Anybody else listening to W?

[ob]

Re: Anybody else listening to W?

Originally posted by PW2:<br />My problem is that the underlying actions don't match the words, and never have. There seems to be a fundamental disconnect between his rhetoric and any sort of recognizable reality.

underlying actions?? can you explain what the difference between that and say,actions is?I know it had a nice ring to it but really makes no sense.<br /><br />Also provide some specifics of the rhetoric he provides as compared to the reality you speak of.Flowing words aren't getting through very clear. I guess I'm just a "stickler" for detail. <br /><br />Other than unclear content your post was gramatically written well. <br /><br />If your going to debate political issues ,concentrate on specifics and if you're in disagreement with administration policies or tactics ,try to provide solutions or some form of researched detailed remedies of your own instead of this seemingly never ending shoot from the hip partisan comments.Anything else is just parroting the same "rhetoric" as the anti-Bush left wing attitude ,contra-administration bandwagon ,and reeks of whiny unsubstantiated accusations with no factual details.If nothing else ,at least preclude your comments with a theoretical disclaimer.

 

[CJY]

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underlying actions?? can you explain what the difference between that and say,actions is?I know it had a nice ring to it but really makes no sense.<br />

I can. For example OBL. W says we must "smoke him out", "bring him to justice", neither of which has happened. I don't think we are doing all that is within our power to find him. I have a problem with that.<br /><br />Energy Bill??? Well...where the he77 is it? I have been hearing about it for several years now. The only thing that I can see regarding the "energy" bill is a huge increase every month that I get mine. Ahhh, perhaps that is what he meant by "energy" bill. Perhaps W was referring to the lining of the pockets of the good ole boys. I must have misinterpreted his words.<br /><br />W said he would reunite the country. I don't think there has been a greater gap in the country since the Civil War.<br /><br />I'm not trying to rehash old news here. Some seem to have forgetten.

 

[BoatBuoy]

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Originally posted by QC:<br /> As codboy has noted, felt like the good kind of good ol' boy.

Exactly. He's just like me - a good ole' boy. But I don't want someone just like me as President. He needs to be better than that.

 

[PW2]

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_____________________________________________<br />underlying actions?? can you explain what the difference between that and say,actions is?I know it had a nice ring to it but really makes no sense.<br />___________________________________________-<br /><br />Pick a topic...any topic.<br /> <br />Jon Stewart on the Daily Show had a wonderful little bit the other nite, listing all the ongoing scandals and such in this administration, giving each a letter designation.<br /><br />He went thru the entire alphabet and into the Greek alphabet, and he still wasn't done!

 

[QC]

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PW2,<br /><br />Let me get this straight. You are using as evidence to support your distrust of our President, a list of "scandals" provided to you by a comedian . . .<br /><br />I checked out John Stewart as someone recently suggested. I am still TIVOing and watch occasionally. He is funny, reasonably witty and does intersperse some serious attempts at reporting to keep his show topical. With that said, there is something fundamentally wrong with getting "news" from a comedy show. They choose what they report based on it's comedic value!

 

[Haut Medoc]

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If something is true, what does it matter what source it comes from?.....JK

 

[rodbolt]

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QC<br /> anymore the daily show and the cobert report are as good as it gets. most the rest slant the views,fail to ask questions, accept non-answers to the questions asked or just outright screw up and twist the answers, lou dobbs was a shining example of it the other night with his report on the FL farmers suing FEMA, by the time lou got done he was saying and I quote" the illegals are suing FEMA" when the illegals were in fact doing no such thing. its a group of US citizens that need the illegal low wage no insurance slave type labor to bring in large profits.<br /> but to Lou its ok to skewre the truth.<br /> at least stewart and cobert are funny.

