1980 Tidecraft Bass Boat Restoration

budski

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Re: 1980 Tidecraft Bass Boat Restoration

God I could have really used one of those a few times, the scraper blade for the sazall
 

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Re: 1980 Tidecraft Bass Boat Restoration

Are those "OOZE" holes in the transom? Are you using Epoxy or Poly? Where did you get your Supplies?
 

a1964rn

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Re: 1980 Tidecraft Bass Boat Restoration

Looking really great, nice job on the trailer also
Thanks!

Are those "OOZE" holes in the transom? Are you using Epoxy or Poly? Where did you get your Supplies?
No, They're screw holes. I'm using epoxy from US Composites. I coated both halves with epoxy, then thickened more epoxy and spread it on both halves with a notched trowel, then screwed it together.
 

a1964rn

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Re: 1980 Tidecraft Bass Boat Restoration

Got the holes drilled in the transom, then filled with epoxy. Drilled them 1/4" - 3/8" oversized. Next step is to drill them out the correct size.
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a1964rn

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Got the rear stringers cut, and laid out while my other epoxy dries.

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I still have some fabricating to do. This boat had a step-down area where the gas tank sat. I have to get the correct size for the tank I want (18 gallon) before I finish the layout.
 

a1964rn

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Got the transom laminated in. I'm gonna try to get it glassed in today. I'll post more pics then.
 

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What kind of dimensional lumber are you usinng? Does the Boat have a Bilge area? How did you Clamp the Transom to the outer skin? Did you Thicken the epoxy to attach it to the outer skin? What weight and style of cloth will you be using to glass it to the boat?
 

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Using 3/4" Plywood. Bought 2 sheets of the Arouca (didn't need but 1), so I'm using the left-overs. It does have a bilge area. That's part of my fabrication I have to do next. The rear stringers are straight, so they were easy to cut. I thickened my epoxy to a consistency between pb and mayonaise. I spread it on the rear skin and on the transom. I then clamped the transom to the rear skin using the holes already in the transom and some 2x6's. I added additional clamps across the top, however, with epoxy, you don't clamp it too tight. Just tight enough to have epoxy starting to squeeze out evenly all the way around. I'm using 6" 1708 to tab it in, and I'm thinking 2 layers of 1708 should glass it in good. I'll overlap each layer by about 2".
 

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Re: 1980 Tidecraft Bass Boat Restoration

Transom is in!
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Fillets got a little messy before I cleaned it up. Somewhat.:rolleyes:

Tabbed in.
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a1964rn

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Re: 1980 Tidecraft Bass Boat Restoration

First layer of 1708

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Second layer:

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Re: 1980 Tidecraft Bass Boat Restoration

I haven't been on here in a while, the weather has been nice for this time of year so doing as much fishing as I can. You have really rolled on this project over the past month, I'm hoping I can be as fortunate. I work at Lowe's and wondered if that scraper was decent or just another gimmick tool like we always carry, glad to see and hear how well it works, I will have to pick a set up tomorrow. Good luck the rest of the way, I'll be following along more often because you guys are a big inspiration to get mine started.
 

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Re: 1980 Tidecraft Bass Boat Restoration

Uhmm you don't typically use 1708 with Epoxy. It has CSM stitched to the back. Epoxy doesn't have the Styrene that is reqired to disolved the CSM. Some people think this can cause a weaker bond and for sure it soaks up more resin. 1700 cloth is all that's required.
 

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Sure you do. You have to use 1708 that is compatible with epoxy. It DOES make a very strong bond. It allows for a thicker layup of epoxy, and this is the reason for the strength. Many epoxy users DO use 1708.
 

