"Tookie" has now vapor locked

deeep water

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if a mistake was made im sure god will send him back,,so i guess we will see
 
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DJ

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Finally, California showed some moxie.<br /><br />A disgusting individual has checked out.<br /><br />The strange part is that this "low life" could have stopped his execution if only he would have admitted his crimes-and shown remorse.<br /><br />To the end, he was steadfast in thumbing his nose, at the world.<br /><br />Enjoy the heat-"Tookie", or known better as "MONSTER", on the streets.
 

heycods

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Gotta agree with rear admiral fish said.
 
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DJ

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Celebrating-NO!!!!!<br /><br />Rejoicing in that justice FINALLY prevailed. Why have a law if you have no intention of carrying out the maximum penalty?
 

Kenneth Brown

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DJ said what I was trying to. I reckon I shoulda used less words huh?
 

agitator

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Said brutal piece of ---- has cost society millions of dollars and the lives of an unknown number of gentle, productive people. Without strong men willing to draw the line and eradicate the Tookies of the world, the meek will not inheret the earth. If left unchecked the Tookies will have murdered them all long before that day and there won't be any left.
 

agitator

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deputydawg, if the death penalty is carried out by a neutral government agency how can it be carried out for revenge instead of punishment? How can you tell the difference between the two?
 
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DJ

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agitator,<br /><br />OK, you have a beef. Give us a BETTER solution that ACTUALLY is more effective than the one handed over, by thousands of years.<br /><br />By the way, all knowledge has not been gained in the last 30. If you think so, declare yourself "supreme being" and tell us how to bow down, to you. <br /><br />Don't expect much compliance, unless you start executing us.
 

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Originally posted by rolmops:<br /> It boils down to a comment on some phrases in what you call the old testament.Where it says that you shall be impure for eight days because you have blood on your hands.It may be the blood of your enemy,but it is you who killed him and thereby you killed one who was created in My image.<br />In here there is no judgement passed on the one killed.The message here is that those who hand out the justice and those who are victorious in battle ,should never celebrate the death of their enemy.<br />You may celebrate your victory,but only after 8 days so it will give you some time to think it over.
rolmops, this was what I was trying to say - you just said it better. Yes, I feel his execution was deserved, and yes, I may have even been able to do it, but life is always special, and to be respected.<br /><br />I hope that the difference in the about 50 posts here is semantics and the value we place on certain words, not the value we place on human life. Because if we lose the preciousness of life, then there isn't much that seperates us from "Tookie".
 

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Originally posted by aspeck:<br /> Because if we lose the preciousness of life, then there isn't much that seperates us from "Tookie".
I agree, and it is that preciousness that should lead us to capital punishment.<br /><br />With that said, the Old Testament specifically notes and requires capital punishment. I cannot cite specific passages, but this is my understanding.<br /><br />Also, just because it hasn't been mentioned, the literal translation of the Ten Commandments from Hebrew is "Thou shall not murder" . Thou shall not kill is incorrect.
 

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I wonder if those who are saddened by the loss of Tookie get as upset when a baby dies through an abortion?
 

