President Bush's Veterans Day speech

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Da-- I hate to see politics come up on this mesage board. Im a new member and I have enjoyed meeting you people from your postings. We all have our polotical views , and your sure not going to change mine. So Im not going to try to change yours. None of us are stupid, we all have the ability to make up our own minds on political issues. we do however run the risk of allienating people we would enjoy a good conversation, drink or day on the lake with.
 

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yep thats the 12ftr we all know and love, facts mean nothing as long as someone waves a flag :) <br />you go gurl
 

Vlad D Impeller

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Forgive me for thinking that veterans day was a day for all Americans to take the opportunity and thank all veterans for their service to this great land.
 

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I wonder if the "blame game" has anything to do with the recent elections. W says its not his fault, the dems of congress and the intelligence supplied by other countries made me do it. Right, only one person has their finger on the trigger in this country, and we all know who that is. In on breath W says he is willing to take the blame, and in another breath, he claims little or no fault. <br /><br />Interesting... especially after the reps lost many of the elections recently. I think they are feeling a squeeze being put on them by, as 12footer stated, "the majority of the people."<br />Yes, a 35% approval does in fact mean, the majority does not approve. <br /><br />Amazing that not only is W winding down his own presidential career, he is also winding down the political careers of so many other republicans.<br /><br />All said, I like W and think he is doing a swell job of putting the democrats back in Whitehouse. Analyst have said that in order for the dems to regain the WH, they must change their position on abortion. I disagree, I think they should just allow W to finish his term. <br /><br />Just keep explaining W, the majority are on to your game.
 

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Originnaly posted by eeboater:<br /><br />chugger... if that is what you thought the content of that speech was.... I feel really sorry for you.<br />
Seems like that's all you thought of the content of that speech as well. Hate breeds hate. Instead of feeling sorry for me try to break the cycle.<br /><br />
Originally posted by eeboater:<br /> THANK YOU for finally say what we've all been screaming. THANK YOU for calling the hypocritical Democrats and Anti-War people out on the carpet. THANK YOU for showing that History is being "Re-written" with a negative spin.<br /><br />Finally.<br />
 

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Hey Chug,<br /><br />Nice point. Hypocritical he says! Mirror mirror on the wall...
 

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Originally posted by Vlad D Impeller:<br /> Forgive me for thinking that veterans day was a day for all Americans to take the opportunity and thank all veterans for their service to this great land.
You are forgiven. At least, Bush didn't tell the troops they were useless to Iraq,like Al Sharton did.<br /> At least he didn't yell and whine on the senate floor about how much the war costs, and dub their assignment a "quag-my-ah", like Ted Kenedy did.<br /><br />At least he didn't echo Chucky Shuemer, who lamented that Iraq was just another Vietnam.<br /><br />At least he finally got the onions to tell those in uniform, that there is at least a majority, who SUPPORT them, and the task they have been assigned.<br />God bless the Iraqi people (or Ala bless them in their faith).<br /><br />God bless the troops.<br /><br />God Bless their Commander in Chief, GW Bush.<br />'Bout time he puts the anti-war kook fringe in their place. Let the idiots write books.
 

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No George the 60's coward of a draft dodging scum said good stuff of course he is why they are there. Regardless of anything Bush was a draft dodger joining a rich boys guard set up for him and other rich guys to avoid going to war. No he did not need to learn to fight cause no way Dad was letting him go to war. He is and always will be a coward and draft dodger. VNVET 69-71.
 

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Oh yeah and don't give me the what about Clinton crud cause he was a dodger also, but at least he did not try to play soldier while in the white house and no one was killed for his mistake (bj) but can not say same for GW he has over 2000 young courageous Americans dead because of his lies.
 

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Originally posted by txswinner:<br /> No George the 60's coward of a draft dodging scum said good stuff of course he is why they are there. Regardless of anything Bush was a draft dodger joining a rich boys guard set up for him and other rich guys to avoid going to war. No he did not need to learn to fight cause no way Dad was letting him go to war. He is and always will be a coward and draft dodger. VNVET 69-71.
Since you insist on believing lies, what is the point in debate?<br /><br />I won't ever convince you this draft dodging stuff is a lie, and you won't ever convince me that Clinton was just vacationing in Canada durring the Vietnam war.<br /><br />
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Originally posted by 12Footer:<br />
Originally posted by Vlad D Impeller:<br /> Forgive me for thinking that veterans day was a day for all Americans to take the opportunity and thank all veterans for their service to this great land.
You are forgiven. At least, Bush didn't tell the troops they were useless to Iraq,like Al Sharton did.<br /> At least he didn't yell and whine on the senate floor about how much the war costs, and dub their assignment a "quag-my-ah", like Ted Kenedy did.<br /><br />At least he didn't echo Chucky Shuemer, who lamented that Iraq was just another Vietnam.<br /><br />At least he finally got the onions to tell those in uniform, that there is at least a majority, who SUPPORT them, and the task they have been assigned.<br />God bless the Iraqi people (or Ala bless them in their faith).<br /><br />God bless the troops.<br /><br />God Bless their Commander in Chief, GW Bush.<br />'Bout time he puts the anti-war kook fringe in their place. Let the idiots write books.
My point was veterans day is to commemorate the services and sacrifice that our service men and women have made in the effort to grant us the freedoms which we all enjoy.<br />I think it is dispicable for the politicians both democrat and republican including the President to be politicizing veterans day.<br /><br />It is also hippocritical for both reps and dems to say that they support the troops, supporting the troops does not end when they return from the theater of war, reps and dems have consistently seeked ways to cut the benefits of veterans, personally i view such actions as unpatriotic and criminal.
 

