transom leak

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ah, found it on the bell housing parts...go figure...and it looks like just the pressure of the barbs hold it in place. Also, bondo, good tip on the perfect seal for the hose in connections but if I have to go through this again, my boat will be on the bottom of a very large lake and I will have a sad look on my face for the insurance company and my 9mm in pants waist...
 

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Trim Manifold.jpgtrim manifold 1.jpg so this sucks! I got the new mercathode unit as the old one I could not find anywhere...so I purchased the up graded new version. Only problem, the mounting holes for to the manifold do not line up! What is up with this! The holes in the manifile at 9 and 3 o'clock are the mounting holes for the mercathode and the holes it the mercathode are at 12 and 6! So I got to spend 80 bucks for a manifold? Starting to think I should just have bit the bullet and bought a new assembly...
 

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Hate to say this but your old manifold doesn't look so good. Think some flat file work is in order

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will do....just put it together but it will come right back off.....I was going to put some perfect seal on it as well but did not. so, few questions come to mind for reassembly. First, steering pin- I did not see any evidence of any grease in or around it yet it does come with a grease seal. I thought about putting a grease fitting on it but I really don't want to screw anything up at this point in the game. So, I assume I should pack that with a good marine grease, correct? Other thing is the hose for the lower unit where it comes from the gimbal housing to the bell housing. When I did the bellows originally, I cut the old hose to get things apart because I did not want to break the connection at either end. Like a dummy, I then threw it away. So when I got a piece of hose to replace it, it was to long and would crimp when the trim went all the way up. I don't see anything anywhere that tells me exactly how long that hose should be? Any other tips for re assembly will now be taken! Also, want to use a sealant on the main ring when I re install, what do I need to get?
 

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Yes the pin needs some grease, and a good blob of it would be good. Bt Doctur has a thread which drills a hole through the center of the upper bushing, then its tapped for a grease fitting. Merc removed them years ago. Once grease fitting is installed it can be grease every now and then

Don't know the exact length, I always use the Merc kit and its preformed and pre-cut. The big thing is to make sure the hose doesn't twist when the bushing is being screwed into the hose

Merc Perfect seal is used most some use 3M weather strip adhesive. Some power tune is good for sliding boots in place. It causes the rubber to slip over easy then dry
 

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So when I got a piece of hose to replace it, it was to long and would crimp when the trim went all the way up.

Ayuh,...... Ya shouldn't ever run it with the drive all the way up anytime, anyways,.....

One cure is to loosen the hose clamp on the bell end, 'n twist the hose ever so slightly, 'n try it,...
Ya have to respect the spine of the hose to stop the issue,....
 

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ah Bondo, a little tweaking will get you by eh? no was not concerned about running it up but that if the hose bent, even when down it might have a restriction. I guess in the big scheme of things, the hose probably does not really move that much from a length perspective and I will make it a tad shorter than it is now- just real hard to make it shorter once the bell housing is installed. Will grease up that pin real good. Dang, if I did not have some other responsibilities pulling me I could just about be mounting this back on the boat in short order! Can't wait to test it and make sure this problem is resolved, been over a year now since I floated. And Dodge- when you look at the parts for this, it says bulk item, if I knew there was a part from Merc I would have bought it.
 

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so, thought when I took the steering pin apart there were some special looking washers or something to keep the water out of the turning area....other than the oil seal and washers for the steering arm top and bottom, don't see anything listed. So water is just free to willy nilly get to that steering pin and corrode the heck out of it? You would think by now there would be a sealed bearing assembly that went into there and the steering pin would be completely sealed from the water. We need China or Japan to re design these components as we apparently are not smart enough! Very disappointing...really designed to fail and pretty often it looks to me like.
 

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In most all cases the seal is above the water line. So the only time the seal comes in contact with water other then splashing, is when slowing down or a wave. Moisture/humidity is what causes most of the wear to start. A grease fitting to where some can be pumped into one spot on the bushing can help, but IMO is not 100 percent.

I have one of the few rare boats that when sitting, the seal is fully under water. My water line is half way up the top section of the transom assembly. Had to replace my pin some years back because of it. Now with the rebuild, new assembly and a lift to keep the boat out of the water, I should be good for a long time.

Been thinking about what to use to keep the corrosion down and have found nothing that is 100 percent effective. Thinking along the line of maybe using some gear lube every couple years, but this has its own issues. Maybe someday might have a better idea
 

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I suppose....just seems like a little better design would be pretty easy and it would last for a long time- not much really to wear except that, assuming corrosion does not get the outer components....
 

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Click image for larger version  Name:	washer two.jpg Views:	1 Size:	307.3 KB ID:	10580121 ok, messing around with the steering pin a bit before I try to put it all together and that looks to really be a challenge sliding the pin up, getting the washer over the square part of the pit, through the arm and then a nut and washer on top of that? I assume washer #13 slides down over the square part of the pin and is a "bearing" of sorts for those surfaces. Also, I bought a seal, 26-8m2005029, I thought this was for the steering pin but now I don't see any sort of seal on that pin- just the lower washer and the a washer behind the nut that holds the arm on? I can find it on the site when I search it but it does not show where it goes...heck it was 22 bucks! I have three washers in my little bag and not 100% which go to the pin....the second one is like a very thin shim- the first looks like it should go over the steering pin square part. There is another smaller heavier washer I assume is the one that goes behind the nut....not sure where that shim looking one goes, I had a couple of parts from the trim mounting bolts in the same bag, should have know better to keep them seperate...that dang seal sure is a mystery,,,,where the heck does it go?
 

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The seal goes in after the two upper bushings are installed. The lip goes upward (item 5)

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yes, I did see this but the washers I have in the bag ( I try to seperate things so they are in groups to go back together), I have a washer that will go over the smooth part of the top of the shaft of the pin but will not go over the threads (like for 15) and then I have one that looks like it works for #13, it rests on the flanges of the large square of the bottom area of the pin. This picture shows what I'm talking about, I know now where the seal goes but I'm stumped on that top washer...I thought it was perhaps a thrust washer for the top smooth section that goes up into the gimbal housing or something....guess I will have to buy the parts to make sure I'm putting the right ones in the right place....dang it! Underneath where I have the seal is the other washer....that at least look right? steering pin assem.jpg
 

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I really don't see what the seal seals- I pushed it up into the gimbal housing, the top of the pin is way smaller than the id of the pin....I did not remove any of the bushings...I am really missing something here...
 

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okay, think I have it and kind of worked through it before I saw your post...seal goes into the bottom side of the gimbal housing which is the seal to keep water out of the bilge so to speak and to mainly keep the turning part of the top of the pin dry in the process so I get that...the lower washer figured that out and then the one for the top, well I should be able to get a ss washer at the hardware store for that. That other thin washer that looks like a shim, I swear that came out of there, perhaps with the lower washer....does not mean it was supposed to be there but would be surprised if this assembly had come apart before with the hours on it. On the two bushings for the top of the pin, I did not remove anything there and the pin was not corroded, but, why would there be two bushings up in there? Or is it just misleading looking at the picture? I can feel a bushing in there but I don't see any evidence of a 2nd one, I can't tell if the top of the pin is a snug fit to the bushing I can identify with everything slid together....what is that 2nd bushing?
 

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The top of the pin goes into a upper bushing. You've gone this far I would replace then bushings if there is any play what so ever.

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