JamesCoste

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Originally posted by Kalian:<br /> PW2,<br />A true Cristian would never celebrate anybodys death. They would mourn the lost soul. I am not a practicing Christian, but I know the dogma and it is truly a noble religion. They preach love and redemption, not hate and violence. There are many groups out there that malign the name of Christian by doing the oposite of what the bible teaches but professing christianity. <br /> I'm not trying to preach to you, like I said, I'm not a practicing Christian, but I hate to see people make the kind of statements you made. Christianity is getting trashed all the time, and I think it's to the detriment of our society. <br /> I'm not saying the people who made those statements are not true christians, I don't know or care. Sometimes people say things that sound callous without realizing what it implies. Perhaps if more cold blooded killers were executed, people wouldn't feel the way they do when justice finaly IS served, albeit 20 years late. I.E. "what? I can't believe it! You mean they finaly got it right this time? He's not gonna walk like all the others?"<br /> For the record, I agree that he got whats coming to him. I could definetly put a bullet in his head and sleep well that night, but I don't know about actualy celebrating it. Death is cold and final. <br /> I agree about death sentences only for those without any doubt as to their guilt. As for life in prison, it should be a life of labor. But labor that actualy pays all the costs of their interment, as well as some money left over for a victims fund.
Kalian,<br />I often celebrate the death of a person and am considered a "true Christian" by those that know me. For the Christian believer, physical death is actually a release into everlasting life. We here on earth mourn for their absense from us; however, if the person was a believer, we should rejoice that the person was allowed to go "home" to heaven.<br /><br />Now as far as being glad that your enemy is destroyed, there is scripture that discusses our attitude towards our enemies. Consider the book of Jonah. Jonah, an Israelite, was a prophet and was told to go to Ninevah to tell them to repent or that they would be destroyed. Well, Ninevah was a city of the Assyrians, who were violent enemies of the nation of Israel. Jonah didn't want to take a chance at the Assyrians repenting so he fled to Tarshish (by way of Joppa), instead of going to Ninevah. On the trip, he was then tossed into the sea because God was angry at him for disobeying. He was then swallowed by a great fish and then spit onto dry land 3 days later (you have to believe in miracles to believe this). He headed to Ninevah. He told the Assyrians God's message and they repented. Jonah was very angry! He wanted them destroyed! God basically said that Jonah had no right to be angry.<br /><br />So, based on that Biblical premise, what should our attitude be towards "bad" people or those that have harmed us or others? <br /><br />We should rejoice if they repent of their evil ways and turn to God. I do believe that the individual who committed crimes deserves to pay for their crimes, as did Tookie Williams when he was executed. I pray that he sought after God's forgiveness prior to his death.<br /><br />What person, based on his or her own merit, deserves anything other than Hell? God tells us that our righteousness is as filthy rags. It is only through the acceptance of the sacrafice that Christ Jesus gave that makes us worthy of a life in Heaven.<br /><br />God is a loving God; however, God, is also just. He won't permit those with sin in their lives to go to heaven no matter how "good" they might have been. God doesn't send anybody to hell, they send themselves by rejecting his perfect gift in His son, Jesus.<br /><br />In summary, I, as a professing Christian, don't rejoice in the death of any "bad person" because they need to be punished. God showed mercy on me, a wretched sinner, and will allow me into heaven. My prayer is that nobody will ignore God's message before it is too late.
 

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Well written James. I'm glad you took the time to write that up. <br /><br /><br />Originally posted by Rubberfrog:<br />Not sure where you were trying to go with that? Hmm, are you referring to Tookie's supporters? I'm pretty sure no one who posted here fits that category.
 

Kalian

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Yes, I agree, well written. Much better than I could have ever done!
 

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Originally posted by RubberFrog:<br /> I wonder if those who are saddened by the loss of Tookie get as upset when a baby dies through an abortion?
NO! But hey! It's Ok 'cause it is just another choice. :rolleyes: In case you hadn't noticed, as long as it their choice, not yours, anything is OK.
 

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It should have been done years ago....Tookie what a piece of trash.....
 

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I have a few questions for everyone following this thread…<br /><br />(1) Do you know for a fact that Williams committed those murders?<br /><br />(2) Are you comfortable executing some that you’re not sure committed the crime(s) they are accused of?<br /><br />(3) Do you have faith in the judiciary ... are you sure someone will get a fair trial in America?<br /><br />Note: a huge survey was just completed regarding question 3. Less than 10% of the population believes you will get a fair trial in the American judical system. 1 out of 3 people feel it is impossible to get a fair trial here. 1 out of 3 feel it’s a crap shoot, i.e. you have a 50-50 chance at getting a fair trial. Translation: 2 out of 3 people don’t think you will necessarily get a fair trial in America.<br /><br />(4) What do those 2 out of 3 people know that you don’t?<br /><br />(5) Are you still comfortable executing someone that went thru the American judcial system?
 

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Originally posted by QC:<br /> With that said, the Old Testament specifically notes and requires capital punishment. I cannot cite specific passages, but this is my understanding...<br /><br />
The Old Testament also requires you to shout "Unclean" as you walk through the streets if any of the women in your household are having 'that time of the month', so everyone will know to steer clear of you. Also don't forget the prohibition of eating pork. And shellfish. Who was it who said "the truth shall set you free?"
 

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(1) No, I don't, but a jury unanimously thought he did based on trial evidence.<br /><br />(2) No, I wouldn't be comfortable executing someone I knew to be innocent. I am comfortable executing those who have spent several decades trying to avoid their adjudicated penalty .. and were unable to convince any appellate court.<br /><br />(3) Yes, I do. The "system" is heavily weighted toward the defendant, particularly in Californication.<br /><br />(4) Probably not much. What huge survey, what was the survey population, what was the margin of error, who commissioned the survey? Surveys can be constructed to indicate most anything.<br /><br />(5) Yes!<br /><br />Here's one for you: How many state legislatures have determined there are certain crimes that require the offender be removed from the gene pool, that their state courts provide sufficient guidelines (approved by the US Supreme Court) to assure unilateral justice? I'll even save you the trouble - 37, which is 74%. Get over it.
 
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