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Mayo26

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I think you are under the impression that you bear no responsibility at all to make sure your boat is safe and ready to operate in the spring. I think you are sadly mistaken. Ultimately, you are the operator, the *captain* of the vessel, and everything falls to you to make sure of it safe condition. There is no such thing as a shop winterized boat being turn key ready to float in the spring. A thorough checkout is always a requirement. IMHO, you are blaming the wrong
 

nola mike

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I think you are under the impression that you bear no responsibility at all to make sure your boat is safe and ready to operate in the spring. I think you are sadly mistaken. Ultimately, you are the operator, the *captain* of the vessel, and everything falls to you to make sure of it safe condition. There is no such thing as a shop winterized boat being turn key ready to float in the spring. A thorough checkout is always a requirement. IMHO, you are blaming the wrong people for the shortcomings.
Disagree. People pay for the service. Most people have zero clue about how their (fill in the blank) operates, and pay for the convenience of ignorance. If you pay for winterization/summerization ( which is a stupid amount of money IMO for the amount of work involved), you expect it to be mechanically ready. Same as if you pay for an oil change. The plug should be in there, the filter should be tight. Wouldn't expect anyone to double check that.
 

Mayo26

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Well I know nothing about engines which is why I take it to the shop. So if you get your oil changed you’re suppose to crawl underneath and make sure everything is tight and secure.
 

Mayo26

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Disagree. People pay for the service. Most people have zero clue about how their (fill in the blank) operates, and pay for the convenience of ignorance. If you pay for winterization/summerization ( which is a stupid amount of money IMO for the amount of work involved), you expect it to be mechanically ready. Same as if you pay for an oil change. The plug should be in there, the filter should be tight. Wouldn't expect anyone to double check that.
Exactly
 

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I'll stand by the statement. It is up to the captain of a vessel to educate themselves enough to check everything out before putting passengers and self at hazard. It is not that hard. No vessel should leave the dock without a checkover of all systems.

With this stated example, there should be a sign says 'captain knows nothing about boats, ride at own risk'
 

Mayo26

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I'll stand by the statement. It is up to the captain of a vessel to educate themselves enough to check everything out before putting passengers and self at hazard. It is not that hard. No vessel should leave the dock without a checkover of all systems.

With this stated example, there should be a sign says 'captain knows nothing about boats, ride at own risk'
I’ve been around boats all my life. My dad was a charger captain and also didn’t know anything about engines. If you think it’s a safety issue why doesn’t the coast guard make you know about engines to get your license. Because they don’t. Which means your statement holds no useful information.
 

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I’ve been around boats all my life. My dad was a charger captain and also didn’t know anything about engines. If you think it’s a safety issue why doesn’t the coast guard make you know about engines to get your license. Because they don’t. Which means your statement holds no useful information. In fact was checked by the coast guard two years ago and passed btw. Why didn’t they have me go through engine and pass a test
 

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I’ve been around boats all my life. My dad was a charger captain and also didn’t know anything about engines. If you think it’s a safety issue why doesn’t the coast guard make you know about engines to get your license. Because they don’t. Which means your statement holds no useful information.
For someone who has been around Boats all their Life, you sound pretty clueless.
 

Mayo26

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For someone who has been around Boats all their Life, you sound pretty clueless.
Ok I guess I can’t use my riding lawnmower anymore let the grass grow. Can’t use my snowblower just let the **** pile up. Can’t use my truck either so can’t go to work.
 

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93 model hmm. I have a 95 sbc and it overheated a couple of days ago. Might want to inspect the risers and manifolds. My riser looks like crap on the inside and if not enough water is moving through it you burn holes in the rubber boots on the exhaust and it will drip..
 

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Ayuh,....... If it's got a cracked block,..??..... It wasn't winterized properly,....

Btw,...... What are we talkin' 'bout anyways,..??..??
 

