1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

[GT1000000]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Been following along all along GWP, and I gotta say you and Jr. are one good working team...your resto is looking top notch...I have learned some good ideas from following along...thanks for sharing...Congratulations on reaching this most awesome of milestones...the transom looks Grrrrrr-8!:thumb:

 

[jigngrub]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

I'm sure grass mowing is much better than snow blowing.

Transom looks real good and I really like the waler method for clamping, I consider it the most effective method because you can really squeeze the squat out of it.

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Been following along all along GWP, and I gotta say you and Jr. are one good working team...your resto is looking top notch...I have learned some good ideas from following along...thanks for sharing...Congratulations on reaching this most awesome of milestones...the transom looks Grrrrrr-8!:thumb:

Thanks GT! It feels like the resto has actually begun now. It's the first new wood going back in.

I'm sure grass mowing is much better than snow blowing.

Absolutely I can't ride on the snowblower with an iced tea.

Transom looks real good and I really like the waler method for clamping, I consider it the most effective method because you can really squeeze the squat out of it.

Yeah, we were quite pleased with the squat that got squeezed out every opening

 

[Tboner7864]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

GWPSR maybe by the time I get to where your at my jr. will be able to help me:laugh:, Actually it will probably be the misses

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Long holiday weekend started today, and the original plan was to spend a couple of those days working on the boat. The jetstream, on the other hand, had different plans. Mid 30's and raining today. Mother Nature, Y U no celebrate Memorial Day?

So, with filleting and tabbing ruled out, I decided to pre-cut cloth for the transom:

Transom cloth is cut 3" bigger than the transom on all edges, which will be tabbed onto the hull. I also cut a bunch of 6" wide strips for tabbing.

Temps should be in the 60's the rest of the weekend. I hope so. I don't want to fillet later when it gets to be 80. I mixed a batch of peanut butter last week (when it was in the mid 80's) and couldn't get it all out of the pan fast enough. It kicked stupid-fast and started smoking. At 60-70, I have 30-45 minutes. At 85, maybe 15 mins in the pot. I may have to buy some slow hardener later this summer.

 

[jigngrub]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Mix in a bigger pan so the PB isn't so thick/deep.

It is kinda irritating to have a batch kick in the cup or pan in just a matter of minutes... but the stuff you spread out thin on whatever you're working on will take hours or days to set and cure.

If you want to see an old man move fast, give me 8 oz. of epoxy mix in a solo cup in 95* temps... squeegees go flying and chip brushes have vapor trails coming off of them, then when it's all spread out you have to wait 'til the next day to do the next coat.

Have you started stringer fab yet? Know what you're going to use? I'd go ahead and do that in the cool weather so I could "make hay" when the sun shines and the air warms.

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

When the temps get above 80 I reduce the MEKP to 1% or 1.25%. Gives you more time. Make sure to never Glass in direct sunlight, always in the shade. When temps are up keep the stuff cool. Use an ice chest and keep it on ice and right before you need it take it out dump in the MEKP Mix and apply. You can "Fool It" into thinking it's cold outside.

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Mix in a bigger pan so the PB isn't so thick/deep.

Mixed it in a quart container, and poured it immediately into a standard painter's tray. Wasn't more than a half inch deep anywhere.

It is kinda irritating to have a batch kick in the cup or pan in just a matter of minutes... but the stuff you spread out thin on whatever you're working on will take hours or days to set and cure.

At 70, this "15 minute" hardener lasts a good 30 minutes in the pot, and at an hour is still a bit "smeary". At 80, 15 minutes means 15 minutes. At 85, mix less and work faster is the lesson.

If you want to see an old man move fast, give me 8 oz. of epoxy mix in a solo cup in 95* temps... squeegees go flying and chip brushes have vapor trails coming off of them, then when it's all spread out you have to wait 'til the next day to do the next coat.

LOL!

Have you started stringer fab yet? Know what you're going to use? I'd go ahead and do that in the cool weather so I could "make hay" when the sun shines and the air warms.

The layout is pretty complex in the original, with separate pieces between bulkheads of various heights. No, we haven't started that phase yet. I'm going to try to run one-piece from transom to midships and notch in the bulkheads.

The originals were all douglas fir dimensional lumber. So far that's my plan, at least for the main stringers in the rear half. The forward stringers were engineered with a foam core, and will be wood core this time around. I'll know whether it'll be dimensional lumber or plywood when we get some lines snapped and layout marked.

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

When the temps get above 80 I reduce the MEKP to 1% or 1.25%. Gives you more time. Make sure to never Glass in direct sunlight, always in the shade. When temps are up keep the stuff cool. Use an ice chest and keep it on ice and right before you need it take it out dump in the MEKP Mix and apply. You can "Fool It" into thinking it's cold outside.

