TWO STROKE OIL

gmguy 01

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Re: TWO STROKE OIL

Have used it in merc. and johnny and now i have a force,should i use it in this engine. I respect your opinion.
 

ebbtide176

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Re: TWO STROKE OIL

so is the final answer:<br />anybody's oil works, as long as it is NMMA TC-W3 approved?
 

ebbtide176

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:D to be honest, i'd be satisfied with a for/against....<br />QuickSilver NMMA TC-W3 ??? (in old Chrysler, if it matters)
 

Pursuit2150

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From my research. Merc,OMC,Yami,Suzi, major OB mfr's oils are IAW NMMA/TC-W3 and are certed by the engine co. It's the other brands you need to be concerned about. 4yrs. ago a friend gave me a case of Q-silver and of course I used it.
 

Boostmaster

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:cool: Any 2 stroke oil with minimum API cert TCW3 will take care of all your needs! This covers present times all the way back....<br /> :mad: As for Quakerstate/Penzoil.... They also own SLICK50!! Total trash! They spend mega bucks on ads to make you buy so they get richer!<br />The only thing to keep in mind is the mix ratios, most 2 strokes are 50:1, HP racing and others require stronger mix. Check your manufacturers requirements!!!!<br /> :) :)The only reason to buy a higher price oil is to get something in return. Look for an oil that has better protection properties, low ash (Soot), Plug fouling is a big factor in hard starts, sputters, skip ect, not to mention to rid some of the smoke associated with 2 strokes. Storage surface rust. :cool: The number one reason a person wants a very good oil is to get the horse power that is used up in the normal friction of the engine. A very good oil such as a low ash 100% synthetic oil with super low to no parafins will give you this loss of horse power back to be used. This return could give you up to 15% or more power back! A couple of the BEST is less costly then the famous!<br />Now hit the water!
 

flatskiff

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First off I wouldn't trust any reviews in magazines on any product. Magazines are biased have you ever read any magazine that ripped on a product they advertize? When it comes to 2-stroke oil get the best you can for your money. I have a big interest in 2-strokes and spend alot of my spare time reading about them and giving advise on another message board that is about strictly 2-strokes only. We've been down the this road many a times there. Everyone there is trying to get the best performance for their engines and most are full blown race ported. When it comes to an engine like thoese we use only the best synthetic and cleanest burning oils. And even then we replace the piston every 40 hrs and lightly hone the cyl. In a 2-stroke piston wear it is extremly fast compared to 4-strokes due to the holes in the side of the cyl that the piston scufs on every rotation. The main important think to do even if you use walmart brand which I'd never touch it to mix only what your gonna use for the day and don't use mixed gas after it has sat for much more than a week. Save that stuff for your weed wacker. Gas breaks down oil not all the way till it's gone but enough to cause excessive wear. I just bought a lil 6hp chrysler for a boat I'm building and I was amazed that the guy had gas mixed for almost 2 years still in the can!!! Kinda makes me want to replace all the crank bearings and put in a new topend before I even attempt to start it. A for my oil of choice it's Amsoil they only make synthetic oils and all are race proven. One report of a guy used there oil in a brand new mack diesel for almost 300,000 miles with out changing it. They tore down the engine and found almost no wear at all and all the parts could have been put right back in. Other good brands are Klotz, Golden spectro, Maxima 927. These are all synthetic and some have a mix ratio of 100:1 which brings me to ratios. I see alot of ppl asking what ratio do I use on my engine? Thats the wrong question the right one is What ratio is my oil? The answer is right on the bottle use no less and if you really like to over kill you may use more but why? Not all oils are the same so how could you expect to run all of them at the same mix? Ok I think I've said enough I urge anyone interested in using the best oil for there buck to check out Amsoil you can view all there products at www.amsoil.com and all their oils are excelent I'd use the 50:1 oil for everyday use and series2000 100:1 for race and performance engines. Although I've actually never seen an advertizement for them their demand is so great they can hardly keep up sometimes and all because of a good reputation and through word of mouth.
 

wimpie

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Flatskiff: I am a believer in Amsoil but with the two stroke we use in racing bikes it seems to be getting a lot of build up and so was a little skeptical about putting it in my boat motor that I don't want to tear down all the time.
 

my new fishmaster

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I think you guys are wrong super tech Wal-mart brand is Quaker State. I must mention I used itasca synthetic from walmart in my 89 merc and I did have fuel pump problems.
 

