Re: What losing this war will mean
Originally posted by mikeandronda:<br /> ...I agree we need to stay out of their beds but then if they so much as threaten us we should obliderate s/p? them......and that would include any counrty that harbors and trains and provides them with arms......hmmmmmmm sounds a bit like Iraq and afganistan.
What about Iran? Oh, yeah that's right, baby bush doesn't have anything against them personally. And it isn't advantageous to him to take them on too.<br /><br />
Originally posted by pointer84:<br /><br />Religious, political, or national wars are still wars. The fact they don't wear a uniform or occupy a body of land doesn't change the constructs of a war. This is a new twist on war and we are struggling to adapt an institution quickly from a standing army to this new form of intellegence based infiltration of the enemy.
I agree, in part. But I believe that our current administration is not trying to adapt. Instead I believe that the current administration is more focused on doing what they want, and what is going to benefit their buddies and political allies. We did not send in enough troops to get the job done in the beginning. The administration did not want to listen to the commanders at the front. And the one-sided behavior hasn't stopped since. I support our troops. I support giving them all the resources they need to get the job done. But I support educating OUR youth. Caring for OUR elderly. Providing for OUR country. And I still disagree with why we are there in the first place. The point is, we are there. We need to support our troops. But by supporting the village idiot we are validating his flawed reasoning and his lack of leadership that allowed the misinformation to be utilized unquestioned. And to address that point again,"
THE ADMINISTRATION HAD SOLID INTELLIGENCE THAT REFUTED WMD'S IN IRAQ BEFORE WE INVADED!" However, since it did not support his wants, bush ignored it. And no one on the right wants to accept that simple fact.<br /><br />
<br />I personally loath the tactics that will need to be implemented and rest assured racial profiling will be implemented with the next major American attack. Our open boarder has to be a thing of the past. But lives are in the balance. The enemy has no ethics and adhere to no rules of war, and we will eventually need some way to identify the enemy and in an open society this is impossible. Heck the London bombers were poster children for upstanding Islamic English citizens. They weren't. People died.<br /><br />Things are going to get brutal and ugly. Very ugly and more innocents will die. Homicide bombers have killed over 100 people in the past 24hrs and we are concerned about the handling of the Koran? Talk about not keeping your eye on the ball. Misplaced priorities and personal agendas will cost lives not just dollars as was the case in the past.
As for racial profiling, I am generally against any form of discrimination. But in this instance, we do not have Blacks, Chinese, Hispanics, or Slavs attacking us. We have Persians, namely Muslims attacking us. So when you are being endangered by people with such a narrow scope of characteristics it is STUPID not to profile. I too will loathe the tactics needed to win. However, as has been stated, this is war. It has it's own set of rules and civility isn't necessarily one of them. In a fight for life, you do whatever is necessary to be the victor. In this case we need to try to be as civil as possible, but still do whatever we need to in order to be that victor. We need some civility, otherwise we may win the war, but lose the world. And then we will never stop fighting.<br />
<br />Thanks for making time to understand my point.
I thank you for the respect to address me, and my opposition. That takes and deserves respect.
<br /><br />Ralph, thanks again, I do appreciate our engagements.
