no steering at high speed!!

rockyrude

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Re: Hydraulic steering fluid v vegetable oil in steering.

Re: Hydraulic steering fluid v vegetable oil in steering.

Here in the states we have a saying, penny wise pound foolish. Yes straight veggie might save you $30 U.S. but any one of the pieces in your system will far exceed that should they need replacing due to failure because of the veggie oil.
 

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Re: Hydraulic steering fluid v vegetable oil in steering.

Re: Hydraulic steering fluid v vegetable oil in steering.

Back when I was young and naive I was having transmission with my well used '49 Oldsmobile hydramatic. One of my "good buddies", apparently more stupid than I, suggested I put Coke-a-Cola in it. Said he had a buddy that did it and fixed things right up.

Thank goodness I had enough common sense to know that this is going to lead to big problems and didn't do it.

Mark
 

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Re: Hydraulic steering fluid v vegetable oil in steering.

Re: Hydraulic steering fluid v vegetable oil in steering.

IllesheimVet
you say your system holds less than a quart !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well you aint got hydraulic steering then buddy as there is not a system out there that only holds a quart.
all the systems take atleast 2 bottles of the stuffm why do you think they give you 2 bottles with even
the smaller systems ?????

texas mark
well i expect that from texas, was his name jethro clampett by any chance ?.......................

rockyrude
just look what you wrote
Here in the states we have a saying, penny wise pound foolish.
now if you care to read that correctly youl note its an english saying not american,and yes its very old and we stick to it.
this is why im looking for an alternative to the stupid american price for this oil.
Its not made by seastar teleflex and is a big rip off price for boaters.they dont even add a dye.
From what i have found out by a few experts in the field of hydraulics, its just mil 5606 hydraulic fluid.

Now ive just looked up a few different hydraulic oils and i seems that the seastar/teleflex/ baystar is just mil5606 not
even got the H in front ot if so its nothing special at all.
same stuff used in a lot vehicles made by citroen peugeot for the suspension (citroen dye it green) and also
used in a lot of aircraft (aircraft has red dye).
so now looking for where to buy the stuff in the uk, im not gonna buy it at the seastar/telflex prices, that is
outrageuous especially when people are telling me its one of the cheapest hydraulic oils out there and
even cheaper than cheap than the auto ATF.

but where do i find it is another matter.

phill
 

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Re: Hydraulic steering fluid v vegetable oil in steering.

Re: Hydraulic steering fluid v vegetable oil in steering.

IllesheimVet
you say your system holds less than a quart !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well you aint got hydraulic steering then buddy as there is not a system out there that only holds a quart.
all the systems take atleast 2 bottles of the stuffm why do you think they give you 2 bottles with even
the smaller systems ?????

texas mark
well i expect that from texas, was his name jethro clampett by any chance ?.......................

rockyrude
just look what you wrote
Here in the states we have a saying, penny wise pound foolish.
now if you care to read that correctly youl note its an english saying not american,and yes its very old and we stick to it.
this is why im looking for an alternative to the stupid american price for this oil.
Its not made by seastar teleflex and is a big rip off price for boaters.they dont even add a dye.
From what i have found out by a few experts in the field of hydraulics, its just mil 5606 hydraulic fluid.

Now ive just looked up a few different hydraulic oils and i seems that the seastar/teleflex/ baystar is just mil5606 not
even got the H in front ot if so its nothing special at all.
same stuff used in a lot vehicles made by citroen peugeot for the suspension (citroen dye it green) and also
used in a lot of aircraft (aircraft has red dye).
so now looking for where to buy the stuff in the uk, im not gonna buy it at the seastar/telflex prices, that is
outrageuous especially when people are telling me its one of the cheapest hydraulic oils out there and
even cheaper than cheap than the auto ATF.

but where do i find it is another matter.

phill

Ayuh,..... You came here, Askin' for Opinions, which is exactly what you got....

Leave yer snide remarks 'n insults on yer side of the pond...

We have No place for 'em, here at iboats....

Thank you....
 

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Re: Hydraulic steering fluid v vegetable oil in steering.

Re: Hydraulic steering fluid v vegetable oil in steering.

Just trying to throw a little common sense into the mix...

Have you talked with the manufacturer of your steering system to see what they recommend? Did they offer any alternatives?

If not, do you have any hydraulic shops around you that might be able to give you another alternative? There's a few shops in my neck of the woods that deal specifically with hydraulics so I'd imagine with a little research you can find one as well.