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It would be smarter for them to tape the bag to the Steering Wheel or Throttle Lever
I put my 5 blue plugs for my 4.3L and my garboard drain plug in a zip lock bag.
I tape it to the steering wheel.
I use vinyl electrical tape with the sticky side up. I don't want any gummy sticky black junk stuck to my steering wheel!
 

flashback

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You asked "How do you prove your boat wasn’t winterized properly". Short answer is you can't. Ultimately it's up to you but if you paid for it and it didn't go well, lesson learned, I try to do my own maintenance for this very reason, if it goes south I only blame myself and I make a few friends here and gain a bit of knowledge..
 

Mayo26

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Ayuh,....... If it's got a cracked block,..??..... It wasn't winterized properly,....

Btw,...... What are we talkin' 'bout anyways,..??..??
I took my boat out for first time on Sunday. We used it about 5 hours and then it overheated. Was towed back to dock and it sounded like a faucet was running under engine. Started it Monday and it smoked and then same running water. Engine didn’t even get up to temp ran about 1 minute at most.
 

nola mike

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Ayuh,....... If it's got a cracked block,..??..... It wasn't winterized properly,....

Btw,...... What are we talkin' 'bout anyways,..??..??


I took my boat out for first time on Sunday. We used it about 5 hours and then it overheated. Was towed back to dock and it sounded like a faucet was running under engine. Started it Monday and it smoked and then same running water. Engine didn’t even get up to temp ran about 1 minute at most.
Um, maybe what engine?
 

H20Rat

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I think you are under the impression that you bear no responsibility at all to make sure your boat is safe and ready to operate in the spring. I think you are sadly mistaken. Ultimately, you are the operator, the *captain* of the vessel, and everything falls to you to make sure of it safe condition. There is no such thing as a shop winterized boat being turn key ready to float in the spring. A thorough checkout is always a requirement. IMHO, you are blaming the wrong people for the shortcomings.
Some times you just have to trust others after you give them money. Do you test your oil that put into the engine BEFORE you put it in? Someone could have screwed up and mis-labeled it. Did you do an ultrasonic test of all the welds on your trailer before taking it down the highway? Did you lay down the ribs and transom of your boat in glass, or are you trusting the manufacturer did it correctly? If you take your truck in to the shop for tires, do you double check the torque on every lug before even starting it? (well, that one isn't actually a bad idea, but I've never seen anyone actually do it)

List could go on forever. Point is he paid someone to do a service that apparently wasn't done correctly. Owner has no legal responsibility.
 

ScottinAZ

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Some times you just have to trust others after you give them money. Do you test your oil that put into the engine BEFORE you put it in? Someone could have screwed up and mis-labeled it. Did you do an ultrasonic test of all the welds on your trailer before taking it down the highway? Did you lay down the ribs and transom of your boat in glass, or are you trusting the manufacturer did it correctly? If you take your truck in to the shop for tires, do you double check the torque on every lug before even starting it? (well, that one isn't actually a bad idea, but I've never seen anyone actually do it)

List could go on forever. Point is he paid someone to do a service that apparently wasn't done correctly. Owner has no legal responsibility.
owner may have no legal responsibility, but it isnt the tech with a busted boat getting towed back to shore either. Not saying you need to do a full on inspection of the equipment, but a good working knowledge of your craft is NOT a bad idea. Just handing over cubic dollars and trusting a technician to "do the right thing" is often times a waste of money, as they dont have any skin in the game when things go sideways. There always seems to be some room for the shop to skirt responsibility as well, unless you can prove gross negligence (oil plug falling out after an oil change for one).
 

Rick Stephens

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My point is the captain is responsible, especially first time out for the season, to pop the engine cover and make sure the oil level is good, that it isn't spewing something, that the bilge pump and blower work, and that the boat isn't filling up with water. How friggin hard is that? Not asking all that much. Blaming everything on the mechanic is fine, but if it wastes your motor or sinks your boat, who's the idiot?
 
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