same thing with someone else. Not saying that is an excuse, just saying that's how it ends up.

Me - I am a knowledge hound. I love learning stuff. On our project (my son and I are co-owners), we have different styles. He is an aircraft mechanic on KC-135's. He's like " I ordered a shop manual and it will be here in 7-10 days." and I am like "this website - you can ask a question and they can tell you what you need to know!". I do love shop manuals, but they tell you how to put something back together correctly. It doesn't tell you how to narrow down the problem based on if the motor went "cachug, cachug, cachingy-dingy, cachug" versus "cachug, cachug, cachuggy-duggy, cachug" like real world experience from you guys does. But if I have that question - how do i even begin to phrase it in a knowledgeable question?? LOL

I guess what I am saying is - yes, we newbs can do better about how we ask a question and what info we give. But please understand - we don't always know what is what in order to ask it right. Boats are different (as you know). I know my way around car engines, my son can work on about any plane, but just imagine how we both scratched our heads when we saw water pouring out of the exhaust. We were both like "the head must have a crack in the water jacket letting water in to the exhaust - but HOW IS IT EVEN RUNNING?!?!?! Now for you guys, you'd have just shook your heads and laughed at us (and probably are right now) but to us - we had a HUGE problem. lol

Lastly I would like to say - thank you all. I did get scolded a little bit for not reading more, but I read these threads every chance I get (which has been a lot in the last week). I have learned so much in the last few weeks from reading and reading and reading. Yeah I've asked a few dumb questions, but I am a newbie. That's what we are for.

Well I said lastly, but this is really lastly. I will leave with a joke that sort of fits--
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A group of men were sitting around a table at a bar. One would say to the other an number, and the rest would laugh and laugh. First guy - " 15!" and they rolled with laughter. The next guy - " 182!" and they cackled like school kids. Next guy " 1,498!" and they just bellowed out with laughter. Finally, a young guy and the bar couldn't fight the curiosity any longer. He walks over and says " Excuse me, I really hate to intrude on your evening, but curiosity is killing me. Why are the numbers so funny?"

One of the men says "Son, we are the International Joke Teller Society, and we have every joke in the world numbered. We tell them so much that we don't even tell the jokes anymore, we just tell the number because we all know what they are." The younger man says - "That's so interesting. Mind if I try?" "Sure" they say. So the young man proceeds.

"945". Nothing. "11,491". Nothing. "898!" Nothing. The young man gets mad and walks away. One guy looks at the others and says "some can tell 'em, some can't".
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That's sort of like message boards in general. If the new people don't come along and ask the dumb, stupid questions - then the long-timers won't have anything to do except sit around and discuss topics by number. :)
 

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AlabamaNewbie , if no one has said it before, welcome aboard......we encourage questions, we encourage those that seek knowledge. however we also really like answers that are articulate and ask a defined question..... not just help, my boat is broken.....and its 3 pages into a thread prior to painfully getting the question out and what is the person working on.

we generally dont care that someone may not know a term or what they are doing. we do get frustrated telling the same person the same answer repeatedly.

most of the FAQ's are answered in the stickies.
 

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AlabamaNewbie. Excellent post and points. I fit is a slightly different category of boaters. I always fished out of a rented tinny or my good friend's 12' Sears cartopper. I looked at boats for the last 40 years. Finally after looking and looking I could not find a Best Before date on my body so I said screw this I'm getting the boat I always wanted and bought a used StarCraft Superfisherman 190, perfect for fishing where we live on the north shore of Lake Erie. The only knowledge I had was where the plug went and the pointy end was the front. It really wasn't in the budget to do the maintenance done at the Marina at 100 Samolians an hour but I had no choice. I was lucky to meet the son of a kid I went to Kindergarten with, man I'm getting old. He worked at a local Marina and told me he works from home as well, big score for me. So for the first 2 years I paid for everything from winterizing to installing electronics until I met the kid. I'm not mechanically inclined, I know righty tighty, lefty loosey, zero electrical. I had to call my Electricians at the plant to change my flashlight batteries. I've tried. When I was a young man to maintain my cars, bikes and trucks and ended up doing more damage than good. I guess what I am trying to say I was in the category of boat owner that had all maintenance done and really couldn't afford it but bit the bullet and paid. Many I see with boats borrow money to buy and really can not afford the purchase let alone running it. Something has to give and many times they don't maintain their boats because they can't because they simply don't have the money. So the boat gets neglected and they end up in the driveway or behind the barn and there they sit for years.

I have to say from searching here on iboats, watching You Tube videos( when I see the same procedure by 3 different guys I went with it) hanging around with a few oldtimer pals that would tinker with boats as a hobby that is now a full service Marine shop and talking a small engine course a while back I now am confident that I won't destroy my boat and outboards changing a fuel filter.

Again great post and welcome aboard.

PS, I was in Shreveport years ago on a job in a Plant, man it can get hot down there, Blast Furnace in July hot.
 

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Yep that post sure leaves the newbie open to constructed criticism. I say stupidity can't be blamed on the individual, it's a DNA thing, they can't help it, it's passed on through the gene pool. Sometimes it skips a generation or an offspring. I didn't get through High School, my brother has a PHD. Or is it the other way around, he may read this.
 

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Using some capitalization helps when posting, too.

Is there a difference between "I'm helping my Uncle Jack off a horse." and "i'm helping my uncle jack off a horse."?

Purely rhetorical, no answers needed - Just making a point.
 
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