Why baitcaster???

brownies

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Re: Why baitcaster???

Why baitcaster?
So that you don't have to justify why you are using a spinning reel to all of your buddies that use baitcasters.

You may hear that you've not got into a big enough bass with a spinning reel or else you would have already switched. (that's just nuts).
Most of the locals here that are die hard baitcaster users, have only tried one type if spinning reel ($8.99 at wally world) and it came with a rod. I bought one of those once, in a bind, and thought I'd never get a 1lb fish to the bank with it. It was a joke, and I like spinning reels. (it's like driving a Pinto once and thinking all vehicles are worthless because of that one experience).

I've fished with many people and many guides. All have had SEVERAL professional over runs during our outings. I never had that problem.
These guys can hit a coffee cup at 50' though when "flipping". Best I can do is something the size of a paper plate at that distance, and it's an underhand toss.
I think with some practice, I could actually "flip" with a spinning reel, but, have never done it....and that can be blamed on laziness I guess....

I've noticed that a lure hits the water softer when "flipping" with a baitcaster.
Then again, I always seem to get compliments when I start "skipping" lures under obstacles.
Been told that you can "flip" a lure close to the water, up under tree limbs and stuff, with a baitcaster...and not with a spinning rod. But, I can do the same with a spinning rod...it's just an underhand cast where you stop the tip of the rod from coming "up".

Used to be you had to have a baitcaster if you wanted to use anything larger than 20lb test line. (unless you got a HUGE spinning reel, which just isn't practical).
Now, you can use 50lb braid on even a small spinning rod and with braid, line twist isn't an issue. Or at least I've never noticed it. I seem to wear out line faster than that.
If you need something stiffer than a med/hvy rod, you will either have to make your own (or pay dearly for it) for a spinning reel.
SOMEDAY, I'll miss or loose a fish or something that I have yet to think of will happen, AND somebody will be able to prove to me that if I was using a baitcaster, that wouldn't have happenned. Then I'll switch.

But, it's not happenned yet. I've horsed 6-8lb bass out of pads and weeds with never anything larger than a "20" size quantum and 30lb braid on a med/hvy rod. Compared to other fishermen I know, I don't get broke off, or loose fish (as a general rule) like I always hear about. And, That has nothing to do with spinning-vs-baitcasting, but, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SPINNING-VS-BAITCASTING, so...don't let anybody tell you it does.

So, Why baitcaster? Switch to a baitcaster if you are tired of everybody you know giving you grief over using spinning reels.
 

FLATHEAD

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Tell the truth Brownies,, You cant use a bait caster :) J/k J/k
 

gonefishie

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that kinda sounds like a bad idea or it didnt work for me when I first started. casting somthing kinda heavy like a diver when you get a real good back lash the lure snaps off and goes flying. get 30lb spider wire with that stuff lures dont go flying

Well, if your lure break off, you can always tie on another one. Get a bad bird nest of braided line, which tend to happen to beginner often, and you are done for the day. Unless you got extra line nearby that you can spool up the reel again. Your lure broke off was because back lash put kinks in your line, weakened the spot and you didn't change your line after a "good back lash".
 

ovlo

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Well, if your lure break off, you can always tie on another one. Get a bad bird nest of braided line, which tend to happen to beginner often, and you are done for the day. Unless you got extra line nearby that you can spool up the reel again. Your lure broke off was because back lash put kinks in your line, weakened the spot and you didn't change your line after a "good back lash".

tie another on? I dont know what you do for a living but that tends to get pricy. backlash on braided line and your done for the day? never happned to me I can get them out very quickley. and braided line dosent kink like mono so no weak spots after a backlash

whatever works for you we might have diffrent methods but just so the fish get hooked up in the end we are all happy
 

ECHO 1

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Re: Why baitcaster???