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Originally posted by chugger:<br />
Seems like that's all you thought of the content of that speech as well. Hate breeds hate. Instead of feeling sorry for me try to break the cycle.
But that's the point of this whole thread isn't it? You're telling me that the Repub's should be "better" and break the cycle. If the Dem's wouldn't perpetually breed hate themselves, we wouldn't be forced to fight back.<br /><br />I'm hypocritical? I feel like I'm getting lectured by a rabid dog telling me I shouldn't bite people.<br /><br />Sean
 

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I'm hypocritical? I feel like I'm getting lectured by a rabid dog telling me I shouldn't bite people.
well said and very appropriate.<br /><br />Oh, in case anyone didnt know, TXSWinner served his rear in the rear in Vietnam. Thx TXS! Happy vet day! :rolleyes:
 

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I understand why the president said what he said. I just don't think it made for a great speech on that occaision. In my opinion the occaision called for a speech that would rally the country to stand and applaud the contributions of our veterans. The section you posted was devisive and would have been more appropriate in a debate or campaign speech. Was that the point of the thread?<br /><br />My break the cycle comment was stupid. What would Dockside Chat be like if we all got along?<br /><br />Chugger the Rabid Dog
 

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Originally posted by Vlad D Impeller:<br /><br />It is also hippocritical for both reps and dems to say that they support the troops, supporting the troops does not end when they return from the theater of war, reps and dems have consistently seeked ways to cut the benefits of veterans, personally i view such actions as unpatriotic and criminal.
So do I, Vlad. It makes me ill every time i hear an American say, "I support the troops, but not the war"...What is their job that is not supported while supporting them? <br />It <br />does <br />not <br />compute.
 

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It is possible to support the troops and not the war. I support the troops and hope they all come home safely, and in my opinion they are heroes. <br /><br />The war was not a choice made by them, it was made by W. I do not and will not support W. He has done nothing, in my opinion, to deserve my support. The war on terror made much more sense until he stated, "I am not worried about Osama Bin Laden." At that point, I felt his war on terror to be more self serving than anything else. I do remember that Hussein had a price on his father's head. By the way, I think terrorist activities have increased since the "war on terror has begun." <br /><br />Let's fight the war on terror. Let's just find our real threat and terrorism may then begin to decrease.
 

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Originally posted by CJY:<br /> It is possible to support the troops and not the war. I support the troops and hope they all come home safely, and in my opinion they are heroes. <br /><br />The war was not a choice made by them, it was made by W. I do not and will not support W. He has done nothing, in my opinion, to deserve my support. The war on terror made much more sense until he stated, "I am not worried about Osama Bin Laden." At that point, I felt his war on terror to be more self serving than anything else. I do remember that Hussein had a price on his father's head. By the way, I think terrorist activities have increased since the "war on terror has begun." <br /><br />Let's fight the war on terror. Let's just find our real threat and terrorism may then begin to decrease.
I'm afraid there are not enough troops or money in the world to do that all at one time. But i will predict other theatres of battle. I will also predict your oposition to every single last one of them.
 

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Originally posted by CJY:<br /> I do not and will not support W. He has done nothing, in my opinion, to deserve my support. <br />
<br />And this is where neocons like me loose understanding of this opinion, not just opposing it.<br />In the statement "I support the troops, but not the war", you have substituted "WAR" with "BUSH"....I am at a loss to understand the motives, much less, the opinion itself. Such shear hatered for one man, i can only equate to osama Bin laden, myself.Can you explain your apparent rage?<br /><br /><br />
Originally posted by CJY:<br /><br />The war on terror made much more sense until he stated, "I am not worried about Osama Bin Laden." At that point, I felt his war on terror to be more self serving than anything else. <br />
<br />You took "I am not worried about Osama Bin Laden", and formed an opinion from it...An opinion formed from one sentance taken out of context? You base your logical understanding of the war on terror from this??<br />Allow me to REPLACE that sentance so much a key to your foundation of opinion, back into the context it was first uttered within ---and at the same time, expose a tactic used by enemies thruout history, regrdless of side, righteousness or wrongness, used by us, used by them, used by me, and used by you (this time)-- the word is "PROPAGANDA";<br /><br /><br />Q Mr. President, in your speeches now you rarely talk or mention Osama bin Laden. Why is that? Also, can you tell the American people if you have any more information, if you know if he is dead or alive? Final part -- deep in your heart, don't you truly believe that until you find out if he is dead or alive, you won't really eliminate the threat of -- <br /><br /><br />THE PRESIDENT: Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he's alive at all. Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not; we haven't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is -- really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission.<br /><br /><br />Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is -- as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide -- if, in fact, he's hiding at all.<br /><br />Q But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive? <br /><br /><br />THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.<br /><br />
Originally posted by CJY:<br />I do remember that Hussein had a price on his father's head.
<br /><br />And that is a good thing?<br /><br />
Originally posted by CJY:<br />By the way, I think terrorist activities have increased since the "war on terror has begun."
Are you counting WTC attack one? Attack on USS Cole in Yemmen? Attacks on US Marine Baracks? Attacks on US embassies? <br />Was this discrediting more of the same tactic?<br />I personally think so, so i will disagree strongly with that.<br /><br /><br />
Originally posted by CJY:<br />Let's fight the war on terror. Let's just find our real threat and terrorism may then begin to decrease.
I totally agree., and hope you start supporting the right side of this war. Not saying you shouls support the commander in chief, if you disagree with him. I do (not on the war tho), and sometimes feel the need to defend him due to the spin machine that encourages the enemy, while criticizing tactics, logistics, theatres of battle, and obvious supporters of them and the job they do. In other words, real military troops are there to defend us from other militaries. They are not global policemen. That would be the job of the UN, if you can stomach them. I never could.
 
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