Anybody else listening to W?

[rolmops]

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Sometimes when smart people speak,they are hard to follow.<br />It is really great when W speaks.He easily reaches those at his own level.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Yeah, but I think Osama's mounted head would look great in the Oval Office!.....JK

 

[PW2]

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______________________<br />Our freedoms have only been compromised by those who exploit them, not by those who protect them. <br />___________________________________<br /><br />Ok, so how do you know that? We have no idea who has, or has not, had their freedom (and their privacy) compromised. We are supposed to have a check on the power of the executive by the courts, except that was discarded as being somehow inconvenient.<br /><br /><br />_____________________________---<br /> <br /><br />Energy WILL be sorted out by those who actually invest in this stuff and understand it______________________________________--<br /><br /><br /> <br />So we are to relax and leave it to those driven by quarterly results and profits to plan our long range energy future. Now there is truly a "faith-based initiative" if there ever was one. Trusting an organization solely concerned with short term results for our long range future. That is truly scary.<br /><br />What simple big picture ideas are you talking about? Fighting evil?? What does that mean, exactly? How will we know when we eradicate evil from the world??

 

[PW2]

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_________________________________-<br />Sometimes when smart people speak,they are hard to follow.<br />It is really great when W speaks.He easily reaches those at his own level.<br />_______________________________________<br /><br />I can understand why those on the right seem to feel some kinship with this guy.<br /><br />Both are consistently misguided and incorrect.

 

[rolmops]

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W is one of those people who has the great gift of twisting reality in such a way that his followers who are also his victims are kissing the ground he walks on.<br />How many presidents do you know that hand picked a character like Rumsfeld, who was kicked out by the voters, to a responsibility much greater than the one he was given a failing grade for?<br />There is some satisfaction in the fact that those republicans that raised him to where he is now are gone from public life because they were caught playing dirty.It is good to see that the one he besmirched,John McCain, is growing ever more popular.It would be nice to have a statesman instead of a special interest lackey for president.

 

[QC]

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Originally posted by PW2:<br /> ______________________<br />Our freedoms have only been compromised by those who exploit them, not by those who protect them. <br />___________________________________<br /><br />Ok, so how do you know that? <br />

I trust that. I know since 9/11 the only freedoms that I have given up are at the airport and traveling on the dams over the Colorado River, both **** me off because I know who caused it. Other than that I can't think of anything else that has been taken from me that I care about.<br /><br />

Originally posted by PW2:<br /> Our Energy WILL be sorted out by those who actually invest in this stuff and understand it______________________________________--<br /> <br />So we are to relax and leave it to those driven by quarterly results and profits to plan our long range energy future.

Yes.<br /><br />

Originally posted by PW2:<br /> What simple big picture ideas are you talking about? Fighting evil?? What does that mean, exactly? How will we know when we eradicate evil from the world??

See, exactly as I predicted, belittling me as a simpleton for using the word evil. You know what fighting evil is. At least I hope you do. Your last question is disingenuous.

 

[QC]

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Ground kissing, victim here

 

[rodbolt]

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Rolmops<br /> seems a lot of handpicking has gone on, as well as cherry picking.<br /> but in 3 years it will all be over, we just have to pray we can climb out from under it.<br /> so far anyone with sense or extensive training to actually plan anything seems to have been fired and replaced by a buddy.<br /> al queda and the like have been well known and about for 30 years or so. nothing new there.<br /> but so far all I see is lip service, sounds like a bunch of howler monkeys at times.<br /> I am waiting to see the actual plan and implementation of such plan for our borders,ports coastline and infastructure.<br />tally in Iraq/afghanistan so far is 400 billion and is costing 2 billion or so a week and they just asked for another 80 billion yet not much has changed in 3 years.<br />they did ask for 2 billion to assist the US gulf coast after last summers storms yet not much has happened.<br />so far there is not much of an energy plan that I can see.<br /> while E85 fuels look great and will work on a limited scale its to much like solar and wind power, first cold wet summer or drought and its a wash. its just not relaible enough.<br />one tambora or kratoa type event and the estimate is 30-50% crop failures in north america for 2-4 years.<br /> but I still support the research, however I dont think big oil should get the research money.<br />while not much can be done about the growing population and the growing amount of vehicles the generation of power,resurfacing of roads and various other industries can and should be weaned off of petroleum products.<br />thats the plan I would like to see.

 

[CJY]

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Nothing with any meat, just flittering about around the edges.<br />

QC, that is crazy. We are holding W accountable to what he has said. He made us believe there was "meat", but in the end, just a bunch of rhetoric. I am tired of the talk, let's see this administration get something done.<br /><br />I, as badly as you want to rid the world of evil so we may all live in peace. W is doing a horrible job of it. Enemy number 1, where is he??? <br /><br /><br />A question was asked in an earlier post about if all the terrorism would stop upon OBL's death. I don't know, but I say let's try it and find out. Don't tell me the reason he is still loose is because other evil will only replace him so in the end there is no difference.. That is the most illogical thing I have ever heard.<br /><br />QC, Where is the "meat" in W's actions?

 

[QC]

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CJY,<br /><br />On OBL I think it is simply that we cannot find him. I don't know who said terorism would stop upon his demise, or that killing him didn't matter. Definitely wasn't me.<br /><br />I believe that W has maintained a force where others have said we should not and may not have in the first place, that is action to me. Serious action.