I prefer a baitcaster for heavier tackel and larger line for fishing in thick cover
you also have better accuracy and they have a better drag system, although
they are not perfect for every situation, that why you keep a few spinning reals around for that light tackel and finesse sitiuations.
 

brownies

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Yes, I can use a baitcaster. just not very well.
Most die hard baitcaster users can't use a spinning reel very well either though.
 

hellbound

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have you ever thrown a 1/2 oz spinnerbait or a rattletrap all day on spinning tackle it'll wear you out but with a baitcaster it's no bit deal. my advice is get you're self a decent baitcast real you know not top dollar but don't buy the cheapest on you can find either they suck and will just frustrate you than put on any cheap line as backing and use a good qualilt 10 to 14 pound line for the last 50 yards or so that way if you back lash you only have to change 50 yards of good line my personal favorite for general use is 12 pound berkly sensation but use whatever you're comfortible with as a beginer i would avoud braid cause when you catch a fish the pressure makes the line dig into the spool which can cause a nasty backlash. my last piece of advice was said here before do alot of practicing at home before hitting the lake nothing is more frustrating than standing on the deck of your boat picking out a backlash while your backseater is catching fish
 

mobyjaws

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I always carry a spinning reel in case I get too mad at the baitcaster. I threw a ABU 6500 overboard once in a fit of rage. Not my proudest moment but it happened. I have a ABU 5000 with 14# that I cast (poorly) in the backyard. I cast a 2" hard plastic ball with an eye screwed into it and I catch a 25# Buttugly Terrier every cast. The cat prefers feathered streamers on fly tackle. There is nothing wrong with spinning tackle but I also want to master baitcasting. In the mean time just keep catching fish anyway that works for you. Tight lines, MJ.
 

valkyr

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How about Triggerspin reels....Kind of a hybrid between Spincast (zebco 33s) and Spinners (under rod open face)...I love these things and have caught some good size cats and bass on them...Though my reel is a little small and doesn't hold as much line as I would like.

EDIT:
Didn't realize that the undercast reels were limited to lower lb line (12lb or less) and 100yds (or less). Still fun though :D
 

mobyjaws

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Triggerspins are ok for small stuff. The drags on them are about useless. I've never felt that I was at a disadvantage using spinning reels. I can do everything I need to do with them including cast into the wind. I learned to cast with either hand when I was a kid (I'm a southpaw) because the handle was usually on the wrong side and couldn't be switched. Now I just switch the handle when one arm gets tired. Bottom line, do what makes YOU happy. MJ
 

DufferJim

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Triggerspins are ok for small stuff. The drags on them are about useless. I've never felt that I was at a disadvantage using spinning reels. I can do everything I need to do with them including cast into the wind. I learned to cast with either hand when I was a kid (I'm a southpaw) because the handle was usually on the wrong side and couldn't be switched. Now I just switch the handle when one arm gets tired. Bottom line, do what makes YOU happy. MJ


Couldn't agree more.
 

Scoop

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I like using both. I have to say if I want to cast for a whole day, I like the BC. Smoother retrieve and it seems like I can fish longer without my arms getting as tired. I also like that I do not get line twist although Professional Overruns can make up for that in a heartbeat.

I have never had a problem losing a fish because of either reel, although my biggest fish have only been around the 41" mark.

After fishing with my B.I.Ls I am finally going to break down and get another Muskie setup with a BC. My current setup is a spinning, but I would like to throw some larger baits which get to be a little big for my spinning setup.

My advice if you want to fish a BC. Set it up properly with each bait you are using, put your thumb on the spool to control the speed and practice, practice, practice.

Make your casts smoothly without trying to kill the cast. If you cast it quick and heavy like a Spinning rod, you will P.O. every time.

That is where I have my biggest issues. I have both types of rods in the boat and when I switch from spinning to BC, Invariably. I will try to long cast too fast and will get P.O.

I still need practice, but hopefully next year I will be able to get out fishing more.
 

bouttime007

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Ive used a few baitcasters and really disliked them, Im sure they grow on you with time and practice but I just dont like them. Ive heard that gear ratio is higher with baitcasters, like up to 9-1 or higher. Im sure this isnt so with el-cheapo reels so that is up to how much you want to shell out.
Ive been using the (new version) Shimano Solstace 2500RH spinning reels and they have a 6.2-1 ratio and thats pretty good. As far as the trigger goes, that is the best invention since sliced bread. There isnt much fatigue at all after 8-10 hours on the hunt. I havent seen any other company that comes close to the ease and durability of Shimano. Also they have a thinner top lip of the spool so they cast better and rarely boil off line when spooled properly. The best part is they cost around 50 bucks for a very nice all around reel.
The front drag spinning reels tend to have better drag than the rear drag models, but just minimally better. Ive never had a problem with losing a fish due to drag, but I tend to let the drag run a little looser than most.
Like some people have said, its all about what you feel comfortable with and can be productive with. There are different applications for different set-ups.
 

