what would this boat intitle and costs be?

[Mikeyboy]

Re: what would this boat intitle and costs be?

Sbl I am with qc on this one. It sounds like you have a good neighbor that wants to take you under his wing. If you can work out the "sharing" arrangement with him that sounds like it would be the best for both of you. I also think while that may be a lot of boat for someone in your position if you have the drive to do it I say go for it. The worst that happens is you fail and than you learn some really good, certainly hard, lessons but it's better to learn those lessons young anyways. As far as how people here on the forum treat you it seems to me that people here are generally really good people and are frustrated because they feel you ask questions but ignore answers. That is partially understandable because you are young and at your age most of us didn't want to listen to what old farts told us either, especially if it was something we didn't want to hear. I think the fact that this thread has as many posts as it does shows they are still willing to give you a chance and I know for a fact that a lot of people here do want to help you still. I think if you buckle down and really give this boat everything you have you can make a good go of it and if you really try to listen to the advice given you will also turn a lot of people's opinions of you around as well. So long story short (to late!) I say cut your losses with red work out a deal with your neighbor and try your best to take the advice here for what it's worth. I wish you luck and hope at the least you learn a lot and maybe even get the chance to have some fun on the water.
Mike

 

[NYBo]

Re: what would this boat intitle and costs be?

painting my sailboat cost me $50

Well, guess again for antifouling bottom paint. It will run you a wee bit more. And that doesn't include the undercoat, if needed.

This boat will eat you alive if you run it, or disintegrate into a hulk if you don't.

 

[25thmustang]

Re: what would this boat intitle and costs be?

Well, guess again for antifouling bottom paint. It will run you a wee bit more. And that doesn't include the undercoat, if needed.

This boat will eat you alive if you run it, or disintegrate into a hulk if you don't.

Normally I don't dilvuge prices and costs. But I will for this... I recently bottom painted the 34'er in my signature. Got the paint for a steal (but a steal that anyone with a little effort could have found). Enough to do two coats for... under $50. The green cost $30. So for a total of $80 in paint this was done. Now add in the brush, roller, one roller cover, 1" wide tape, and it's probably a bit over $100. Sure thats $100, and potentially a bit for a 15 year old... but far from the $1500 I read earlier.

 

[Home Cookin']

Re: what would this boat intitle and costs be?

antifouling paint runs $125/gallon on special special on up. Mustang, how many gallons did you use? Let's be realistic, even for a DYI, b/c our hero seldom is.

I also see your boat is up on stands. Did you pay to do that? rent a yard? slings? Do you think a 15 year old could do that in his back yard? Should he? Can you see him rawling around under his home-made, first-time blocking job?

One of the biggest disconnects is that SBL assumes dealing with a 26' boat is like dealing with a 16' boat. It's a whole 'nother world.

Likewise, the suggestion of "boards and tarps." Remember, he wants to keep this in a neighborhood. Few neighbors would, or should, tolerate looking at that. Again, he's out of his element if he thinks he can maintain and store a boat that big for pennies.

SBL if your neighbor lets you use the boat, be sure to get added to his insurance as an additional user. Otherwise, when you hit something (when, not if) the company won't deny coverage. If his agent says it's not necessary, have him send a letter to the insurance company anyway that you are an authorized user. Keep a copy of that in the boat with the registration so that when (when, not is) you are inspected you can show you have permission to operate. No LEO is giong to watch a 15 yo go by in a cabin cruiser alone, or worse, with his 15 yo friends aboard.

 

[smallboatlover]

Re: what would this boat intitle and costs be?

you really don't know my skill with boats do you? on the weekend i drive a 26' center cabin boat with twin motors. this is just volintering. it's for harbor patrol yes i do have some one with but ive bin taught a lot about driving a power boat that big. Also i have driven this bayliner before its a real easiy boat to handle not hard to drive. just woulkd have to get use to the i/o.ill see what happens ill talk to him and see.

 

[Home Cookin']

Re: what would this boat intitle and costs be?

you really don't know my skill with boats do you? .

no, but I can draw reasonable assumptions from what I do know about your age, maturity, judgment and thought process. And anyone can drive a boat. The skills show up at docking and dealing with the unusual and unforseen.

 

[tnriver]

Re: what would this boat intitle and costs be?

Reading what I have seen so far. You are not disliked here. True concern is here for what your obligations are at this stage of your life.