 

[rodbolt]

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wrong action<br /> we failed to cut off the head of the snake.<br /> there is some speculation its because the snake head and most the current admin and the presidents dad have long standing business ties and companies with the snake head.<br /> so we took a body shot, looks like we may have nicked the tail.<br />sometimes I think W was the right president with the wrong administration.<br />however 3 more years and we can try again.<br /> odds are the results wont be any better.<br /> seems the past 20 years have been filled with the first 4 years trying to get reelected and the second 4 trying to fend off scandals from the first 4.

 

[woodrat]

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QC Sez: "I trust that. I know since 9/11 the only freedoms that I have given up are at the airport and traveling on the dams over the Colorado River, both **** me off because I know who caused it. Other than that I can't think of anything else that has been taken from me that I care about."<br /><br />Ben Franklin said: "They that can give up essential freedom to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."<br /><br />Now I suppose we could go on and on about what freedoms are "essential" and which are disposable, but I prefer to think that the bill of rights is probably a good place to start looking for essentials. Like the right to privacy in my person place and things, which to me includes emails, phone calls and library records. All of which W and his pals say they have a right to rifle through without cause or warrant. And the right of habeus corpus, which is apparently another freedom deemed too troublesome to the war on "evil" we are allegedly waging, forever.<br /><br />Why are all these patriots so eager to toss out the parts of our founding documents that made us unique in the world?

 

[rodbolt]

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I am with ya woodrat<br />while yes times have changed a bit and modern travel and communications are vastly superior to what they once were human nature has not changed much. thats why our system was set up to foil some of it.<br />if the intel community has a valid lead thats why the court can grant a warrent for eavedropping, random data mininng is like watching a portion of a movie and making up the rest.<br /> that and given the track record of our govt in the past 60 years who will be in charge of the info and to whom and when it gets dissemenated ?<br />in total secrecy there is no safeguards.

 

[CJY]

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On OBL I think it is simply that we cannot find him.

Agreed, but I have always held the position that we need to employ a larger force toward finding him. I know I don't run the show with our country, but why are we not committing more resources toward this effort?<br /><br /><br />

I don't know who said terorism would stop upon his demise, or that killing him didn't matter. Definitely wasn't me.<br />

Sorry, this was not meant to be directed toward you QC.

 

[rodbolt]

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CJY<br /> when you answer that question you will have answered the question of why we did not send enough troops to properly accomplish the mission as planned. a hint is to look for the planners that rumsfeld fired.<br /> heck I just saw on the tee wee that after 15 years on the run,in the US, we just nabbed two domestic terrorists. how ya gonna nab one with no plan nor secure borders ?

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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Sorry guys, I can not figure why if you have done nothing wrong, why looking at your emails and stuff hurts you.<br /><br />I know, it's your privacy that comes into play and don't even throw out this "Our founding fathers" stuff.<br /><br />They did not have people flying planes into the buildings back then or I bet their outlook would have been different.<br /><br />I am sorry about your freedom to this and that, but if one email or telephone call that is caught to stop something from happening to one of your own, you would be all for it.<br /><br />I have been there and done that and I know I would.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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As spinner ducks for cover now.<br />Fire away guys, it's my opinion.<br />edit: and it don't matter who is president, if it was a dem, would you still have the same outlook?<br /><br />I know I would if it would save American lives.

 

[rodbolt]

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I would not<br /> nothing we have done so far saves anyone.<br /> we may, emphasis on may, have stopped one entry point but several others are now wide open. good thing ragheads have no imagination.<br />SBN<br /> remember the greatest threat ,terrorist to our way of life in the US back in the sixties?<br /> I mean this guy was radical.<br /> he was heavily folloewd,wire tapped, his employers contacted, his friends black listed<br /> the FBI and the CIA covered all the bases for this most radical or terror suspects.<br /> this guy was a subversive communist that at one point some govt leaders said should have been assasinated.<br /> man what a scum bucket evil doer this guy was<br /> now guess who i am talking about.<br /> no guesses no balls, typical chicken hawk

 

[Kalian]

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So whats worse, appointing Clintons limo chauffer for head of dept. of transportation or a polatician who lost his election bid as governer. <br /> And Rodbolt, are you still on about how we "failled to close Iraq's borders for the war"?

 

[Skinnywater]

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So Skinny, how do you label what/who we are fighting now?

The emphasis is more on the fighting part of my statement than on the evil. We're more targets (seemingly at will) of the enemy than fighting them.<br />

Why do people think if you state a goal you need to achieve it immediately or you have failed?

It's fair to judge on performance. We don't need to re-invent war. We rolled through a few continents in WW2 with full intent to win and destroy our enemy. War fought this way is truely the first step towards peace.

I know since 9/11 the only freedoms that I have given up are at the airport and traveling on the dams over the Colorado River, both **** me off because I know who caused it. Other than that I can't think of anything else that has been taken from me that I care about.<br />

That's way to short an explaination of what's reality. History proves that what freedoms are taken by a Government is never given back. You used the word freedom and easily forfeited it in one statement. That makes a very important point. <br />

I am sorry about your freedom to this and that, but if one email or telephone call that is caught to stop something from happening to one of your own, you would be all for it.<br />

Same stuff here. Freedom isn't money or toilet paper. I don't want it made cheap by negotiating or rationing pieces of it away. <br />Maybe a very harsh statement but if we can't conduct business, war or Government as the Constitution and founders had in mind, lets raise the white flag NOW.