Bayliner Quality - what year improved?

[peevuto]

Re: Bayliner Quality - what year improved?

Its really quite funny how ignorant Bayliner bashers are... they never have any proof to back up their ignorant statements, no reviews to refer to, etc. Much like prejudiced people are.<br /><br />The fact of the matter is that the Bayliners I looked at were more nicely finished than the Glastrons, Sea Rays, and Larsons at the 175 level, and were less expensive to boot! <br /><br />If the Bayliner was such a bad boat, you think the expert reviewers on boattest.com and boatingamerica.com would have realized it by now and quit writing such positive reviews. <br /><br />Yeesh, and to think I came here looking for some real reason I might not choose the Bayliner over the Glastron. I thought maybe there would be something legit that would encourage me to buy the Glastron instead.. and all I read is a bunch of ignorant comments by somebody and his brother who are still living in the 80's.

 

[Elmer Fudge]

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@#$%^& Yaawn

 

[peevuto]

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Good post elmer... spoken like a true BB'er.

 

[dorelse]

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Well, I'm mostly a reader, rarely a poster...but I own a 1990 Bayliner Capri 185 w/90HP Force Outboard. (Which I believe most consider one of the 'bad' years.)<br /><br />It has cost me absolutely zilch, nada, nothing to own, beside normal tune-ups, etc. It has provided flawless service, and hours upon hours of summer fun at our lake cabin.<br /><br />We love it. I bought it knowing (and wanting) a chevy level of boat, and that's exactly what I got. I would buy another Bayliner in a heartbeat. They provide an excellent value at a great price. Good luck with your decision.

 

[MrDumb]

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AHH the Million Dollar question... The year the "Bayliner IMPROVES" is yet to be seen.

 

[peevuto]

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MrDumb, your nick says it all, along with your ignorant one liner post that has no substance (typical of all BB'er replies). Care to support your statement with some fact?<br /><br /><br />I didn't think so.

 

[cuzner]

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Hey peevuto, try not to take anti bayliner posts so personal. You won't convince them b-l makes a good a boat,any more than they will convince you they are garbage.I'm starting to get the impression people are baiting you on purpose.I thought this thread died 2 months ago!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br /> Jim

 

[peevuto]

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Hey Cuzner, your right, this post should have been dead long ago, but unfortunately when reviewing it for info, it was filled with bayliner bashing that I thought was for recent products and not products from era's gone by. It turns out that even the Bayliner Bashers agree that the bayliner product is of very high quality and standards today, and that the bashing is because of hard feelings resulting from a poor purchase 20+ years ago. So any of you considering Bayliner because of the affordability can take comfort in knowing that you are getting a high quality boat for a great price.

 

[Luna Sea]

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I'm starting to wonder here. Could we have a disgruntled Bayliner salesman with too much time on his hands amongst us?

 

[phatmanmike]

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the boat itself, bayliner, is a fine boat. its no grady white, but thats not what your buying when you shell out 10K for a new boat. motor, trailer. if i had the money to purchase a new boat, ANY new boat, i would definetly look at the bayliners. the problem with them nowadays is the hardware, not the floors and hull. i have a 1960 glasspar that at the time it was built, was leeps and bouds UNDER bayliners quality. and it STILL works today. <br /><br />if you were to purchase a new bayliner today, perform all the required maintanence on it, keep it clean and happy, youd have one heck of a bot 10 years from now. most people that bash bayliners, let them do as they will, its just their opinion. bayliners get a bad rap becasue the older ones that are now 10 and 20 years old are falling apart cause cheep a.s.s. rednecks used to leave them in the front yard for a year at a atime and never change the oil or do routine work and then when the fell apart, wondered why. and i am not bashing rednecks. i have tons of people around here that do this exact thing. i have been in bayliners that were made in the 80's and early 90's and they were fine. one guy was my boss, he was a business owner and had some serious money, and his bayliner was in excellent shape cause he took care of it and payed the dealer for the required maintanence. <br /><br />the other guy was my redneck buddy with his 19 foot bowrider that was a complete peice of crap. he didnt take care of it and used it as a utility trailer putting his lawnmowers and stuff in it and towing the whole thing. he even used it to haul yard waste to the dump.<br /><br />once again, its just my opinion.<br /><br />thanks for reading<br /><br />m ikey<br /><br />by the way. i own a 1960 glasspar, a 1986 bonito, which is a peice of crap, a avon rib and a 14 foot aluminum john

