Can talk radio change you?

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The reason that liberal talk shows fail is twofold: first, there is no substance in the liberal message that hasn't been proven incorrect already, and second, liberals in general don't truly care enough about the issues to listen to one of their own for more than the duration of the 12-second sound bite. They'd rather just chant three "No WMDs in Iraq!" and move on to their FM stations and listen to rap "songs" about bein' ****s.<br /><br /> ;)
 

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Originally posted by dogsdad:<br /> The reason that liberal talk shows fail is twofold: first, there is no substance in the liberal message that hasn't been proven incorrect already, and second, liberals in general don't truly care enough about the issues to listen to one of their own for more than the duration of the 12-second sound bite. They'd rather just chant three "No WMDs in Iraq!" and move on to their FM stations and listen to rap "songs" about bein' ****s.<br /><br /> ;)
See, that's what we're talkin' bout when we say Limbaugh just makes stuff up. Like "truly don't care enough about the issues." And "hasn't already been proven incorrect."<br /><br />Let's see, where's the first mention of "no WMD in Iraq" in this thread...dogsdad? what a surprise! and he attributes it to the so-called "liberals." Just like Rush.<br /><br />Is that the kind of rational, not-emotional, argument that eeboater was talkin bout?<br /><br />Don't believe everything you hear on talk radio!<br /><br /> :)
 

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dogsdad,<br /><br />I believe it goes even deeper. If it doesn't involve abortion or raising taxes or usurping individuals rights they don't have a clue what their position is. Look at the war. I voted for it but now I changed my mind. They had full access to the information that Bush did but with no real principals they cannot put together a coherant platform.<br /><br /> http://www.factcheck.org/article358.html <br /><br />Heck, look at Clinton just last week in Dubai. There he was for pulling out then 48 hrs later he changed his position.<br /><br />Vietnam, what can I say but thanks to JFK. And once he committed us, they changed their minds.<br /><br />Last week they wanted immediate pull out, so a resolution was drafted to say just that and guess what, only three voted for it. Pass the crack pipe please.<br /><br />When Clinton was in office they all rattled their plastic swords saying that Iraq posed a direct threat, and in Rockafellers words Imminent threat. Bush declares war and guess what, Bush lied. Kool-aid anyone?<br /><br />They claim to be the party of high ethics, unless you lie to a judge to save a political career.<br /><br />They support the troops while their only two living democratic former presidents are running around bashing this country in foreign countries. Hint: that isn't suppporting the troops. They are truely disgraces.<br /><br />They want campaign finance reform, yet they get cash from buddist monks with a vow of poverty, and outraise the Republicans the past several elections. Confused? Who wouldn't be.<br /><br />They want to raise taxes, but when there is a tax cut, the federal treasury fills up? They never speak of this, and as far as I can tell they just don't have the grey matter to understand it. It's pretty simple but the tactic of class envy falls apart when this is brought to light..<br /><br />Remember the Wellstone funeral, this is the big hearted party of sensitivity and caring. That rally (funeral) is the best arguement for gun control I have ever seen.<br /><br />They support the military while trashing the CIC? Then say that isn't inconsistant?<br /><br />Cheney is feeding haliburton or so is the claim. Mr. Murtha in the past 6 months has funneled 20million in military contracts to companies represented by his brother. Bet that is the first time you heard that. Liberal media just takin a little snooze. <br /><br />Anyone remember who coined the phrase "politics of personal destruction"? Yep those engaged in it right now.<br /><br />Heck, thats just scrating the surface. But trying to put together a network to attract an audience supporting their track record is an impossible task. What do you get when you try? Pure Hate..
 

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Quote by jason j: <br />I am all for keeping the speckle-throated arse trout from dying off, but I don't want to ride a horse to work to achieve that. <br /> ROFLMOA :D <br /> <br /><br />QC I dont know if it changes you or not. I think that a person already knows what they think is right, and what they hear reenforces their beliefs.I dont know if its so much WHOS right or wrong,but who YOU think is right or wrong.So maybe not so much change , but more enlightenment?BTW, you are a brave man to listen to that garbage.I heard it for about 2 minutes and had to turn the channel
 