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You notice I said typically. The CSM for Epoxy is called Powder Bonded. Is that's what's on your 1708? Since epoxy has nothing to break down the csm it gets stiff and make it very difficult to wrap the biax around contours. With Poly and Styrene to break it down it will conform to about any shape very easily. I would be very interested in reading some posts/articles/research on those using 1708 with epoxy and the benefit of doing so. I am always eager to add to my knowledge base. All my research and study has led me to believe it is not the desired method. I was also led to believe that since epoxy was much stronger than Poly the need for thicker layups was not needed or desired. Maybe I've been studying the wrong research all these years.
 

a1964rn

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This 1708 comes from USA Comp, and it is epoxy compatible. I read a lot of posts on boatbuilder central, and they use the 1708 and the 1208 a lot. I'm very pleased with the layup I got with the 1708, and had no trouble forming it around the edges. It wets out easily, and I didn't have trouble with any air bubbles. I could have probably went with the 1208, but had already bought the 1708 thinking I needed it. I plan to use it for tabbing my stringers in as well, but I have some 7 1/2 oz. cloth I plan to use capping them.
 

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Re: 1980 Tidecraft Bass Boat Restoration

Your boat and your work look great!

It's nice to see someone working with and not bothered by the added expense of epoxy resin.

I take it that the shape of your boat makes the hull fairly rigid and that's why you aren't bothering with a cradle or additional support from the trailer up to the hull?
 

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The mat attached to the 1708 will work with epoxy, the issue is there is no need for it, it adds weight and cost with little to no benefit. You create a heavier, more costly laminate that offers little more strength, if you want it stronger use another layer of 1200 or 1700 and skip the mat. Whether it will work is irrelevant, there are very few situations where mat is needed when using epoxy. When using 1700 you get a 50+% glass content, mat will be at around 30% glass, the glass fibers are where the strength is at. So mat sucks up epoxy with a low glass content resulting in lower strength.

The reason for mat when using polyester is the resin itself is rather week and brittle compared to epoxy, it relies more on the fibers to do the work. Mat is used as a first layer, and in-between layers to help eliminate the resin rich (or resin only) layer between each woven or stitched layer of fabric. The random fibers in mat fill the areas where there would otherwise be no glass, without glass this would be a very weak point in the laminate. Epoxy is strong enough to not need this help, it will be stiffer with mat due to being thicker, but the strength will not increase proportionally as it would with more stitched fabric. If you chose to use it, that’s fine, you just need to understand what it may or may not due to help your cause.
 

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Re: 1980 Tidecraft Bass Boat Restoration

Your boat and your work look great!

It's nice to see someone working with and not bothered by the added expense of epoxy resin.

I take it that the shape of your boat makes the hull fairly rigid and that's why you aren't bothering with a cradle or additional support from the trailer up to the hull?

This boat has panels that run from the transom to about 3/4 of the distance to the bow. I don't remember what the term is, but it's filled with foam. This is keeping the hull pretty rigid. I took measurements before, and after I flipped it, then set it back on the trailer. It's holding it's form and shape. I'll core sample them after I get the stringers replaced, and may have to cut the cap off and replace the foam.Until then, I'm leaving them intact.
 

a1964rn

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Thanks for the advice ondarvr. Before I ordered the 1708, I went through post after post after post and it seems like the same argument came up over and over as to whether the 1708 was needed/better not needed/worse, etc. There seems to be no concensus on the matter. It depends on who you ask. On the forums where the guys are using epoxy, the 1708 is used a lot. Therefore I bought it. I have 7.5 oz cloth that I'm using as well. The 1708 may not be optimal, but since I have bought it, I'll use it. For some applications, anyway.
Once again, thanks for the advice. If I need to buy more, I'll probably just use the 1200 biax w/out the mat.
 

a1964rn

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Re: 1980 Tidecraft Bass Boat Restoration

Rear main stringers are in.

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Tabbed in with 2 layers of 1708, overlapped 1". Wrapped with 7.5 oz. cloth.
Still have to glass in the rest of the framework. It will have a step down area to hold the gas tank. The step down area will fit between the two outer stringers, on top of the inner stringers. The inner stringers are 2" lower than the outer.
More to come...
 
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