With all that being said, with steering being one of the most important aspects of a boat under motion...why are you trying to skimp? Being able to steer when you need to is not over-rated.
 

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IllesheimVet
y
texas mark
well i expect that from texas, was his name jethro clampett by any chance ?.......................

r

phill

No, wise guy it was in Altus, Oklahoma and the guy was an Okie. Pffffffft!
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: Hydraulic steering fluid v vegetable oil in steering.

Re: Hydraulic steering fluid v vegetable oil in steering.

Obviously (to me) you came here to ask a question to which you already had an answer. Then, when the forum members voiced their CONSERVATIVE opinions (which conflicted with your preconceived notion), you became snotty and superior. UNDERSTAND that on the forum, giving decent advice, the members MUST reply conservatively and follow manufacturers recommendations. As an example, NO ONE will recommend overpowering a boat even though it is often done with no harm. Even if they did, the moderators would modify or delete the answer.

Go ahead and use the cheapest stuff you can find to test the system but then bleed it COMPLETELY and refill with the manufacturer's specified oil. But don't go crying to the manufacturer or this forum if you do not bleed it completely and incompatible oils react.
 

JB

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Re: Hydraulic steering fluid v vegetable oil in steering.

Even if they did, the moderators would modify or delete the answer.

Not true, Frank. How moderators respond to recommendations of unsafe practices like overpowering or failing to follow manufacturers recommendations is a matter of personal ethics, not rule. I have never in my 12 years here edited or deleted such a post simply because I disagreed with it and I have no knowledge of any other Moderator doing so.
 

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Re: Hydraulic steering fluid v vegetable oil in steering.

Re: Hydraulic steering fluid v vegetable oil in steering.

After all these years, don't you think, if the plan was successful, that it would not be common knowledge? Try it and let us know the results.
 

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Re: Hydraulic steering fluid v vegetable oil in steering.

Re: Hydraulic steering fluid v vegetable oil in steering.

One thing no one here can deny... If he feeds his power steering system pure vegetable oil it will surely grow up big and strong! :laugh::facepalm:
 

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Re: Hydraulic steering fluid v vegetable oil in steering.

Re: Hydraulic steering fluid v vegetable oil in steering.

Before too many of you throw ya toys out the pram go and look at who threw snide remarks first.
Look back and see how many snide remarks were on the topic and you might see why i posted some back.

Now yes i have looked into what the oil is and yes i have come up with an alternative oil that is the same stuff.

And has for leave snide remarks on this side of the pond maybe the snide remarks came from that side first.
but i suppose you just call it friendly fire as usual.

Now many people have and do post alternative things to use and some thing are not common knowledge or there
wouldnt be a forum in the first place.
It seems that unless its made in the good old usa it wont work !!!!!!!!! well sorry to **** on your cornflakes but the
usa have not exactly been in the forefront of most inventions throughout history.
Yes they make a lot of goodies cheaply,but often just brand names for something a lot cheaper elsewhere.

Now if you all go and look deep into what vegetable is and what its used for and what it is called by many different
compaines you might get a shock.
I dont expect it to be used much in the woods or mobile homes as we all know you eat your meat rare and still mooing.

Local hydraulics fluid company has told me that if i use straight vegetable oil(canola) i should get about 5 years then possibley
need new seals as it would take a long time to break up the nitril seals.
look at what the usa company called catterpillar use , on farmland machinery....guess what they use ???????????
The company also says that due to it not being under extreme pressure as in a powered steering system i probably
wouldnt notice any different effects than using h5606 oil,
By the way 5606 is the same stuff in the planes and in citroen and roll royce cars and the hydrolastic suspension in
the old austin mine cars with green dye for cars red dye for planes.

Now if you dont like snide remarks back then dont give them out, over here we can dish out a lot more than we can take.

look at the posts above
frank acompora words "snotty and superior " well if he thinks im superior then fine,snotty ha ha.

Bubba , ill let him off as it will take far too long to explain to him whats going on.
Bondo, lets not forget big mouth. who asked him his personal advice ? i didnt.

this forum has thousands of answers to things that are NOT common knowledge, the whole internet is for people to
find out more knowledge.
Just because a manufacture reccomends aproduct dont mean we have to use the product they tell us too.
That is one sure way to get your pockets burned.
Does everyone on here stick to buying oem parts for the boats and engines, do they all only use the
engine reccomended by the boat maker.
How many different things on this forum are used as substitues that would of never been know or heard of before.