This is epoxy, but I may try the cooler thing on hot days with the resin. The hardener is pretty thick at ambient temps, so chilling it might not be easy to work with.

By the way, you never reacted to our transom ply gluing above. I thought for sure you'd notice the use of PB instead of PL

 

[jigngrub]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

So, you goin' all epoxy on this build G?

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

So, you goin' all epoxy on this build G?

On the inside, yeah. There is some exterior work that will require fairing. That might be poly.

 

[jigngrub]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

That would be my choice too. Being cooped up in thar cavern with noxious and flammable fumes can't be good for ya... on the outside in the fresh air is a different story.

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

I did see that you used epoxy PB for the transom but the amount of thickener didn't seem quite enuf. Was is the consistency of Peanut Butter? Usually with Poly PB we use the squeeze out from the install to do the filleting at the same time of the install. I've never had Epoxy kick that fast and "Smoke" on me. Poly yeah plenty of times but not epoxy. That's kinda weird. Especially the Medium.

 

[Slacker411]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Make sure to never Glass in direct sunlight, always in the shade.

Say for instance you did the glass layup in a shaded garage, would you want to pull the boat out into the sun for it to cure? Or can a proper cure still be achieved indoors?

 

[gwpjr]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

I did see that you used epoxy PB for the transom but the amount of thickener didn't seem quite enuf. Was is the consistency of Peanut Butter? Usually with Poly PB we use the squeeze out from the install to do the filleting at the same time of the install. I've never had Epoxy kick that fast and "Smoke" on me. Poly yeah plenty of times but not epoxy. That's kinda weird. Especially the Medium.

We added almost double the amount of thickener once we started mixing. In their boat building guide, West recommends a mayonnaise consistency for the transom. What we ended up with was just slightly thicker than that. Any thinner and it would run, any thicker and it wouldn't flow properly.

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

64 oz of thick PB later, and we have fillets:

Weather is in the mid to upper 50's today, so I was able to work it without issue. A short piece of 1 1/2" PVC pipe makes a good tool for smoothing the radius.

Will let that cure before I come back and do the tabbing. I want to grind off any boogers that may remain before I lay cloth over it.

gwpjr and I are going to take his boat out later this afternoon to work on adjusting his idle setting now that he has the prop set and the tach installed.

This is the coolest Memorial Day weekend I can remember in a long time. Not complaining though. Usually I plant the vegetable garden on this weekend, and most years I suffer sunburn and near heat stroke. Gonna make for happier layups too.

 

[Lwarden]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

64 oz of thick PB later, and we have fillets:

Weather is in the mid to upper 50's today, so I was able to work it without issue. A short piece of 1 1/2" PVC pipe makes a good tool for smoothing the radius.

Will let that cure before I come back and do the tabbing. I want to grind off any boogers that may remain before I lay cloth over it.

gwpjr and I are going to take his boat out later this afternoon to work on adjusting his idle setting now that he has the prop set and the tach installed.

This is the coolest Memorial Day weekend I can remember in a long time. Not complaining though. Usually I plant the vegetable garden on this weekend, and most years I suffer sunburn and near heat stroke. Gonna make for happier layups too.

So Im confused??? did you use Pl for the adhesive from transom to hull or epoxy PB? I watched and listened to Frisco Jarret on his transom redo and he said when he used PB to glue the transom in it kicked really fast and he almost lost it. That scares me as Im using Poly also. I used PL for the glue to adhere the 2 pieces of plywood together.

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

I was originally going to use PL to glue in the transom, but decided to take the plunge and use epoxy PB instead. I have great luck with this epoxy when the temps are below 70, so it went without issue. We had it all rehearsed and all of the materials pre-measured and laid out ahead of time just in case.

If it had been 80 out that day, I would never have made it. The US Composites "fast" hardener is scary over 80 degrees, but great on days like today (55). The fillets I did earlier today are at the barely gooey stage now, and it's been 4 hours. I'll buy "medium" hardener next time.

I bought PL to do the transom originally, but since I will be bedding stringers with it, it's still useful.

 

[jigngrub]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Transom looks sweet!

Take the PL back for a refund, I much prefer the thought of you moving like lightning using the 'poxy PB than sitting on your duff for 72 hrs. waiting for the the PL to cure and off-gas.

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1981 Bayliner Victoria 2750 - Restore or Bust

Ground around the fillets, washed the whole area with acetone, then tabbed and glassed the transom today:

With a few cuts around the edges, the cloth laid well into the relief areas:

The corners were a breeze (pic quality is a little off):

The area around the garboard drain. I PB'ed a half of a 1 1/2" PVC pipe before the transom was filleted. I glassed right over it. Will cut out the opening once the epoxy has fully cured.