<br />It would appear you really,really want this thread to stay derailed on my particular faith in God and his son,Jesus Christ. Whatever. I have no clue what you are twisting-into that quote, but it should be self-explanitory to you. You seem like an otherwise very bright person. <br />The quote above, in no way calls you a liar, but the shoe does seem to fit,now that you regurgitate it all. I AM getting a little tired of your continued attempts at DECEPTION (It is misleading) It would qualify you as a "liar", even tho I never called you a liar..I realise it was probably not your intent to decieve, but I'm just pointing-out the facts as I see them. The misled-to-liar connection was YOUR OWN. And I do point to deciet with your continued attempts to blame Christianity for the majority of the ills in public school, and with this government. Let me try one more time here;<br />I don't pretend to be an expert on all things Christian.But your posts would also indicate you are far from an expert on the subject. So when it comes to Christianity, I'll stick to what I know and love. I hope you are doing the same. <br /><br />
Originally posted by woodrat:<br /><br />And now you are calling ME a liar! with no reference of course to what exactly I've lied about...<br />
<br />Where? I again inform you,I never made such a connection until you pointed it out to me that thru your efforts to mislead and decieve, (by decieve or mislead, your posts center upon {, Christians are trying to take over the public school system, wanting to erradicate non-Christians,such rot as that}). <br /><br />
Originally posted by woodrat:<br /> <br />Funny that you're getting so worked up. never in this entire thread have I disagreed with you about the fact that the declaration of independence belongs in school. Not once!
<br />This prooves that your intent is not to debate the opriginal subject of this thread, but to mislead by redirecting the debate to Christianity,and in particular, Christianity with Happy (yes, I am happy) Christians here on iboats, who you perceive, are trying to take-over the schools or control the government.In other words,I cite the following;(your words)<br /><br />
Originally posted by woodrat:<br /> <br />However, since you christians are comprised of the same kind of fallible humans as the rest of us un-saved masses, it should be obvious that I don't want fallible and politically motivated and imperfect HUMAN christians deciding that certain select parts of their faith be foisted off on the rest of us, by coercion through the law, or by evangelizing to a captive audience of schoolchildren. That needn't "rip away" your rights to worship and believe how you please,<br />UNLESS what you please is to write your religion into law.To me and many others, that starts to tread into the territory of a government sponsored religion, which the constitution does proscribe against.
<br /><br />You stated in the very paragraph above THIS one;<br />"
Funny that you're getting so worked up. never in this entire thread have I disagreed with you about the fact that the declaration of independence belongs in school. Not once!"<br />And yet,----"
since you christians are comprised of the same kind of fallible humans as the rest of us un-saved masses, it should be obvious that I don't want fallible and politically motivated and imperfect HUMAN christians deciding that certain select parts of their faith be foisted off on the rest of us, by coercion through the law, or by evangelizing to a captive audience of schoolchildren".-----<br /><br /> Which is it ?Include Christians, or erradicate Christians?<br />
Originally posted by woodrat:<br /> THAT is what I am against. And I gather from talking to many self -described christians that THAT is exactly what many of them would love to do. And all your riled up "bilge" hasn't convinced me one bit that you would not join in such an effort if it were to come to that.
<br />And again,THIS is what deciet would be. How many have done that? Pat Robertson? I agree, he is out there! And so was Jim Jones with the koolaid. There are an extremely small percentage of "smokers" in Christian society, just as in all walks of life. But if those guys define Christianity to you, you have been SORELY misled! The country crawls with mentally-unstable people, Mark. Christianity does not have the market cornered there by a long shot. Even the former "Black Panther" leader, Jessie Jackson calls himself "reverand",but never spent one day in seminary training, (until much later in life, and then, only to silence real Christians from pointing this fact out). Most
REAL Christian teachers (IE pastors,priests,men-of-cloth,"reverends") went to Christian colleges, to learn from whence they speak first, before being assigned a church,But ANYONE can build a "church", or call themself, "Reverend".<br />You seem very interested in the entire subject Christianity, as it pertains to organised religion. Keep in mind that every sect,cult,faith,writing,study,religion is populated and conducted by humans,
All of which are not only capable of sin, but are pretty good at it. The only difference between you and I, is I talk to my creator daily, and I pray to God thru Jesus, like the book I study has taught me. But NOBODY needs that book, Mark, to talk to God. I would sugjest you keep with that healthy interest, and work with it.I have no desire to wipe
non-Christians off the face of the Earth like some sick,modern version of the "Crusades". I am no different from any other person, in that I do not want to be persicuted, or removed to a concentration camp ,where I can't influence anyone, have my history re-written to delete references to God, ect.<br />I will try to prevent that with my life. It hasn't happened yet, but just do a search thru our recent Christian history,(about the last 35years or so), of how life for the common Christian has changed here in America, and around the globe. It should set-off alarms in your head in short order! We are not that far removed from Stalin's purges as our freedoms would have us believe.
<br />You are correct about the use of the term Allah.<br />I will bet some non thinking Christian bashers would fall for it though and think they got one over. 