 

[f_inscreenname]

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You all asked my opinion (more then once) and I gave it to you all. Now it seems like some are making me out to be some leader of a anti Bayliner movement. That could not be further from the truth. I don't knock any boats or there owners for what they bought. If it makes you happy then more power to you. Most are right when they say I do not have any experience with newer Bayliners but I have in the past and that is what I base my opinion on. I have not posted anything that is untrue so I am not bashing. I am sure there are many people out there that don't like every different kind of boat made and that is there choice. I happen not to like Bayliner. Maybe if I had a newer Bayliner I would change my opinion (you never know a boat till you have owned it for a while) but changing it by looking at a shinny new one in a showroom is not going to happen. So I am not going to tell you what a bad deal you got or your boat is junk that is not my style but if you ask don't wine if I don't agree with your opinion.

 

[rsfeller]

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here's a sociological view; (and i own a wonderful 80s bayliner). <br /><br />everyone compares bayliners to chevy (makes sence). the condition of the average chevy after 10 years is crap, but i don't think it's always becuase of quality. it has to do with the mentality of the chevy buyers. now before you reply complaining becuase you own a chevy.<br /><br />where i live we make fun of the people who have 10-15 year old chevys, such as the: camero, beretta, corsica, cavalier...ect. this cars are associated with a certain class of society that doesn't take care of things. they are more likely then other cars to be rusty, dented, poor engine heath, ect...and thus picked up for nothing.<br /><br />the average american who can afford a new car ofthen puts gas in their car for 5 years (and little else) and sells it. often in lesser health than the average european car own. if we use the chevy=bayliner theory of quality, we can see that the view attached the bayliner is not becuase of the quality always, but the type of person who buys them. often it's all they can afford, they don't view it as a major investment and they treat it will little respect...<br /><br />so when you see lots of old chevy's on blocks in ohio, it's not be cuase they suck...it's becuae the people that buy them are different and treat them differently...and i think i see a few two many inexpensive bayliners in poor condition.<br /><br />the are a lot of bayliners out there and that many many will be in poor shape (same with sea ray's around here). but i don't see many grady whites, but when i do...they are awful pretty.<br /><br />just a differnt way to look at things. <br /><br />i don't drive chevys, i drive 10-15 year old saabs and VW. saabs have a horrible reputation, as the average american can owner doesn't treat them right. my 88 has 400,000 miles and my 95 has 210,000 miles...with original engine/trans and no rust. i think my bayliner will be in service for me another 20 years!

 

[rsfeller]

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and to f_inscreenname. can we see photos of your wonderful boat, we are all curious!<br /><br />you opened a can of worms and you are looking silly in your comments. <br /><br />i loved the one about not seeing bayliner lobster trawlers!! bayliners MUST suck if there are now bayliner lobster trawlers! does formula make a lobster trawler?!?!?

 

[RatFish]

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Relax, who cares what other people think about your boat. As long as your happy and having fun. That's what counts.

 

[f_inscreenname]

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If you are going to quote me get it right. “I have never seen a “work boat” Bayliner (lobster, crabber or fishing etc) That says a lot to me. To these guys there boat is there life and there boats are not Bayliners.” Meaning they are not known as a workhorse or hold together that well (a quality comment with justification). If they did, for the price, you would see every one who works on the water use them. <br />“ i loved the one about not seeing bayliner lobster trawlers!! bayliners MUST suck if there are now bayliner lobster trawlers! does formula make a lobster trawler?!?!??” I lived in Maine for a number of years and you would be surprised what you see people lobster in. I have seen everything from gutted sailboats to converted party barges. I am sure there is one or two Bayliner lobster boats but not many and not nearly as many as there should be compared to how many are out there.<br /> You all are starting to confirm another stereotype about Bayliners owners. I am sure you would not see Allmand owners act that way. http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/f_...=&.done=http://photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos

