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[Lou C]

Ok for the verbally sensitive folks, I'll change my terminology from conspiracy to augmented revenue strategy. Because that's what it is. The truck does NOT have to be designed that way. Older Ford trucks certainly were not.
All better now?
And for everyone's enlightenment next time I'm at my independent mechanic, I'll ask him does he do Ford cab-off jobs.

 

[jlh3rd]

Lifting a cab really isn't a difficult task in theory... I've done it... but any vehicle in the northeast after about 5 years it usually results in most fasteners being... well... stuck. Those road salt free areas or people who swap vehicles every 3-5 years usually never have to worry about that. I've done just cab mounts on a few trucks and usually it involves a torch if they're 10+ years old.

You can still work on it without. It’s just way easier to raise the cab and requires less hours. Not sure why this is so mind boggling to you.

not the point of this thread.
As a matter of fact, saying it's easier working on a truck by raising the cab illustrates the point. It's harder for the DIY'er to work on cars today.

 

[bruceb58]

Because most independent mechanics (remember those, the ones most people use after warrantee) aren't going to want to do this. When you say work on it, it depends on what the "work" is. Pulling cylinder heads? can that be done? More un-repairable vehicles could be the result. That's why I don't like the design decisions they made. And it's not just FoMoCo they all do this in one way or another.
Ever look under the hood of a 2.7 Ecoboost? it is a rat's nest of wiring, hoses, plastic fittings, etc.
Now look under the hood of a Durango with the 5.7. Simple, you can get at everything, all the spark plugs, oil filter, etc. Night and day. I like the Bronco and the power of the 2.7 but I can imagine how much fun those hoses, plastic fittings etc will be when they are 10 years old!

I had a 2018 3.5 ecoboost. It WAY easier than working on a V8 hemi in a recent jeep grand Cherokee. Not even close.

not the point of this thread.
As a matter of fact, saying it's easier working on a truck by raising the cab illustrates the point. It's harder for the DIY'er to work on cars today.

it’s still workable from the top. They just designed to have the option to raise the cab

 

[Lou C]

not the point of this thread.
As a matter of fact, saying it's easier working on a truck by raising the cab illustrates the point. It's harder for the DIY'er to work on cars today.

The reality is no DIYer is doing that and I’d guess few independents do. Why? Well there is the issue of possible seized fasteners and how many individual wiring harness connectors need to be undone.

 

[Lou C]

I had a 2018 3.5 ecoboost. It WAY easier than working on a V8 hemi in a recent jeep grand Cherokee. Not even close.

it’s still workable from the top. They just designed to have the option to raise the cab

Whe you say working on what jobs do you mean?

 

[bruceb58]

Whe you say working on what jobs do you mean?

2022 grand Cherokee. Two spark plugs per cylinder. So 16 spark plugs! Took over 3 hours. 3.5 ecoboost….30 minutes.

 

[Jeff J]

I frequently get passed by people who think their rear bump must be within 10 feet of my front bumper when they return to the lane I am in… even if we are the only two vehicles in sight. How does the automatic braking and adaptive cruise control handle that situation?

 

[alldodge]

I frequently get passed by people who think their rear bump must be within 10 feet of my front bumper when they return to the lane I am in… even if we are the only two vehicles in sight. How does the automatic braking and adaptive cruise control handle that situation?

It puts the brakes on until the set spacing distance is achieved

 

[Jeff J]

So if cutoff like that in heavy traffic, it will automatically brake check the person behind you? I don’t see that as a positive since a lot of drivers seem to like to tailgate too. Not to mention the increased potential for a road rage encounter.

 

[Pmt133]

I frequently get passed by people who think their rear bump must be within 10 feet of my front bumper when they return to the lane I am in… even if we are the only two vehicles in sight. How does the automatic braking and adaptive cruise control handle that situation?

On my girls car it either coasts/engine brakes down or actually brakes depending on the speed mismatch. If they are moving faster than you it typically coasts. That being said in most situations I've used the adaptive cruise control it ends up you are 10-15 mph below your set speed because of all the "weavers". Making it practically useless in those situations as you are perpetually in a state of decel then acceleration just to have it do it again as it trys to maintain one of the 3 preset following distances.