brownies

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Not sure about why 1/2 to 1oz lures would wear you out faster on a spinning reel than a baitcaster?
I could see a limber rod working you to death on heavy lures, and, "most" spinning rods are limber...... If that's not the reason, then it would be the reel that you are not used to using, would be the one that wore you out?
I've not had that problem with spinning reel and a heavy action rod. Then again, It's what I'm accustomed to using.

Been told that a person would miss more fish on a spinning reel due to line slack. (the slack/feel that is in the line from the time the lure hits the water-to-the time you are able to set the hook).
I never put much into that train of thought and the reason is....years ago I had an ultra-lite spinning reel that the bail would not close as it should. I began closing it with my left hand when I was ready to reel, instead of via turning the handle. (no slack unless I wanted it there).
This reel really agrivated me because of this and I bought another. Caught myself a few days later manually closing the bail. (habbit had already been instilled).
I now consider this a good habbit and cannot make myself close the bail via reeling like you are suppossed to.

But, that is one of the reasons a baitcaster is preferred over a spinning reel for most people. Ability to feel/set the hook the moment the lure hits the water.
 

bouttime007

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Not sure about why 1/2 to 1oz lures would wear you out faster on a spinning reel than a baitcaster?
I could see a limber rod working you to death on heavy lures, and, "most" spinning rods are limber...... If that's not the reason, then it would be the reel that you are not used to using, would be the one that wore you out?
I've not had that problem with spinning reel and a heavy action rod. Then again, It's what I'm accustomed to using.

Been told that a person would miss more fish on a spinning reel due to line slack. (the slack/feel that is in the line from the time the lure hits the water-to-the time you are able to set the hook).
I never put much into that train of thought and the reason is....years ago I had an ultra-lite spinning reel that the bail would not close as it should. I began closing it with my left hand when I was ready to reel, instead of via turning the handle. (no slack unless I wanted it there).
This reel really agrivated me because of this and I bought another. Caught myself a few days later manually closing the bail. (habbit had already been instilled).
I now consider this a good habbit and cannot make myself close the bail via reeling like you are suppossed to.

But, that is one of the reasons a baitcaster is preferred over a spinning reel for most people. Ability to feel/set the hook the moment the lure hits the water.

I always close the bail a second before the lure hits the water, smallies hit quick.
 

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Closing the bail on a spinning reel by hand is the proper way to do it. It eliminates line twist.

Another advantage to casting set ups for me is the ability to free snagged baits, I use lots of exposed hook soft plastics in and around chunk rock and rocky bluff banks. For some reason I can free 90% of my snags using the buggy whip technique with my casting rigs. I only seem to be able to free only a fraction with the spinning gear.

It all boils down to what you like, for me I'll take a casting set up any day over a spinning rig.
 

mobyjaws

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Closing the bail by hand is also very helpful when fishing shallow water (streams). If you are not tight and reeling the second the lure hits the water you'll be hung up. It's just a matter of timing. It's not even something I'm aware of doing. Habit or muscle memory? Whatever, it works for me. I'm sure if i had used baitcasters for over 30 years I would love them too. Until I get more competent with my BC I'm staying with spin. Good fishing, MJ.
 

bouttime007

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Closing the bail by hand is also very helpful when fishing shallow water (streams). If you are not tight and reeling the second the lure hits the water you'll be hung up. It's just a matter of timing. It's not even something I'm aware of doing. Habit or muscle memory? Whatever, it works for me. I'm sure if i had used baitcasters for over 30 years I would love them too. Until I get more competent with my BC I'm staying with spin. Good fishing, MJ.

Yeah, high weeds giving you only inches of clear water above them will make you lock-n-load fast. Its second nature whenever I fish too. Its part of the mechanics of the cast when using spinning reels.
 
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