Dhadley

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Yes, Wal-Mart oil is packaged by PZL/QS but is built to Wal-Mart's specs. It is not the same as Pennzoil TCW3 nor Pennzoil Blend nor Pennzoil Full Synthetic. It is true that PZL/QS owns other products that we have found to be not so good, but the Pennzoil Blend is an excellent product. It compares favorably aginst other good oils that are more expensive.<br /><br />Good luck!
 

petryshyn

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Hi flatskiff <br /> <br />Is it possible that the "Mack Truck Story" came from one of those magazines yee spoke of, or a "reliable" testimony via Amsoil....just curious.<br /><br />Heavy equipment vehicles have some neat systems out there. Some never require oil changes. The filters are changed, and oil is added as necessary, so I'd imagine its possible. The majority of engine wear is at start-up. To skew ones results of comparing wear, and to cheat the wear demons, just keep it running. <br /> I'm certainly not here to debunk Amsoil. I've used it a few times and had no failures or fortunes. I feel its as good as any other synthetic. But then again, I'm not a chemist....I'm also not part of the racing circuit, but it seems to me that Amsoil is not the only name that is plastered all over engines and cowlings.....I'll bet the others think their oil is the best as well. :)
 

flatskiff

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I don't remember where I read about the truck story it was probably on the other message board I belong to. I'm not all to familiar with marine engines and oils but the engines I'm used to are liquid cooled and operate around 240 deg F temp being measured from coolent. I would assume a marine engine would run a quite a bit cooler obviously. So don't use the old gas in your weedwacker but still don't keep it around too long either. I've heard of oils that run extremely clean and others that build up bad but in either case there protection was immense. The gunky one was klotz it had a bad build up in the exhaust port. The two most raved about being clean were Amsoil and golden spectro. Reports of thoese have been based on about 2 years of riding without teardown and the individuals said they would have bet the topend only had 20 hrs on it. One of the most well respected engine builders I know in the motocross buisness uses Amsoil on his bikes. He also runs the site with the bulliten board I speak of www.macdizzy.com it's a 2-stroke only site and board so if anyone decides to post there keep it to the 2's or you'll be in trouble. You'll also want to post in the watercraft section of the board. There is alot of dedicated and extremely knowleged ppl there.
 

Capt. Bob

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The reason the Mack truck got so many miles or hours out of his oil was filtration...not the oil. Their is a company called Gulf Coast Filters that makes canisters for rolls of paper towels to be used as filters for marine and other engines. Fine filtration to remove as much as the particulate is the key. Raycor and others also offer small micron filters for primary and secondary filtration. Is becoming popular to "super filter the oil" with the guys that accumulate many $$ and hours on their boats. Not only does it save oil $ but also less down time and oil changing underway.
 

petryshyn

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We must be very careful when comparing oils. If you mix Amsoil at 100:1 you can't compare its carboning qualities to others mixed at 50:1 . You must compare apples to apples or the results are skewed. You can bet anything coming from Amsoil will be results from 100:1. <br />My question is....Does amsoil 100:1 mix give as good a lubrication protection as a premium oil mixed at 50:1 when operating at idle and low speeds? :confused:
 

Capn Mike

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We have been down this road many times before, and so I'll repeat my story: I, too, was seduced by the cheaper prices @ my local West Marine. I tried Exxon and Lubrimatic and rejoiced over the money I was saving as the fuel and oil poured through my 200 hp Johnson. Then one day, after several hours of alternating slow and fast, the engine would go no faster than 4000 rpm. To make a boring story less boring, I had to clean out the rings and change the plugs. Three mechanics told me to never use any brand other than Evinrude, Mercury or Yamaha. Their explanation was that, although an oil may be TCW-3, a boat motor runs much cooler than, say, a chain saw or bike, and therefore not-so-good oil doesn't burn cleanly enough, accumulates in the rings and plugs, etc. <br />Don't know if it's true or not...but I went back to Merc or Evinrude oil and haven't had a problem since.... Coincidence??? :eek:
 

flatskiff

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Yes the oil I speak of from amsoil is their 100:1 series 2000 why do you think it wouldn't be adequite at idle?
 

petryshyn

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Hey flatskiff, thats my question! I guess the reason I bring it up is because of the claim to fame of VRO. High ratio at high speed, and low ratio at low speed, which seems to suggest that at low speed we have low volume passing through the crankcase, therefore, we have a need for more lube. At high rpm, we have huge volumes passing through the crankcase, therefore less oil needed. The 100:1 ratio may not be detrimental to engines running mostly at WOT, but how about the guy trolling and putting around all day? <br />Just a thought.......
 

flatskiff

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I see what you mean but also think if your running at low speed you get less atimozation of fuel and mix can seperate as the oil is heavier and settle in the crankcase. Then when you get moving again the rush of air picks it up and cleans it out. So if you had a richer mix would you have more settled oil than if the thinner mix had better atimozation and went through easier due to less weight? Sounds like a topic for the macdizzy experts!
 
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