Vulcarity

[Fly Rod]

Conneticut has taken the initiative to fine it's school kids for swearing $130.00 and if they can't pay, the parent pays!!! Excellent that the parent pays because that is where it starts!!! I hate the person that has to use the F word in every other sentence!!!! They are so annoying that they have nothing to say!!! <br /><br />Maybe other schools will follow!!!!!

 

[technostingray]

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Is he saying vulgar things again? Like Christmas?

 

[ZmOz]

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And how exactly can they force anybody in a free country to pay money for using a certain word? That would never hold up in court. A school certainly has no authority to enforce that...or anything else for that matter.

 

[alden135]

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Some jerk will sue claiming a free speech infringment.

 

[QC]

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This is such a healthy sign. I am dead serious. This is so not the ACLU . . . I don't like the fact that somebody is gonna get hit for the $130. I love that somebody thinks it is important.

 

[Ron G]

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I may say ugly words now,but when i was in school if you said anything ugly.oh what the h#ll if you cussed you got your a#ss beat with a big wooden paddel.and rightly so .when they took ------------out of the schools thats what's wrong with this country now.

 

[CN Spots]

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That's more than a traffic ticket. Yikes.<br /><br />I disagree with it always being the parent's fault. I cursed alot in high school cuz everybody else did and I learned most all the words on the bus. My mom taught sunday school and I can count the times on one hand that I've heard her curse in 34 years.<br /><br />I would have sold my organs for the money rather than let her get wind of me cussing. <br /><br />They most certainly should be punished for it but fining them? Has the makings of a dirty school board...<br /><br />or a hoax.<br /><br />spots

 

[Ron G]

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All yea if you swore to a teacher back in the day youd get the snout knocked out of ya.

 

[BoatBuoy]

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Originally posted by littletwodogs:<br /> Is he saying vulgar things again? Like Christmas?

You mean vulcar things?

 

[ZmOz]

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In highschool they made us read their book of rules every year, and then sign a peice of paper that says you won't break them. One day they called me into the office because I didn't turn mine in. I said I'm not signing anything. They said "but you have to". I said "f*** you!" and went home. <br /><br />The next day they called me into the office again. This time they said I have detention and gave me another form to sign. Again I said "f*** you!" and left. They called my mom and she said "I agree with him, he shouldn't have to sign anything, and you can't make him stay after school".<br /><br />It's absolutely none of the school's business to be deciding what words the kids can and can't use and what the punishment is - that is 100% the responsibility of the parent. If the parent chooses to let their child cuss that is completely within their rights.

 

[Ron G]

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This has nothing to do with rights,its about respect.

 

[ZmOz]

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Originally posted by Ron G:<br /> This has nothing to do with rights,its about respect.

And it's the parents responsibility to teach respect. If the parent decides they don't want to, that's their business too. They certainly cannot charge someone $130 for disrespecing somebody.<br /><br />Some teachers don't respect their students and don't deserve any respect themselves.

 

[JB]

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Trying to legislate morality, or in this case good manners, is a futile mission.<br /><br />I detest bad manners, but I think our Constitution guarantees the right to be ill mannered and offensive.<br /><br />I would be inclined to knock the snot out of some kid using that sort of language in mixed company, but I would defend his right to do so. It shouldn't be against the law to behave like an obnoxious jerk.<br /><br />Is that a dichotomy? Well, what you see is what you get.

 

[Ron G]

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I agree it is the parents responsibility in everthing in life.but this day and age there is no displine at home or anywere else,without displine were do we go??dont get me wrong , but children have forgotten to listen there eleders.why because they have rights, not, the parents have rights to bust there a#ss.

 

[RubberFrog]

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Kids have too many rights. I don't think they should be allowed to cuss in school. The fine is rediculous but I don't think detention is inappropriate.

 

[ZmOz]

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Originally posted by RubberFrog:<br />The fine is rediculous but I don't think detention is inappropriate.

You're right, detention is perfectly reasonable - but ONLY if the parent thinks punishment is justified.

 

[jtexas]

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My first thought when I read that (and I am not making this up) was "a hundred thirty bucks? holy ****!"<br /><br />School children do not have all the same rights as adults. They do not (nor should they) have a right to privacy. They do not (nor should they) have freedom of expression.<br /><br />Ok, in a court of law, maybe they are entitled to their rights, but a school is not a court of law. Hope it holds up.<br /><br />just my 2¢

 

[RubberFrog]

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ZmOZ, do you really think it is Ok for kids to use any language they want at school? How about telling the teacher to 'F' off, is that OK?

 

[ZmOz]

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Originally posted by RubberFrog:<br /> ZmOZ, do you really think it is Ok for kids to use any language they want at school? How about telling the teacher to 'F' off, is that OK?

If their parent thinks it's OK, then yes. Most parents don't, so there fore, most won't. A fine of any amount is NOT OK. Punishment for bad language is perfectly OK if the parent agrees. It seems the intent of this fine is to punish the parents who let their kids cuss...and that is illegal.<br /><br />And, it depends on the situation. If the kid tells the teacher to F off because they want to force them to sign a peice of paper, that's fine. If the kid says F off because they don't want to do their homework, that is not ok. Teachers can be jerks just like everyone else, and sometimes they deserve an F word in their direction.<br /><br />It's not the school's business to decide what is right and wrong for any of it's students.

 

[Drowned Rat]

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What was that Stallone, Bullock movie where everywhere you went, if you swore, you were issued an automatic fine by a computer right there on the spot.<br /><br />Malcolm Gladwell wrote a book called "The Tipping Point" that addresses seemingly minor socially unacceptable activities or infractions such as this. His theory is that you stop the behavior at it's root before it develops into something worse. You know, give an inch, take a mile. The kids see they can get away with swearing so maybe a fraction of them take the next step. Maybe skipping school, or smoking. Then when they get away with that, they might try drugs or alcohol or maybe shoplifting. Eventually they'll do something that stings them, but the idea is that if you had intervened in the beginning you might have broken the chain. <br /><br />There is evidence that this theory works and there was no better person at it than the former mayor of NY Rudy Giuliani. He stopped the littering, he stopped the vagrancy, and other public indecencies that for years were overlooked. And guess what? The crime rate in NY City Dropped dramatically almost over night and not just the petty crimes but also violent crimes, burgleries, murder, etc... <br /><br />I'm not necessarily agreeing with the "Fine the kids" campaign, but it's refreshing to see that they're sending a signal. It certainly got some folks attention.