WE all make enemys, Guess he made some big ones.Originally posted by txswinner:<br /> Anyone heard our friend Rush address his line on this domestic spying. As he fights invasion of his drug addictions, I would think he must oppose the governments domestic program.
BoatBouy,<br />Those that do not study history, are doomed to repeat it. The true definition of crazy is to do the same thing over and over and expect a different out come. We must be smarter and swifter than our adversaries in order to defeat them.Originally posted by BoatBuoy:<br /> Limited-Time,<br /> If you continue to look backward rather than forward, you'll most certainly stumble.
If leftys were the powerful enemys why would rightys spy? not logical as spock would say.Originally posted by txswinner:<br /> Righties deserve credit for that.
Jose Padilla.<br /><br />He's a US citizen arrested for conspiring to plant a dirty bomb, or so we were told. He was arrested in the US and sent to Guantanamo Bay. Held for two years, never allowed to meet privately with his attorney. The Supreme Court said either charge him or let him go, so he was charged with attempting to assassinate the president. Wow! Where did that come from?!? And no charge of a dirty bomb. Ok, so now its attempting to assassinate the pres Padilla needs an arraignment, and a bail hearing. I dont think that has happened, yet.<br /><br />Padilla is/was a very high profile case. We were assured over and over Jose Padilla was a terrorist that was going to plant a dirty bomb and they could prove it when called to do so. Who says so? The same folks that assured us Richard Jewell, the guy arrested for planting the bomb in Atlanta during the Olympics, was the bomber. Jewell sued the gvt, and collected, when it was proven he did NOT plant the bomb. Remember the FBI assuring us over and over Jewell was the bomber, they could prove it. Turns out Eric Rudolph planted that bomb.<br /><br />There is a reason why we have the checks and balances in place that we do. It is incredibly stupid to allow any variance from those checks and balances. Im starting to think maybe we are just as stupid to take anyones word for what is going on regarding natl security issues.Originally posted by POINTER94:<br /> I still haven't heard the name of one american citizen whose rights have been violated. All these rights being violated, exactly who.
Well said. There is nothing new going on here. Just hype for a political agenda. Nuff said.Originally posted by waterone1:<br /> For everyone that keeps bring up "rights", please tell me where, in the constitution or any of it's amendments, that it states a court is needed DURRING WARTIME for the president or the defense department to eavesdrop on conversations ( please don't use the tired old "unlawful search and seizure argument)? <br />In the war powers act, where does it say that a judge is needed or that communication monitoring must cease immediately if one party is in the U.S. ?<br />Times have changed, we are no-longer dealing with a recognized, state-sponsored enemy that wears uniforms. We are dealing with cowards that hide amognst women and children and try to fly "below the radar". That does not make them any less deadly ( think of 911). We have been listening in on communications of our enemies for decades. The difference is that these days, just a few people that may even be here in the US, can cause serious damage. They no longer need a 2000 watt transmitter or need an operator to place (what once was a rare) over seas call, they can do it from a pre-paid cell phone. Our enemies no longer need to smuggle a tractor trailer full of explosives to do damage to us, they can do it with a suitcase. <br />Cry all you want about how the government hasn't done everything the 911 commision asked for,just don't object to a well founded intelligence gathering technique. Do you really think Atta and his gang from 911 didn't make a few cell calls to each other first ?<br />Finally, if you happen to be get arrested for talking to your brother-in-law, on your cell phone, about cheating on your taxes, then post that....we'll be in agreement that government spying has gone too far. If you know of a person that got arrested for any domestic crime that came from an "illegal" wiretap, let us all know....that would be a first.
In case anyone was waiting for my opinion, here ya go. "Dittoes", Heycods.Originally posted by heycods:<br /> Hes stuck in a rut. Gee be like me Call a troll a troll. Frog my dog can whip your rabid cat. If he cant he will trick him into going gator fishing with him for the bait.<br />never mind I found that puppy![]()
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OK, to answer your question....yes I believe I have heard him address it. <br />Anyone heard our friend Rush address his line on this domestic spying. As he fights invasion of his drug addictions, I would think he must oppose the governments domestic program. <br />
Now we have given up search and seizure limits under our constitution, anyone for giving up our weapons??? Just another constitutional right we have. Heck if the terrorist had no guns we could kick their butts.<br /><br />This is one of those ideals where I become a strong member of the Reich wing. Do not mess with my guns..
Wrong again JB, the spying includes domestic communications not just international. <br />
rolmops, You have my apology and your reasoning is sound, I shall hereafter refrain from the use of the term in question. That is not done out of threat of censureship but because it does offend you as an individual; and that, I do respect. Again my heartfelt apologies and promise.
Note how the administration has avoided the issue of consitutional wrong by launching an investigation into who released the information. Hey, that guy should be protected by the "Whistle Blower Act" or something. <br /><br />Either party, I am not big on giving up my Constitutional rights. Since when does one get to change the Constitution they were elected under at will. This is wrong whether it is Bush, Clinton, all the way back to the George Washington and anyone who disagrees is would have disagreed with our independence from Britain back in 1776 or thereabout. <br />
Here's two.<br /><br /> 1. They already seized Rush's medical records ( unlawfully) and reviewed it. 2. No charges have been filed.The original thread was directed toward the leader of the right Rush Limburger thinks about gathering personal information by the government, anyone wonder why no one addressed that issue although we are at the point of attacking Al Gore.<br /><br /> Er ....cause you brought him ( Algore) up and noone else but me was willing to bite. I would like to see one reply from the one of the folks that support his ideals
What about Rush. <br />
No protectors of the voice of this great country Rush. <br />
Well, Rush is right again. The more the new liberal base talks outloud the better. Looks like hes under TXS's skin pretty deep. It must pain you very much that after two years he still has not been charged and his radio show rages (boy!, I say RAGES! ..on...heheRighties deserve credit for that. <br />
I can show where it says in the constitution that congress must declare war before we are at war. Will that work?<br /><br />Originally posted by waterone1:<br /> For everyone that keeps bring up "rights", please tell me where, in the constitution or any of it's amendments, that it states a court is needed DURRING WARTIME for the president or the defense department to eavesdrop on conversations ( please don't use the tired old "unlawful search and seizure argument)? <br />In the war powers act, ...
Revisit what I wrote yesterday morning about "the slippery slope", half way up this thread.Finally, if you happen to be get arrested for talking to your brother-in-law, on your cell phone, about cheating on your taxes, then post that....we'll be in agreement that government spying has gone too far. If you know of a person that got arrested for any domestic crime that came from an "illegal" wiretap, let us all know....that would be a first.