 

[quantumleap]

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Please hand me the shovel and we can put this thread back in it's grave where it belongs. Every few months a peevuto comes along and wants to reassure himself that buying the cheapest new boat available was a good decision. They want to convince themselves that they really got a better boat at a lower price than everyone else. Well it turns out they got just what they paid for, the cheapest (or most affordable as the manufacturers like to put it) boat, motor, and trailer package produced. It will perform and hold up as such. The manufacturing and marketing of boats is much like autos, the margins are getting slimmer so to build a boat that sells for thousands less, some concessions have to be made. You simply cannot produce a boat with top quality construction, hardware, fitting, electronics, and upholstery and sell it for less than the other guy building the exact same boat. Bayliners are made cheaper for a reason, because they are aiming at the new/entry level boater throughout their lineup, and I might add, have been VERY successful at it over the years. I don't think they are losing any sleep knowing that their product is not the best built boat out there. Go across the country and check out the lakes,river, and resovoirs and you'll quickly see Bayliner has found a formula that works and continues to own a significant share of the market. Yes, they have improved in quality. But only to survive, not to compete with the high end brands. That's not where the make their money. To the new Bayliner owners, please don't try to convince everyone else what a great bargain you got and how everyone should jump at the value Bayliner offers. You bought one of the cheapest boats on the market. If you use it and care for it properly, it will provide you enjoyment and last years. Just don't try to portray your boat to be more than it really is. There is a reason the price was so low. That doesn't make it bad boat, just not as good in quality as many other brands.

 

[phatmanmike]

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its very simple, no long post needed. if you buy a 10k boat, expect a 10k boat. its always nice when its new, and it will only be nice as for long as the owner takes care of it. <br /><br />if you bought a new lurhs 35 footer and treated it like crap , it would suck. but not because of the boat, because of the owner.

 

[RatFish]

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Quantumleap and phatmanmike,<br /><br />You guys hit the nail on the head! I have a Bayliner 205. It's not the best quality boat for sure but it gets me and my family on the water. I expect to replace the cheapo hardware as it breaks (You get what you pay for). On the bright side, I have a really great dealer. That makes all the difference. I will take good care of her, so I expect her to last for many years. But only time will tell...<br /><br />Peevuto, you have to relax. Stop your crusade. Be happy with your boat. Don't try to convince everybody that you have the best thing since indoor plumbing. The people on this board are here to help. Some may not like Bayliner but if you have a question or problem they are there for you.

 

[peevuto]

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zzzz ho hum... here we go again with the rants... "The Bayliner is a cheap boat" "The Bayliner is of poor quality".... *sigh* More unsubstantiated comments.<br /><br />Enlighten us all... just what makes it so poor quality these days? The stringers, floor, etc are all of top notch quality. Don't tell me you are going to sound like a Glastron salesman and tell me that the wood deck and stringer cores are of less quality, cuz that has been proven to be bunky sales propaganda. The fittings all have metal backings, window frames are excellent (no cheapo hardware here anymore), cockpit areas and dash are excellent. The motor is the Mercruiser 3.0, the same as in the other 17' models, the hull is an excellent design that gives you handling and a ride expected out of a much more expensive boat. The three main parts of a boat... Hull, Motor, and finish are all of very good quality... not the best, but of very good quality. In fact, the finish I saw in the Glastron 175MX was more like the type of finish I expected in a 10k boat... <br /><br />Geez you guys, quit ranting about bayliners being a low quality boat until you can actually state some facts. <br /><br />Please... Put UP or SHUT UP.

 

[POINTER94]

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I used to have a dog like this guy.<br /><br />Here Peevuto, Here Peevuto!!!<br /><br />Bite the stick, Bite the stick!! <br /><br />Someone got one of those lampshade things???