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Politicians will be politicians.<br /><br />Bush officials said before the Iraq invasion that Iraq posed an "imminent threat" to U.S. security and that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and even nuclear weapons; after the invasion, they denied saying the word "imminent", even though they were caught on tape.<br /><br />"The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." - George W. Bush, Sept. 13, 2001 <br /><br />"I don't know where he is. I have no idea, and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - George W. Bush, March 13, 2002 <br /><br />We could go on, *** for tat. <br /><br />Kay Bailey Hutchinson (R - Texas) on Clinton perjury: "the importance of absolute truth in legal proceedings is the foundation of our justice system in the courts. To say otherwise would be to severely lower the moral and legal standards of accountability that are imposed on ordinary citizens every day." (2/19/99)<br /><br />Mrs. Hutchinson on Scooter Libbey:<br />"And secondly, I certainly hope that if there is going to be an indictment that says something happened, that it is an indictment on a crime and not some perjury technicality...." (10/23/05)<br /><br />pass the kool-aid, please<br /><br />"...but when there is a tax cut, the federal treasury fills up..." Not sure...is this your point or the "liberal" point? Either way, I can remember the last time this country had a balanced budget, and there was not a republican in the White House. I can't remember a republican president ever submitting a balanced budget for review, but I'm only 46 years old.<br /><br />One president lies in a press conference, the next lies in the State of the Union Address. In the immortal words of Roger Daltry, "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."
 

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Hey something strange just happened, sounds like my roof caved in. Not kiddin. Insomnia might have paid a dividend tonight best check it out.
 

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pointer I hope its just santa clause and not a snow collapse. are ya getting snow there yet? I see on the weather channel some great lakes areas are gonna get hammered soon.<br /> <br /> as far as news I love the daily show, so far its about as accurate as the rest and a whole lot funnier.<br /> the cobert report looks like it was written by the same writers that do the current admins speeches only for some reason makes more sense :) :) .<br /> but ya gotta admit its funny, if ya cant give straight up unbiased fact ya may as well be funny :) :)
 

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Originally posted by jtexas:<br /> See, that's what we're talkin' bout when we say Limbaugh just makes stuff up. Like "truly don't care enough about the issues." And "hasn't already been proven incorrect."<br /><br />Let's see, where's the first mention of "no WMD in Iraq" in this thread...dogsdad? what a surprise! and he attributes it to the so-called "liberals." Just like Rush.<br /><br />Is that the kind of rational, not-emotional, argument that eeboater was talkin bout?<br /><br />Don't believe everything you hear on talk radio!<br /><br /> :)
So condensing this mindset ---- "Rush's lies explain his popularity"?! That's a first in talk radio.<br />(or anywhere else media is sold...Including ditches in texas.)
 

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Sorry, jtexas, I figured that out on my own. Your criticism has no legs.<br /><br />Liberal talk radio will never succeed, and I'll expound on the reasons why: as I said, the bulk of those who subscribe to liberal ideas prefer to invest themselves in political thought for no more than about 30 seconds at a time. They are simply preoccupied. As I said, they would rather say their daily "Bush sucks" three times and move on to their usual non-cerebral pursuits. They are driven by the "what's-in-it-for-me" outlook, and that's all they care to think about. A logical progression of ideas takes too much effort and takes them somewhere they don't want to go---meaning they might arrive at conclusions like "I am ultimately responsible for my own livelihood and well-being" or "I would be wrong to expect to be able to raise my family while working at McDonald's flipping burgers, and planning to send my children to Harvard."<br /><br />Ooooohhhh, change the station pleeeease! *scuuuhhhreeeeeeonkk*<br /><br />I be ****in' in the hood<br />No need fo' no good<br />And dat man who make me wuhk<br />He be nuttin but a juhk.<br />Shoot dem cops!<br />Shoot dem Good!<br />I'M da law<br />In mah neighbo'hood!<br /><br />It ain't none o' my fault,<br />ain't MY bad, ain't MY bad...<br /><br />"aahhhh...that's more like it...good mind-numbing entertainment full of social value! Bush sucks! What? They have elections in November? Every four years? When did they start that?"<br /><br />-dd-
 

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So tell me,what is right and what is left.To me Rush limbaugh is ultra right wing, to some he is center and I believe there are those who call him a leftist.<br />I like listening to NPR mostly because I feel they are neither left nor right and let democrats and republicans have their say.Most of all There is no advertisement interest forcing them to cater to a certain IQ level in the general public with a certain tendency to go either left or right of center.<br />Please do not forget that commercial radio is bought and paid for by either business or special interest.<br />Try listening to NPR "car talk" or "live from the mountain stage" or the "news from lake Wobegon".<br />There is no political message, there is just some happy good time sharing.
 

