What's the deal with the Germans?

[12Footer]

There are some very knowledgable people here, and I can think of no other place where I may get an answer to this one -- and it's been buggin me;<br />Why do Germans hate America?<br />I lived-thru the cold war, East Berlin's heartless grip on half a city, and the destruction of the wall. West Berliners are as capitalistic as Amercicans are, if not more.<br />So what's the deal? Why is it that after a victory, a re-joining of a people, liberty, freedom and all the magificant benifits of it all, do they despise America? Did we not bail them out of hell twice? Did the west German populace not bear whitness to the improvements over socialism?<br />Do they miss socialism? Do they enjoy anarchy?<br />This is not a troll, and would like to get some learned responces, hopefully from a German or two, or someone with historic facts regarding American/German relations.

 

[salty87]

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was it over when the germans bombed pearl harbor?<br /><br /><br />(sorry, now back to your thread)

 

[Jack Shellac]

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I don't understand it either, 12Footer. I've done business with Germans for years now, typically buying and installing their heavy equipment. It seems to me that the typical German thinks he knows so much more than his American counterpart. Yet, at the same time, they seem kind of put off that we're the ones buying, installing and running the equipment. I don't know if it's an inferiority or a superiority complex towards Americans. I became friends with the German enginner on our last big project and asked him if his son was studying engineering and were the Germans still turning out excellently educated engineers like they had always done. He said the kids weren't going into engineering much anymore. "Too hard. Too hard. Too much studying in engineering, the kids say". I guess they're studying basket weaving, feelings appreciation,etc. like so many of ours do. They may be developing a liberal class in power who are against everything, especially the USA. Who knows?

 

[blacktie]

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"Did we not bail them out of hell twice?"<br /><br />Actually 12footer, we beat them down twice to bail the rest of europe out of hell. Your questioning would be better posed (although beat to death) about France...why do they hate us when we bailed them out twice. But this is your thread about Germany.<br /><br />They were at the top of their game technologically entering into WWII. They were the most technologically advanced country on the face of the planet. And we and the Russians defeated them. It would be hard to be in a country with great national pride, and be defeated like that. Then we (because of post war deals with the Russians) allowed their country to be split in two after the war. Imagine if a conquering power did that to the US. We would hold a grudge for a long time.<br /><br />Just my perceptions.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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At the Olympics a man went up to a competitor<br />who was carrying a very long pole.<br /> <br />"Are you a pole vaulter?"<br /> <br />"No, I'm German, but how did you know my<br />name is Walter?"

 

[KeltonKrew]

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LMAO at SBN.....

 

[SoulWinner]

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Whoa whoa whoa. Germany was hijacked and duped by a nut case that resulted in WWII. We liberated Germany from their trantical dictator, then we invested millions of $$$$$ rebuilding Germany afterwards. Thats why Germany has better telephone systems, better electicity distribution systems etc, because theirs stuff is a lot newer than ours; we built all new in the late 1940's/early 1950's. We helped rebuilt their steel industry, when was the last major steel ore processing facility / foundry built in the US? <br /><br />It is clear that the European countries that don't like the US now really don't like the Bush administration. It is the progressive, liberal, socialist segment of Europe that opposes the Bush led US, just like the socialists here at home.

 

[JB]

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I married a German in 1955, 12 Footer. We didn't stay married but we have stayed friends.<br /><br />She went back to visit relatives in both "sides" of Germany last year and was shocked at the treatment she got.<br /><br />Her take is that the dominant German cultural characteristic (arrogance) is offended that such a backwards culture as ours is dominant in the world. <br /><br />Call it jealousy or envy. They have latched on to the Iraq situation as an example of U.S. imperialism and they resent that we were able to do it without their help.<br /><br />That's my opinion on it.

 

[SoulWinner]

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Check this out. I got a real kick of this. I would like the 1st Infantry Division out of there in the next 60 days, along with every other member of the US military.<br /><br /> Cry Babies

 

[kenimpzoom]

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Its not just the Germans, it is pretty much all of Europe. They are just jealous cause in reality, Americans are desendants of smart Europeans. They got out of there when the gettin was good, now the current Europeans are stuck there. They wished their parents were smart back then and got out too!<br /><br /><br />Ken

 

[Boomyal]

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Originally posted by kenimpzoom:<br /> Its not just the Germans, it is pretty much all of Europe. They are just jealous cause in reality, Americans are desendants of smart Europeans. They got out of there when the gettin was good, now the current Europeans are stuck there. They wished their parents were smart back then and got out too!<br /><br /><br />Ken

Good take, KZM! The after effects of a Continental brain drain.

 

[hayhauler]

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To me, the problem with many European countries is that they have the opinion that they are entitled to something. The only thing we in the United States think we are entitled to is to be free from attack by others. Those who choose to attack us pay a heavy price. I'd like to see every US troop out of every 'non-friendly' European country (eg, Germany and France and any others with their attitude). They are making millions of dollars every year off of our installations over there, while we're closing down installations at home.<br /><br />Those nations who want us there to help defend them and the world should act like they want us there. Those nations who think they are smarter and more capable than we are anyway should defend themselves. Let the troops spend their money at home and help our economy.<br /><br />Cut our international troop strength in half, bring those troops home to train and defend our borders and I think we'll be better off all the way around.

 

[pjc]

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hayhauler makes sense in his post. IMO we, the USA, could be viewed as the British Empire was during their reign of conquest over many regions of mother earth.<br /><br />The Britt's placed, if not military support, economic support world wide in there areas of interest.<br /><br />IMO, the time may be ripe for the US to behave similarly to other nations and disallow others entry, support our own here first.