 

[25thmustang]

Re: what would this boat intitle and costs be?

antifouling paint runs $125/gallon on special special on up. Mustang, how many gallons did you use? Let's be realistic, even for a DYI, b/c our hero seldom is.

I also see your boat is up on stands. Did you pay to do that? rent a yard? slings? Do you think a 15 year old could do that in his back yard? Should he? Can you see him rawling around under his home-made, first-time blocking job?

One of the biggest disconnects is that SBL assumes dealing with a 26' boat is like dealing with a 16' boat. It's a whole 'nother world.

Likewise, the suggestion of "boards and tarps." Remember, he wants to keep this in a neighborhood. Few neighbors would, or should, tolerate looking at that. Again, he's out of his element if he thinks he can maintain and store a boat that big for pennies.

SBL if your neighbor lets you use the boat, be sure to get added to his insurance as an additional user. Otherwise, when you hit something (when, not if) the company won't deny coverage. If his agent says it's not necessary, have him send a letter to the insurance company anyway that you are an authorized user. Keep a copy of that in the boat with the registration so that when (when, not is) you are inspected you can show you have permission to operate. No LEO is giong to watch a 15 yo go by in a cabin cruiser alone, or worse, with his 15 yo friends aboard.

Here is my take on it, devils advocate if you will...

I went with 2 gallons, at $20 a gallon, due to one boat yard closing, and their sister yard getting the bottom paint that they were unable to sell as new. Brand new, never opened, one gallong of dark blue, one of black. Mixed it in and it came out like above. This sale was no secret either, they advertised it, and I decided to jump on the deal. Paying retail makes things tough, but if he is anything like me, he will probably keep an eye out for discounts and deals. I am only throwing out what I have done, as if he is strapped for money, there are ways to get decent results with less of it.

My boat 34' is blocked by the yard, my 29' boat came with blocking. I'm unsure how his boat will be blocked, or on a trailer, but I would imagine the previous owner had a way to block or trailer it, and SBL would be getting these items with the boat? If he does not have either, which is hard for me to imagine, then a set of 4 stands, and wood blocking, to safely block may run $150-200, if you head out and find a deal. I know because I sold 27' boat blocking for this price just two seasons ago. I roll around under my two blocked up boats, and did so under my last two.

I also boarded and tarped my boat in a neigborhood with $750,000 houses... Noone had any issues, even when I had two boats (a 25' Wellcraft, a 27' IMP Express), my fathers 24' enclosed car trailer, two open car trailers, an 18' Hydrasports ski boat, as well as 12-14 cars/trucks. Every neigborhood is different. I won't comment on his situation as I don't know it, but it sounds like his neigbor makes due with this boat already, that leads me to think SBL may also not have concerns with storing and covering the boat.

Maybe my examples are to the extreme in one direction, but $1500 bottom paint, IMO is extreme to the other direction. For that money your talking A professional media blast, barrier coats, multiple top coats, etc... I'm not sure thats required in every situation.

Oh well, I say good luck to SBL. He seems to be into boats, and if I was 15 and had the opportunity to grab a 24' well maintained cabin cruiser... you better believe I would have jumped. I was older and got my first 27'er as a project. I was over my head and never got her splashed when I found rotted wood. I then moved into the 29'er I am selling, and now the 34'. Boating is an addiction and I see SBL as someone addicted to it. He is young, and does have huge ideas that may never pan out, but I give him credit for getting into it, and actually being out and having fun on the water. Most 15 year olds I see play video games and sit around the house...

 

[CC245]

Re: what would this boat intitle and costs be?

I see a huge problem!! Your profile name will have to be changed

 

[NYBo]

Re: what would this boat intitle and costs be?

I see a huge problem!! Your profile name will have to be changed

Love it!

BTW, which B'ville, NY?

 

[spoilsofwar]

Re: what would this boat intitle and costs be?

BTW, which B'ville, NY?

My money is firmly on Baldwinsville. Which makes him my (sorta) neighbor

 

[25thmustang]

Re: what would this boat intitle and costs be?

Also, as a follow up to my point, if tarps and wood is no good, I paid $8/foot for my 29'er to be shrinkwrapped. In the end it was under $275 to wrap that boat with a zipper door in the back. If the boat is allowed, I would imagine a shrinkwrapped boat is no issue. A 24'er would be under $200.

 

[southkogs]

Re: what would this boat intitle and costs be?

i see a huge problem!! Your profile name will have to be changed:d:d

lol -

 

[smallboatlover]

Re: what would this boat intitle and costs be?

if my neibhor doesn't wanna do the borrow thing then i think i might get a 14-16' project boat and make it a center console setup

 

[lakegeorge]

Re: what would this boat intitle and costs be?