This forum has shown many things to be the same stuff under different brand names even, that some guys in
the business for over 20 years have neve heard of.

so dont knock anyone who tries something else just because you have not heard of it.
we would all still be sinking our teethe into wild animals for food if we all thought like that (Bubba's excluded).

now go enjoy paying through the nose for oil, im off to buy a gallon at a tenth of the price.
cant tell what it is or youl think im taking the **** again.

and we have another saying in the uk that you might like.........They dont like it up em

phill
 

spoilsofwar

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Re: Hydraulic steering fluid v vegetable oil in steering.

Re: Hydraulic steering fluid v vegetable oil in steering.

Impressive rant!

There's power steering fluid in my power steering system... And vegetable oil in my deep fryer.

I know, I know... I should be using peanut oil in the fryer. But, dang, it's expensive. ;)
 

rockyrude

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Re: Hydraulic steering fluid v vegetable oil in steering.

Re: Hydraulic steering fluid v vegetable oil in steering.

It surely is a shame where this thread went. You came with a question you apparently had a preset answer to, you get advise from members who have forgotten more than you know and call it a personal attack. Go iron your panties back out and do what you want.
 

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Re: Steering..... Does this look normal, or even safe?

Re: Steering..... Does this look normal, or even safe?

Your system is using a support tube with a direct connection to the steering arm.

In order to use the steering tube your cable would need to have a large nut that would thread on the end of the steering (tilt) tube. You would also need to find a steering link arm to connect the cable to the steering arm.

If the system works you should be okay. If you need a new cable buy one that would connect to the steering (tilt) tube, and remove the support tube.
 

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Re: Teleflex Xtreme Mechanical Steering install and review

Re: Teleflex Xtreme Mechanical Steering install and review

I own a 86 gw 204c, my steering is original. This winter an internal gear broke and the gears are jammed. Steering frozen.

I have just ordered the 18ft xtreme kit. Thanks for posting this. I was lost trying to get the steering wheel off. Tried 3 diff puller kits. Wood wedges. Duh :facepalm:.
Already got the cable and helm out so I am hoping an easy install to get back on the water.
I will post my feedback as well. Not liking the 5 turns thing but I gues it is something you have to get used to.


Thanks man.
 

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Removing helm/steering cable help!

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I am in the process of replacing my Teleflex steering cable and helm. I have the steering cable out and am now trying to remove the steering and helm from behind the dash.

The steering shaft goes through the helm and is secured by a washer. The washer seems to be the only thing preventing me from removing the steering wheel.

I cant work out how the hell to get this washer off. I have tried levering it off with a screw driver and with the fork of a hammer. But there is a lip on the end of the steering shaft that makes it very difficult to remove.

I am not mechanically minded and feel i must be doing something wrong. It can't be this hard to get the steering wheel off. How the heck does this washer come off without breaking it or twisting it beyond repair?
 

roscoe

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Re: Removing helm/steering cable help!

Re: Removing helm/steering cable help!

Welcome aboard.

Shaft remains in the helm unit, so leave that tabbed washer in place.

Steering wheel comes off from the front.

Remove plastic insert/cover piece from center of steering wheel. This is usually
easily removed by prying it off with a small flat screwdriver.

Remove nut from shaft.
 

smokeonthewater

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Re: Removing helm/steering cable help!

Re: Removing helm/steering cable help!

Yep, WHS..... the wagon goes on the other end of the horse;)



FWIW it isn't the "CORRECT" way to do it but if you back the nut off till flush w the end of the shaft, apply outward pressure to the wheel (I usually wedge my kneed behind it if I can) and smack the nut/shaft with a hammer, generally the wheel will pop loose, then back the not off and remove the wheel exposing bolts securing the helm
 

jhunstone

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Re: Removing helm/steering cable help!

Re: Removing helm/steering cable help!

Thanks for the help

I had previously removed the dust cover from the steering wheel and there is no nut. Just a bare thread on the shaft that passes back through the helm.

When i pull on the steering wheel, it pulls on the entire shaft (secured by the tabbed washer at the rear of the helm).

There does not appear to be any real corrosion or rust preventing the wheel from coming off.

I have pulled and levered with as much force as I feel safe to apply without breaking something. But the shaft moves with the wheel.

This is very frustrating.

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smokeonthewater

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Re: Removing helm/steering cable help!

Re: Removing helm/steering cable help!

someone has already pulled the nut... the shaft is tapered... pull on the wheel and smack the end of the shaft with a hammer You MAY damage the end of the shaft making it hard to put a nut back on it but if you are replacing the helm, you won't care
 
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