 

[crab bait]

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we get the 'spotlite'.. an if'n your gonna dispise someone,, were the best target..<br /><br />let's face it,, germans aren't a whole lotta fun.. an if there's one thing i can say,, we are..

 

[Skinnywater]

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BERLIN - German officials voiced concern Monday that their country has the most to lose with President Bush's announcement that tens of thousands of troops will return to the United States over the next decade.

Yes!! This is such a good move. <br />If we could just line up these same troops along the Iran/Iraq/Syrian border. Then give Israel a thumbs up. And park all of our Nuclear Subs off the coast of N. Korea.<br />The war against terrorism would be over by election day.<br /><br />And 12'er, remember that "please and thank you" isn't in a liberal/socialists vocabulary.<br />And as evidenced, it isn't only the Germans. I was reminded a couple of days ago that France wouldn't let US fly over their country clear back when Reagan bombed Libya.<br />They've been hating US for a long time.

 

[12Footer]

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Originally posted by Skinnywater:<br />

BERLIN - German officials voiced concern Monday that their country has the most to lose with President Bush's announcement that tens of thousands of troops will return to the United States over the next decade.

Yes!! This is such a good move.

I too, have been waiting for some American diplomat with onions to do this also.<br />I like the idea of Rush Limbaugh's "excrement list" (I'll explain that in detail if requested).<br />But ever since we "left without them", thier attitude has been bugging me. It has before that, as was the French. But thier reaction to requests for support the war on Islamic terror has me baffled, outside of the UN "food-for Oil" scandal they most certainly are knee-deep in.<br />Still, it has me second-guessing our reaching-out and liberating any more of these ingrates on a national scale.

 

[PW2]

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I don't know that Germany hates America--I'd like to see some ojective evidence to a statement like this- but clearly they don't like many of the policies of the current administration.<br /><br />From the very beginning of this administration, we have thumbed our collective noses at everything the Europeans care about--From Kyoto, to steel tarriffs, to cancelling the ABM treaty, etc. all the way up to invading Iraq.<br /><br />All of which is leading to a less secure, less prosperous Europe generally.<br /><br />And now we are surprised they haven't clicked their heels and gushed a big thank you?<br /><br />We clearly are big enough and strong enough to get away, for now, with kicking them around, but I would not be surprised if they balk at polishing our boots while we are doing it.

 

[kenimpzoom]

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Originally posted by PW2:<br /> From the very beginning of this administration, we have thumbed our collective noses at everything the Europeans care about--From Kyoto, to steel tarriffs, to cancelling the ABM treaty, etc. all the way up to invading Iraq.<br /><br />All of which is leading to a less secure, less prosperous Europe generally.<br /><br />

Yes, but all of this is leading to a more secure, more prosperous AMERICA.<br /><br />For too long we have worried about everyone else, time to take care of our people back home.<br /><br />Ken

 

[oddjob]

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Originally posted by PW2:<br />From the very beginning of this administration, we have thumbed our collective noses at everything the Europeans care about--From Kyoto, to steel tarriffs, to cancelling the ABM treaty, etc. all the way up to invading Iraq.<br /><br />All of which is leading to a less secure, less prosperous Europe generally.<br />

Hell yeah! I agree w/ PW on this note. Thanks for recogizing credit where its due PW....Vote Bush in again!

 

[SoulWinner]

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PW, education education education. Right now we spend more on education than ever and our schools are failing because people don't WANT to learn. And thus, we have to suffer through silly statements like yours regarding Kyoto. Here are some facts:<br /><br />"Friday, March 30, 2001 <br />WASHINGTON (UPI) – President Bush on Thursday tried to reassure visiting German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and the European Union that his administration would work with allies on environmental protections, despite the White House's refusal to support a greenhouse gas reduction treaty.<br />"We'll be working with our allies to reduce greenhouse gases," Bush told reporters ahead of his meeting with Schroeder. "But I will not accept a plan that will harm our economy and hurt American workers."<br /><br />At issue is the 1997 Kyoto accord, a treaty signed by the United States and 54 other nations. The agreement is designed to limit emissions by industrial nations of greenhouse gases, which many scientists believe causes global warming.<br /><br />The legislature of only one of the signatories, Romania, has so far ratified it. The White House said Wednesday the Bush administration would back out of the treaty given overwhelming opposition in the U.S. Congress - the Senate has rejected it 95-0.<br /><br />Bush said Kyoto regulations would be overly burdensome to U.S. industry at a time when businesses struggle against a slowing economy.<br /><br />Schroeder, a major backer of the Kyoto accord, said the issue was the one major point of disagreement in his meeting with Bush.<br /><br />"That was no surprise to you," Schroeder told reporters as he sat with Bush in the Oval Office. "We are happy to admit to you that we hold different opinions regarding this. We were also happy to admit to one another that we had different positions on this."<br /><br />So, only Romania has ratified the Kyoto Protocol, and Bush is the bad guy? The Kyoto Protocol was rejected by the US congress 95 to 0 and Bush is the bad guy? That is bunk. The reasons you listed for European opposition to the US are a load of crapola. Obviously you, folks that think like you, the limp wristed Nancy boy Democratic Presidential nominee; and dare I say it, libs in general want to take a back seat to leadership from from Schroeder, Putin and Chirac. Wake up dude. These were the boys that wanted to PROTECT Saddam Hussein because they were in bed with the guy in the "oil for Palaces" deal. How can you even suggest that America put our national security and resolve to win this war we are fighting against terrorists under the approval of corrupt peckers like them??? The security of America is more important than European attitudes toward America, and the lives of the 3000+ lost on 9/11, their memories, and the lessons learned, and the fight to insure that another 9/11 does not occur on US soil is more important than the wishes of corrupt European leaders, and if you don't think so, well my friend, that breaks my heart.