'78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

'78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy


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sphelps

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Awesome job Troop I can see you soaked up the gc karma I sent your way but did you leave some for Decker ?
Well done !
 

Trooper82

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Thanks everyone...I owe it all to you...

OK...adult beverage in hand...had time to relax a little ...time for some details...

I've got an hour and 3 minutes of video..that only shows the top V of the hull and the backside being sprayed....lots of cursing, bitching, moaning from all parties involved...we had fun though...

Cast:
Troy as Trooper82 - Dressed to the gills in his zoot suit..safety glasses, Blue Latex gloves and respirator...
Son in law Scott-more like "outlaw" seeing that he would not wear any safety gear..even though I had a second set of everything I was wearing (he is an adult so let him make that decision) However, I do not condone such behaviour..so I will not be posting the video on Iboats...
Patty playing the Admiral - responsible for drinks and smokes...even some support with an actone dipped rag, telecommunications(phone calls) and light compressor duty...
Marsha - Director and NOT the audio specialist (or we wouldn't have to worry about all the cursing, bitching, moaning caught on the video...), she also was the main compressor keeper...keeping it alive till it built too much pressure and kicked the relief valve (think she wet herself)...ice, drink..cigs...

ok enough fun stuff the details...

I had to have the compressor back by 2:58 PM...I did not even get started on gel coating till 11:30...so my tensions were high... I ended up getting it back at like 3:06 so they didn't charge me any extra time...

Started out worried about the ratio for MEKP. I have always read 2% when doing gel coat. I was mixing 750ml of gel. 2% would be 15ml of MEKP. The instructions I was using from YD said to use 10cc per quart. This had me confused...750ml is roughly .79 of a quart. I decided to go with the 15ml of MEKP. I was adding 10% of MEK for thinning, which is 75ml...backed this down to 70ml on all but the first spray. I was worried about the time, did not want to have the gel kick in the pot/lines/gun...I was avraging about 7 minutes from the time MEKP was added till start of mixing next batch. I had 750ml buckets on standby already filled, so things were actually going quite fast. Now this is the first time I have ever sprayed gel coat, so there was a learning curve. Took me 3 batches to get where I was happy with how it was leaving the gun. HF pot worked well, but the gel was leaving the tip heavy on the lower side of the fan. I just learned to work with it....In hind sight wish I had just mixed some gel to use for practice...but I was worried I'd be wasting too much and was also worried about time. I had plent of time. The gun was emptying the 750ml in just a couple minutes. Over spray from doing the top, then climbing on that side and walking got gel all over my zoot soot bootys...which became a big problem...grass, dirt, leaves you name it it was stuck to my feet and I was walking on the boat....some acetone on a rag made quick work of cleaning that mess up thankfully...ripped the bootys off so I could walk..but I was done climbing on the hull anyway..the rest I could reach from the ground... I did not have a gauge to check thickness...but I'd say I got somewhere around 30 mils thick or close to it...I was doing a double coat, going back over hwhat I had sprayed before to thicken it up. The surface turned out really well. I am quite pleased how it looks...a little rough, but I had zero sags or runs!...not bad for a beginner I spose...once I got the hull 100% coverd, took a quick break...washed the sprayer out with water ( per YD's advice...acetone and PVA make snot...I tested it..it does!) loaded half a gallon in the sprayer and coated one side of the hull...actually ran out before getting it 100% so was worried I would run out...toned down the nozzle on the next half gallon and was able to get it completely covered in PVA...waiting for tomorrow to wash off the PVA and do some test sanding...

I may try to get the vidoe spliced and loaded to my photobucket if there is anyone that wants to see it...


oh and a big thanks to JB for taking my call...appreciate it brother!
 

jbcurt00

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

oh and a big thanks to JB for taking my call...appreciate it brother!

Anytime, but I'm not sure how much I helped...... But you're welcome!

Looks great from way over here in WV.

I'll get the FireFlite prepped so you can swing by & work your magic on her on your way to PA!
 

CaptainKickback

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Thanks for the details. Would love to see the vid if you get time.

Sea ya...
 

Trooper82

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Thanks for the details. Would love to see the vid if you get time.

Sea ya...

Im forgot to mention the overspray....it was not too bad..I laid plastic down under the boat and on the fence...the ground cover got puled when walking on it...sticky feet....I would say that with no wind... the stuff would just fall to the ground...
 

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Few more pics....I had to deal with bugs..leaves..can't wait to take the PVA off to see how it really turned out...

DSCF0152.jpg


This angle kinda shows the texture I got...
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sphelps

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Looks great to me Troop ! How does the pva come off ? And then you wet sand after that ?
 

Trooper82

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Looks great to me Troop ! How does the pva come off ? And then you wet sand after that ?

I tested a small spot earlier, water and rag..easy peasy...yup not sure if I will sand it or just flip it, do the rest of the gel caot and have it ready for the trip up north..I can sand in the cold, but can't gelcoat...that's why I have been pushing so hard to get to this stage...and thanks!
 

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Busy man today Troop glad to see things worked out for ya just goes to show ya how doin your how doin your homework pays off! Looks good so far! best wishes on the next stage.
 

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Busy man today Troop glad to see things worked out for ya just goes to show ya how doin your how doin your homework pays off! Looks good so far! best wishes on the next stage.

Thanks Man!....was a busy day for sure...
 

fat fanny

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

That white was a good choice it really make that rig pop!
 

Trooper82

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Im thinking that 30 mils is a bit too much for one pass.

I like to spray gel with 4 passes leaving room for the 30 mils.

Gel is Not paint .. you cant do 2 spray passes with Gel.

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YD.


YD - hoping you read this... I am a little concerned...I basically only did 2 passes...no wax, just PVA...Can I go over this again if needed?
 

Trooper82

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

That white was a good choice it really make that rig pop!

Thanks..I really wanted to do a gel stripe...but I would have had to order nuetral gelcoat and pigment...then figure out how to do it...maybe on the next one :)

I figured most boats are white for a reason...even up north darker colors get hot...down here they would just melt your flesh away...

I think it is going to look good once I get the cap back on...and start getting things put back together...
 

Decker83

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

WOW Troop you are the man today for sure. The hull looks awesome. Great job.
I bet you were tired after all that spraying.
 

Trooper82

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

WOW Troop you are the man today for sure. The hull looks awesome. Great job.
I bet you were tired after all that spraying.

Thanks Dc=ecker...I'm jonesing over here waiting on your update btw...
 

fat fanny

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Ah you can always add a vynil onr later most of them now are uv resistant an can be made just like you want. Let me know if you want to go that route my buddy owns a sign shop and he has a 10' lithograph printer.
 

Trooper82

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Ah you can always add a vynil onr later most of them now are uv resistant an can be made just like you want. Let me know if you want to go that route my buddy owns a sign shop and he has a 10' lithograph printer.


I had not thought about that....might have to look into that ...
 

Trooper82

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

ok, the gel is not as thick as I had thought...goes to show you really should have the rights tools to check...

I took some 220G paper on a block to smooth out where the bow eye goes. I really should have started with 320G and used a marker to watch what I was doing more closely.

Hoping to hear from YD or ondarvr for some expert advice on what it would take to add some layers. Seeing that I already put PVA on it and it has cured not sure I can just shoot it again as is...patiently waiting....

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jbcurt00

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

If you have gel & any shot of getting another few mils laid down soon, I'd shoot them both a PM w/ that pix and prep/re-shoot questions....
 

ondarvr

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

As long as its been sanded you can re-coat it with no problems. Sanding through is common, and a bit frustrating, but happens to everyone that does this type of work at one time or another. .
 
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