1956 Johnson Javelin Water flow question

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Re: 1956 Johnson Javelin Water flow question

Like Wayne, I also question it being a '56 Javelin. The lower is white with no sign of it ever being Holiday Bronze. The only motor with a white lower that the '56 cowl would fit on is a '57 Javelin. However the lower pan doesn't have the elec. connector of a '57. Neither had a tiller handle, but that could have been added. Check the welsh plug on the engine for model number. It may be a hybrid. The model number on the transom bracket may not tell the whole story.

BTW, the water pump impeller is the same for both, as are most of the ignition components.

Here's a fully dressed '56 Javelin.

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Re: 1956 Johnson Javelin Water flow question

You don't have all the pieces. You are missing the front cover and the rope start cover. The Javelin cowl is the same as the regular 1956-58 cowl except for paint, decals and trim. It is not uncommon for someone to mix and match cowls on these old motors. Post your model number and we'll tell you what you have for sure. It is located on the transom mounting bracket or possibly on a silver plug on the starboard side on the engine block. White Johnson's didn't start until 1959.
I had the fron cover off for a reason and i have the starter cover... ill look later and see what the model number is... thanks guys.

Edit: it is an RJE 18 C
 

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Re: 1956 Johnson Javelin Water flow question

I took her out for a little bit and she ran good for the most part...i couldnt keep fuel going to the carb without priming the tank by hand while going...it was a pain in the rear honestly...

Does anyone know the part number for the conversion kit to make this a suction type fuel system? I thought i red that they are about $30....
 

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Re: 1956 Johnson Javelin Water flow question

It is an RJE 18 C ....if that helps
 

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Re: 1956 Johnson Javelin Water flow question

now i need to locate the fuel pump to convert this thing over and she will run like a champ...
 

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Re: 1956 Johnson Javelin Water flow question

RJE 18 is a 56 Javelin 30 hp. The lu should be holiday bronze though not white so makes me wonder. I have a 57 Javelin and except for the missing electrical plug your's looks like mine on the leg. My cowl is different and mine is a 35 hp. Picked mine up last fall as a barn find for 50 dollars and it ran. Not good, but it ran. Running good now though.
 

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Re: 1956 Johnson Javelin Water flow question

Hey is this a Javelin? been sitting in dad's shed since 1976. I painted before then and as I remember it did have some chrome on it and I believe it had Javelin on the cowl. I did check the serial # some time ago and it listed as a 1956 30hp. I hope the pick attached
 

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Re: 1956 Johnson Javelin Water flow question

RJE 18 is a 56 Javelin 30 hp. The lu should be holiday bronze though not white so makes me wonder. I have a 57 Javelin and except for the missing electrical plug your's looks like mine on the leg. My cowl is different and mine is a 35 hp. Picked mine up last fall as a barn find for 50 dollars and it ran. Not good, but it ran. Running good now though.
i have no clue.. maybe the lu is interchangeable? but on the transom mount is says RJE 18 C... so i dont know... i do know that it wont run right with the 2 line pressure tank system without me priming it while trying to keep the carb needles from vibrating and moving while trying to steer LOL....i was having a hard time...

Where can i find a new choke cut off cylinder as mine is broken and i have to reach in and pull the linkage to cut the choke off...

I wish i knew what i was doing i dont think this old motor is good for my first boat HAHA... but i like the nostalgia of it :)
 

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Re: 1956 Johnson Javelin Water flow question

I don't think you want a new choke solenoid. But if you do, they're $58.35 from ishopmarine.com. You might be able to find a 12 volt one from a junker. They used the same solenoid from 1957 up several years.

If your needles are rattling around, it's sucking air which would contribute to poor running. It could also experience a lean condition ending in engine damage. You need new packing washers around each. The top takes 2 (part # 43-123) at 89? each. The bottom takes 4 (same part #). These packing washers usually come with a carb kit which you probably also need.
 