 

[Bondo]

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My problem is not with what he says...Everyone is in favor of "Huntin' down them terrists and bringin' 'em to justice"

Naawww,...... I Think that was a Clinton Policy......<br /><br />Remember,.......... The Clintons consider the Terrorist Problem to a "Law Enforcement Issue"......<br />They sent out the FBI.........<br /><br />GW said that We're going to Hunt them Down,+ KILL Them.........<br />And,....... That's the Military's Job................<br /><br />Ayuh,..... I'm Not a Repubican,..... I'm Not a Conservative Either............<br />But,......<br />I Do like GW Bush in the Whitehouse...........

 

[QC]

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Well I definitely skew the news that I get. I select it. Some from TV, but primarily the newspaper. I generally read the LA Times which is well known to lean left, but I filter out a lot of BS. I focus on facts and I have a narrow definition of fact . . . It had to actually have happened.<br /><br />I get opinion from the radio and here, but I seek differing opinions. Not simply to argue. I usually start from the position that I may be seriously messed up, so what is the other side of this story.<br /><br />I am not suggesting that Stewart cannot report honestly. I am suggesting that if he is smart he is selecting the news he reports based on his demographics and what will get him the highest ratings. In fact all TV news does that with the possible exception of CSpan, and frankly I have no idea how they select what they report.<br /><br />BTW, like Bondo, I am not a Republican and according to the little "test" over on another thread I am a Libertarian. However, I dispute the validity of that test, because I could answer honestly and slide any direction. IMHO, it simply depends on your interpretation of "Maybe" at that particular moment.

 

[fixin]

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W = weasel

 

[ob]

Re: Anybody else listening to W?

Originally posted by PW2:<br /> _____________________________________________<br />underlying actions?? can you explain what the difference between that and say,actions is?I know it had a nice ring to it but really makes no sense.<br />___________________________________________-<br /><br />Pick a topic...any topic.<br /> <br />Jon Stewart on the Daily Show had a wonderful little bit the other nite, listing all the ongoing scandals and such in this administration, giving each a letter designation.<br /><br />He went thru the entire alphabet and into the Greek alphabet, and he still wasn't done!

Well,I thought maybe you would pick the topic since you feel you're being mislead.Oh well<br /><br />And John Stewart? <br /><br />On the "uderlying action" plug ,try underlying intent.Actions are actions.Underlying is hidden.The two ring nicely as I said,just make no sense.What I was hoping to hear were some specifics or solutions not just the topics of debate.But then , the party you seem to support doesn't provide any either.Just more whining.

 

[Skinnywater]

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The lessor of two evils, no more, no less.<br /><br />Last election my only expectations for "W" was some good Supreme Court nominees. In that regard he's not been a total failure.

 

[QC]

Re: Anybody else listening to W?

I think W's greatest achievment has been having the courage to fight evil. Too bad it is not automatic and obvious to most people. Today identifying evil marks you as a simpleton, fighting it labels you a murderer. How twisted is that?

 

[woodrat]

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If any democratic president were claiming the kind of "unitary executive" powers that W has been claiming, the whole right wing of this country would be rightly having a serious fit about it. This guy has the cojones to sign into law the McCain Anti-torture legislation and at the same time declare that he alone has the right to interpret it's meaning and decide whether he will follow the law or not. Where did he get the right to state in public his intention to break the law that he was at that moment signing?! I think almost any American who is even half way serious about the constitution and the rule of law should be offended by that.<br /><br />Whether one is pro-abortion or not, the right wing has always claimed that there is no constitutional right to abortion because is was not specifically laid out in writing in the constitution. Fair enough logic, I think. But then the same crowd starts claiming any and all kinds of rights and powers unto the executive branch, not because they are written clearly in the founding documents, but because they weren't specifically denied in those same documents! That is called a double standard, no matter what your party affiliation is.<br /><br />All these special powers are being claimed because we are at "war", but these same folks are bascially saying we will be at war essentially forever, so we are talking about this "untiary executive" thing being a long term proposition. And I don't think that having what amounts to a king or monarch who is bascially exempt from the law of the land is really what the founding fathers, even with all of their human faults, had in mind.<br /><br />Lots of true blue conservatives, including the columnist George Will, have been rightly critical and distrustful of the direction that this administration seems to want to take us.