I see that my polite criticism of a few people on this site was removed. I guess if you are a moderator it's ok to skewer someone but if you question them than it's taboo.

I said it once and I'll say it again, the other Pontoon site is much more friendly that this site.
There are some really snobby people running this site, the rest are fairly nice.

The moderators told this young man to do more homework and yadda, yadda, yadda, they don't know diddly about him so how can they rip on him the way they do.

Maybe they need to take a long hard look in the mirror, then again , they may not like what they see.

 

[smallboatlover]

Re: what would this boat intitle and costs be?

thanks lake i under stand theres some like that theres some that are there for helping and thats just hit no crap.

 

[Andy'sDelight]

Re: what would this boat intitle and costs be?

I have a 23' outboard 200 HP Yamaha HPDI. By all accounts it's better on fuel consumption than a 350 inboard to my understanding. I've been in my slip since mid March, fueled up now 3 times. I have a 60 gallon tank and always fill when I'm down to half a tank or so. Each fill has cost me about $150. Considering I troll more right now than I will in the summer I definitely spend more gas per trip than I will this summer, however in the summer you can bet I'll be out more often than I am now with the nicer weather. So $450 a month in fuel is pretty much what it's going to cost me on average per month at the CURRENT fuel prices. Don't forget they're going up. Registration for the boat and trailer, seriously who cares? If that cost is an issue then the boat is an issue. Period.

As for maintenance, Shrinkwrap cost me $300. I winterized my engine which probably cost me $50. Basic spring maintenance that I did on my own cost me about $100 in parts. Yours will cost more since it's an I/O. If you need someone to do the work for you add at least $100 per hour of work in labor charges. My boat is slipped and winter stored at a marina. That cost me $3800 last for this year. I don't know where you live, but are you feasibly going to keep a 24' boat in your yard? Neighbors ok with that? Dry storage on a trailer is generally $100 a month around here. Rack stored will run roughly $2500.

The bottom line is you are dealing in thousands, not hundreds, per season just in fuel alone if you actually plan on using it regularly. If you don't use it regularly then you're going to deal with the maintenance costs of things going bad when it doesn't run. Engines like to be used. The worst thing you can do to one is let it sit, so you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Oh, and I'm being kind and not adding in the cost of the fact that it's a Bayliner and the standard maintenance of things falling apart.

 

[oops!]

Re: what would this boat intitle and costs be?

I see that my polite criticism of a few people on this site was removed. I guess if you are a moderator it's ok to skewer someone but if you question them than it's taboo.

I said it once and I'll say it again, the other Pontoon site is much more friendly that this site.
There are some really snobby people running this site, the rest are fairly nice.

The moderators told this young man to do more homework and yadda, yadda, yadda, they don't know diddly about him so how can they rip on him the way they do.

Maybe they need to take a long hard look in the mirror, then again , they may not like what they see.

lake......in defence of the site......you do not have all the facts to make a judgment call.

i can see the posts that have been removed....all of them....and they have been removed for SBL'S sake.
many of us here. are trying to help our friend.
some of us have spent much time with him behind the scenes, answering questions.
the only problem is that every time he posts it takes 7 moderators many hours each to keep the threads clean. some of them have become short tempered about it.

i actually think your comments were kind unfair.

guys like sasto.....roscoe. are really supportive. (and every one else that has posted)

what we are actually looking at is a 15 year old that lives on or near the water......that has been around boats most of his life...at 15 he took on a major boat project that most full grown men have failed at. he didnt do too good....but he tried !
his neighbour, a guy who saw this kid working on his boat day after day and took interest in the lad.

sbl is currently volunteering with the coast guard.
i personally see, that in fifteen years, SBL might become a full blown captain. or a boat mechanic.....possibly even a true naval architect.

 

[Ryanlewis2010]

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+1 on OOPS but the only problem i see (which i also see in the course of this thread he is working on)is that he is a lil hard headed when taking instructions but hey werent you at 15

 

[ezmobee]

Re: what would this boat intitle and costs be?

I take full responsibility for my post in this thread and I stand by my opinion. (I was not the mod that removed your previous post lakegeorge)

Unfortunately everyone is not able to go back and look at SBL's complete post history because so many have had to be locked or deleted. I think that if you could, you'd come to the same conclusion.