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Re: 1956 Johnson Javelin Water flow question

I don't think you want a new choke solenoid. But if you do, they're $58.35 from ishopmarine.com. You might be able to find a 12 volt one from a junker. They used the same solenoid from 1957 up several years.

If your needles are rattling around, it's sucking air which would contribute to poor running. It could also experience a lean condition ending in engine damage. You need new packing washers around each. The top takes 2 (part # 43-123) at 89? each. The bottom takes 4 (same part #). These packing washers usually come with a carb kit which you probably also need.


12volt nothing about that choke is power, air or anything... no wires or tubes running to it...this is a pull start, stick steer motor.

I do have a carb kit and i rebuilt the carb i have a few packing washers that i didnt know where they went... where do the go on the needles?
 

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Re: 1956 Johnson Javelin Water flow question

Sorry, about the solenoid. I misunderstood. However the only part on that motor that meets your description "but the D batteries sized thing that bolts to the bottom of the carb..it has a cylinder in it and a dust boot but it is not functioning properly...", is the electric solenoid - 6 volt for 1956, 12 volt for 1957 and later.

Here's a drawing of your carb, courtesy wbeaton. Part references 59 and 76 are the packing washers.
 

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Re: 1956 Johnson Javelin Water flow question

Was the cap on the gas tank tight? If it was loose then the fuel system would not work and hence you have to keep pumping it up.

So this is a manual start engine? No electric start? Seems weird as you have the electric choke solenoid. The starter might have been removed?
 

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send a pic of your carb. I agree with the others that is sounds like you have an electric choke solenoid on your carb.Which makes me think more and more your motor is a hybrid. Some one put a carb off an electric start model on it and just didnt' hook up the wires. Even with the electric solenoid you should still be able to manually operate the choke with the pull knob. Just manually operate it and forget about the solenoid. you can take it off if you want it won't hurt anything. Send it to me I can use another one.
 

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Correct. If you don't see water coming out of the holes on the leg after that, don't run it too long, it will overheat. No water means you need to change the impeller. Great motors...if you want to get rid of it, send me a PM. That $750 offer from a mech should tell you what it's worth.
 

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Re: 1956 Johnson Javelin Water flow question

Wow,
I just lookeed at this thread and skipped page two, but caught the pics of his motor....NICE! tiller steering??? JUST WHAT I LIKE (although not many would:D) that cowl looks reallly nice, too. I am suprised a mechanic offered you 750 for it but I don't know how much it's worth because you never see 'em up for sale. I personally don't care as much for the looks of the golden javelin but REALLY like your maroon '56. After you get it running perfectly, and you WILL get it running perfectly with these folks helping you, it would be a real shame if you didn't get it looking good, too. You will have folks foaming at the mouth as you drive down the road or across the lake if there's any real men around:D. Don't stop until you get it right. Like you've already been told, those are really reliable motors when you get it back in shape.
I really hope you post some pics on your thread of the motor running.
JBJ
 

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Re: 1956 Johnson Javelin Water flow question

ALright, I read page two of this thing and I am UPSET with boatbouy. I tried to click the pic of his crappy looking javelin and couldn't blow it up!:mad: That thing was definitely "fully dressed"!;)
If my pressure tank wasnt' rusty I'd put a 25 dollar rebuild kit on it and forget the fuel pump. the fuel pump conversions do work as expected, though.
Good luck----I have to ask, did you check the lower unit oil? I wouldn't run it anymore unless I knew for a fact that it didn't have any water in it. Water will ruin the rascal. Buy you a bag of l.u. drain screw crush washers, you'll need 'em and they're cheap.
JBJ
 

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Re: 1956 Johnson Javelin Water flow question

Was the cap on the gas tank tight? If it was loose then the fuel system would not work and hence you have to keep pumping it up.

So this is a manual start engine? No electric start? Seems weird as you have the electric choke solenoid. The starter might have been removed?
yeah manula start and stick steer..... it is odd from what i am hearing....

it was on tight but the tank has some rust holes in the top and i jn welded pretty much the whole top and it seems to be holding...
 
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