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Rolmops, I'll agree with you on a certain point...and that is, we tend to try to pigeonhole political thought linearly, and that really isn't adequate. Come to think of it, is that a natural consequence of a two-party system? Hmmm...anyway, I believe that if you go far enough to the right, you'll end up on the left and vice-versa (the circle instead of a line). Then again, that's still two-dimensional thinking, and maybe we really need a three-dimensional model...but that's where it all gets too complicated. Throw in the fourth dimension (time) and things really get complicated.
 

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the biggest problem I see is sometimes and quite often most times, seemingly rational folks will back an idiot just cause he/she is in the "party". thats gotta stop. <br /> but I still say the news ya get from the daily show or the Cobert report is as accurate as Fox,CNN or msnbc and a whale of a lot funnier.
 

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The biggest problem I see is sometimes and quite often most times [sic], seemingly rational folks will throw the term "idiot" around like they own it and they are the sole arbiters and last word in the labeling of idiots. That's gotta stop. <br /><br />Who would you like to call an idiot, rodbolt?
 

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Originally posted by 12Footer:<br />
Originally posted by jtexas:<br /> See, that's what we're talkin' bout when we say Limbaugh just makes stuff up. Like "truly don't care enough about the issues." And "hasn't already been proven incorrect."<br /><br />Let's see, where's the first mention of "no WMD in Iraq" in this thread...dogsdad? what a surprise! and he attributes it to the so-called "liberals." Just like Rush.<br /><br />Is that the kind of rational, not-emotional, argument that eeboater was talkin bout?<br /><br />Don't believe everything you hear on talk radio!<br /><br /> :)
So condensing this mindset ---- "Rush's lies explain his popularity"?! That's a first in talk radio.<br />(or anywhere else media is sold...Including ditches in texas.)
I would try to explain Rush's popularity like this:<br />1. showmanship - pure entertainment value is part of it.<br />2. knowing who your target audience is and what they like to hear.<br />3. delivering what they like to hear in an entertaining manner.<br /><br />Those are all good skills, I'm not being facetious. But truth and factual reporting is not his top priority.<br /><br />"That's a first..." - I detect a note of sarcasm - which I wholeheartedly agree with.
 

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Talk radio changed me. I WAS a a supporter of the GOP but after starting to listen to Cheech{Rush} Limbagh I don't want to be alined with someone who is trying to put Americans against Americans. That was tried once remember the civil war?
 

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Originally posted by jtexas:<br />
I would try to explain Rush's popularity like this:<br />1. showmanship - pure entertainment value is part of it.<br />2. knowing who your target audience is and what they like to hear.<br />3. delivering what they like to hear in an entertaining manner.<br /><br />Those are all good skills, I'm not being facetious. But truth and factual reporting is not his top priority......<br />__________________________________________________<br /><br />jt, not only do I think you're pretty accurate in your analysis, but Rush said pretty much the same thing years ago. It was right after the Oklahoma City bombing. Someone called in (no idea how he got past the screener, he must have lied about what he wanted to say) and accused Rush and other of similar hosts of helping to create an atmosphere of hatred that might have contributed to the bombers motivation. Rush was pretty shaken up, and said pretty much what you list, that he was an entertainer and gave a certain audience segment what they wanted to hear. He said something along the lines that even he didn't agree with some of the things he said. <br /><br />For me, the shame is that he's obviously a very intelligent man. I'd love to see what he might contribute as an objective commentator rather than as an entertainer geared towards a specific audience. Of course, given the niche he's carved out and the money he makes in his current role, I guess it's hard to criticise him for continuing to do what he does.
 

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Originally posted by Blu Lunch:<br /> Talk radio changed me. I WAS a a supporter of the GOP but after starting to listen to Cheech{Rush} Limbagh I don't want to be alined with someone who is trying to put Americans against Americans. That was tried once remember the civil war?
Class envy, class warfare, racism, and the resultant fear and divisions are the basis for the power that the party on the left once enjoyed.<br /><br />I was also once a supporter of the GOP, but when the party on the left went whacko-extremist and left the moderates nowhere to go but to the GOP, resulting in its being watered down, I found myself basically disenfranchised...and probably accompanied by many conservatives who have had enough.
 

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Talk radio changed me.
Me to, there might be a lot that i may agree on with the host.<br />However, I'm lucky enough to be able to analyse political situations as well as the best and better than most. With-in days I'm able to punch holes in a lot of their arguments.It usually comes about the time their hypocracy and pointed agendas become aparent.<br /><br />I think there are a lot of people who take the easier route and let others think and reason for them. These people are easy to spot. When they debate they regurgitate almost vebatum talk radio and C&P their way through an argument.
 

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Has talk radio changed me? You bet! I no longer listen to it.
 
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