Big wooden boat project [Splashed Sept 2017]

Pusher

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Thanks for the complements. I do have one daughter, unfortunately she (nor anyone else I know) have any interest in this stuff. ... unfortunate. Maybe some day I'll find someone to pass a bit on to.

I'm a kid in a lot of folks books so pour away 😁

My wife's not a fan of my boating endeavors either but she puts up with me.

If everyone loved boats I guess we'd all be fighting over who'd be captain.
 

Scott Danforth

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I wish you were closer so I could hang, help, and learn
 

mickyryan

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man you should be doing you tube videos to preserve this knowledge! always fun to watch a pro at work :)
 

Ned L

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Thanks. I will say that sometimes it takes a bit of creativity to figure out how to be in two places at once during a lot of this work. Often times it just comes down to a lot of climbing in and out double checking things as I go.

I made a bit more progress over the weekend even though it was cool, windy and rainy,

.... Remember that piece of oak off the wood pile a couple of posts up?? Well, here it is ready to go in the boat as a replacement floor section

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the countersink holes are clearance holes for the rivets in the ribs that this will sit on.

Here it is installed. Resorcinol glue and bronze screws in the joint (had to cover it with a box and old quilt with an electric heater to keep it warm overnight).

Here it is installed. The bolts are for the forward whip strut. Yea, .... that one bolt hole is off a bit from where I would have liked it, but when I am 'blind' drilling from under the boat I can't really tell where to aim until I have one hole in place. In actuality, where it landed is just as strong as if it were dead center in the floor. It just doesn't look as pretty, and you can't see it when everything is back together anyway. (It is supposed to be angled to the right liek that.)

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And here everything is pretty much back together on the port side. Really just about ready to put the port fuel tank back in. the starboard side is another story, I'm about 2 weeks behind there because of the cold weather.

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I realize it looks sort of like a jumbled assortment of wood, but each piece does have a purpose.
 

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I won't need to read the name on the transom to figure out which boat is ours.
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Read boat names - Nah, look for the crowd of admirers. :D
 

laurentide

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Ned, great work on everything. I really love following this thread. I finally got down to my family's place in SC and snapped a couple of photos of my grandfather's Hubert Johnson. Unfortunately, both photos are behind glass, so the quality isn't great here. But you may find it interesting. The photo was taken by Morris Rosenfeld, the watercolor is of unknown provenance, but is from 1939. Possibly based on a blueprint drawing.

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EDIT: I just asked my dad about the watercolor, and he said that someone just left it at their door in Bay Shore, NY after they took ownership of the boat.
 
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Ned L

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WOW!!!!! Those are beautiful!! ........... Oh and I am very familiar with the name Morris Rosenfeld,...... Impressive! Thank you for posting them. If you don't mine I will certainly save them electronically in with my other Hubert Johnson information.
 

laurentide

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Please do, I'm just glad I remembered to take the pictures. The photograph is about 30" x 30" and the quality is stunning for its age. It's a favorite family heirloom of mine.

A couple more:

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Ned L

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Thank you for taking those pictures and posting them here. Very nice!
 

mickyryan

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ned? I'm running out of popcorn waiting for this intermission to be over , cmon don't hide ya bestest work man !:)
 

Ned L

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Sorry guys, you better make up a couple of days more popcorn. I won't be able to post more pictures until next week. :D
I am taking a couple of more days off to make some headway. Rib repairs are completely done on the port side. The starboard side has only one more rib to repair.
As you have seen I have gone with traditional steam bent. I am running low on oak so there are two ribs that I am going with laminated. I am using scrap pieces to make 1/4 " laminations which I am steaming and bending into place. Once cool they are epoxied together, and then installed.
I suppose a lot of people would have gone with laminated repairs for everything. The wood can be 'less perfect', they are easier to bend and quite frankly less print to cracking. It is so much quicker to be able to just bend them and install them, and the originals are 60 years old, so how long do they need to last.
 

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I made some pretty good progress since last week. I actually finished up installing all the ribs. A couple of hundred rivets single handedly was certainly growing monotonous. Sorry to say I forgot to take pictures of the laminated rib and that whole process. As mentioned above, they start with four laminations of about 1/4" each, steam them for 15 minutes, bend them in place as a stacked set and let them sit. Then take them out and add epoxy to each side.

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This is what they look like when ready for gluing. I recently learned a trick of wrapping them tightly with "cling" (think industrial Saran wrap) after applying the epoxy. This acts like a clamp and squeezes the laminations together and also contains the epoxy mess nicely. That really worked nicely. After the laminations are epoxied and wrapped, the rib goes back in the boat and clamped in position so the epoxy cures with everything in the correct shape. Once cured, the rib is removed, unwrapped, cleaned up of excess epoxy and is then ready for installing. ---- Definately more time and work than regular steam bent ribs.

Here is what I resorted to when using resourcinol glue in temperatures that were not up to the required 70?F for curing

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A cardboard box cut to fit the hull shape, with an electric heater inside and an old comforter on the outside. I'm glad I didn't have to do that too many times.

Once the ribs were all in it was then time to put all the large framing pieces and floors back in. You can see the floors between the ribs in these pictures, those big chunks of wood. (Ahh, ..... these are what most here call 'bulkheads'. ......... They are correctly called floors.)

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Finally, ..... it was time to reinstall the platforms for the fuel tanks. I have no idea why, but two of the planks for the starboard platform were really bad off, very decayed in the core, so I had to replace them. Conveniently the dimension of the planks were 1' x 5 1/2", the same as regular house decking material. A trip to the lumberyard for a 10' piece of red cedar decking took care of that. The pictures don't look like much, but that was a pretty nice milestone to hit in this project.

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I did have a residual issue caused by the decades old sister ribs that I took out. There were lots of screws that were now empty screw holes in the bottom of the boat. Easily a couple of dozen.
I ripped some pencil size strips of white cedar, put a bit of a cone shape on the end with an electric pencil sharpener and cut them off on the bandsaw.

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These would then be small plugs that get driven into each screw hole. Normally plugs like this can just be set in dry and the swelling in the water will more thann ensure they stay in place. I wanted bit of assurance they wouldn't move (what with some time to go before tossing her in the water), so I mixed up some Weldwood plastic resin glue (old school, convenient waterproof glue).

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Just dip the end in the glue, set it in the screw hole and tap flush.
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So I guess that brings things up to date for now.




A bit of underwater seam compound just to finish off the surface and they're all set. Nothing to worry about them now.
 

jsparks747

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Using steam can be a total pain in the butt. I mainly build small boats so I just make a small cut along the location of the seam (I mainly build flat bottomed boats) and then fill it with sealant and smooth it and let it cure, then cut off the extra and sand it flush. It is turning out really well. The ribs are turning our really well though. Keep it up!
 

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I also did a variety of other tedious things to get them checked off the list. (Pulled some strut bolts & inspected them, replaced every other fastening for the shaft logs (for good measure).
 

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I would definitely be burned out by now. You're the posterchild of endurance!
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