 

[Skinnywater]

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I think W's greatest achievment has been having the courage to fight evil. Too bad it is not automatic and obvious to most people. Today identifying evil marks you as a simpleton, fighting it labels you a murderer. How twisted is that?<br />

It was obvious to "most" people after 9/11. <br />Fighting evil is waht we did in WW2. Today our military responds to daily attacks with quarterly "raids".<br />Twisted is the meaning of "war", and "fighting", and "victory", and "meaningful action", used daily by W.<br /><br />By far, the greatest convolusion is the Republican party being a "Conservative" one.

 

[PW2]

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Ok, let's just take a couple examples.<br /><br />First, homeland security and Katrina. If Katrina taught us anything, it taught us that we are not prepared to handle an emergency on a large scale. You can argue that Louisiana failed (true) or that the city of New Orleans failed (Also true) but you cannot argue that FEMA or homeland security did not fail, or is not failing still.<br /><br />So what does W do in the face of this investigation? Claim executive priveledge, seal records, and block any sort of thorough investigation taking place.<br /><br />I guess the prospect of a little political embarassment trumps the notion of keeping the nation truly safer and better prepared.<br /><br /><br />Or take the recent SOU speech, where we found out we are addicted to oil... Anything in it about conservation? No. A token amount earmarked for alternate energy sources, bio-fuels and switch grass (or some-such)<br /><br />And the we find out that somehow or another, we are granting big oil yet another multi-billion dollar bonanza in the form of reduced royalty rates. <br /><br /> Apparently big oil is in their hour of need.

 

[rodbolt]

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PW2<br /> we will have no more katrina talk. it violates national security and you will be reported to the FEMA anti-embareesment police for futher actions.<br /> cant let the "evil" people of the world know how unprepared we are for the last nor the next disaster.<br /> I was going through some of my grandfathers logbooks from 1938, specifically his search,rescue and body collections in the long island area(USCG station montauk) after the 38 hurricane, the next storm of that size will make katrina look a bit smaller.<br /> so yes I litened to the speech, watched all the applause from his captive audience but so far his last 6 speeches have wasted airspace. lots of feel good chat from a conneticut yankee acting like a cowboy but so far no action.

 

[Skinnywater]

Re: Anybody else listening to W?

Actually George Will had something to say about this topic; <br />"A politician's words reveal less <br />about what he thinks about his <br />subject than what he thinks <br />about his audience."

 

[QC]

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Originally posted by Skinnywater:<br /> Fighting evil is waht we did in WW2

So Skinny, how do you label what/who we are fighting now?<br /><br />I agree with your comment on the Republican party. It is precisely where the Democrats were 35 years ago. Where does that put the Dems today?<br /><br />Interesting that most of the other comments coming from those non-supportive of the pres. are right in line with my thinking; simple, big picture issues take second place to ranting on about some big pit we are falling into and how the country is going to hell in a hand basket and how our freedoms have been stolen and defining a politician as well . . . uh . . . a politician. Nothing with any meat, just flittering about around the edges.<br /><br />The abortion discussion is unnecessary, there is no real challenge today and it is so polarized it will stay that way. Our freedoms have only been compromised by those who exploit them, not by those who protect them. Energy WILL be sorted out by those who actually invest in this stuff and understand it is cost per kW and cost per mile that drives this, not some fantasy about a wholesale shift into alternative sources that just pollutes differently.

 

[Kalian]

Re: Anybody else listening to W?

Why do people think if you state a goal you need to achieve it immediately or you have failed? Why do people put so much emphasis on killing or capturing Osama, when at face value that would have almost no repurcusions? Do people think Al qieda will simply fold if Osama is killed? The entire structure needs to be dismantled, not just kill Osama. He's got plenty of people to take over where he left off. Ole George is doing the right thing by keeping pressure on them in their backyard, not ours.<br /> I agree that the republican party is not very conservative, but they are far less liberal than the dems. Until something changes I'll be voting repub.