To answer your question, I don't use it. If people drove responsibly it would probably be okay.

 

[Lou C]

2022 grand Cherokee. Two spark plugs per cylinder. So 16 spark plugs! Took over 3 hours. 3.5 ecoboost….30 minutes.

It doesn't take me that long but I've done it a few times.
So I also look at this, how long do you keep vehicles? If less than 10 years, fine then the extra tech to make Ecoboost what it is, may not be an issue. However, if you keep vehicles longer, all the extra hardware (turbos, cooling for the turbos, etc) can become problematical. Very long timing chains, timing chain guides, cam phasers. There is just a lot more add ons than a relatively simple V8 with a single camshaft, MDS (multiple displacement system) and VVT (2009 and up). Yes there are 16 spark plugs but later models use platinum plugs that don't require as frequent replacements as the older models.
The later Grands and Durangos have a wider engine compartment, it should be easier than on mine which has the big fuse box overhanging the driver side valve cover.
I'll have to head back to our local FoMoCo dealer and look under some hoods. Not a fan of the wet belt to run the oil pump on the 2.7 Eco. Wonder how they hold up?
I'd certainly consider a Bronco or Explorer. All the county police cars are Explorers here.

 

[flashback]

So if cutoff like that in heavy traffic, it will automatically brake check the person behind you? I don’t see that as a positive since a lot of drivers seem to like to tailgate too. Not to mention the increased potential for a road rage encounter.

whats behind ya don't matter.

 

[alldodge]

So if cutoff like that in heavy traffic, it will automatically brake check the person behind you? I don’t see that as a positive since a lot of drivers seem to like to tailgate too. Not to mention the increased potential for a road rage encounter.

That's why I only use it on 2 lane roads

 

[bruceb58]

It doesn't take me that long but I've done it a few times.
So I also look at this, how long do you keep vehicles? If less than 10 years, fine then the extra tech to make Ecoboost what it is, may not be an issue. However, if you keep vehicles longer, all the extra hardware (turbos, cooling for the turbos, etc) can become problematical. Very long timing chains, timing chain guides, cam phasers. There is just a lot more add ons than a relatively simple V8 with a single camshaft, MDS (multiple displacement system) and VVT (2009 and up). Yes there are 16 spark plugs but later models use platinum plugs that don't require as frequent replacements as the older models.
The later Grands and Durangos have a wider engine compartment, it should be easier than on mine which has the big fuse box overhanging the driver side valve cover.
I'll have to head back to our local FoMoCo dealer and look under some hoods. Not a fan of the wet belt to run the oil pump on the 2.7 Eco. Wonder how they hold up?
I'd certainly consider a Bronco or Explorer. All the county police cars are Explorers here.

I am not a fan of wet belts either. My understanding is they have gotten rid of it or are getting rid of it in th 2.7

I used to keep cars/trucks until over 200k. I can afford to buy new cars often now so I don’t bother keeping them that long I still keep very good care of them though. The people that buy cars from me get very well maintained cars

 

[bruceb58]

So if cutoff like that in heavy traffic, it will automatically brake check the person behind you? I don’t see that as a positive since a lot of drivers seem to like to tailgate too. Not to mention the increased potential for a road rage encounter.

Doesn’t work like that. They would have to be very close for brakes to actually be applied. Most of the time it just coasts until the gap is recovered.

 

[alldodge]

Doesn’t work like that. They would have to be very close for brakes to actually be applied. Most of the time it just coasts until the gap is recovered.

He said 10ft post 687

 

[DeepCMark58A]

Doesn’t work like that. They would have to be very close for brakes to actually be applied. Most of the time it just coasts until the gap is recovered.

First thing I do when I get in a rental car, shut that crap off

 

[Lou C]

I am not a fan of wet belts either. My understanding is they have gotten rid of it or are getting rid of it in th 2.7

I used to keep cars/trucks until over 200k. I can afford to buy new cars often now so I don’t bother keeping them that long I still keep very good care of them though. The people that buy cars from me get very well maintained cars

I do the same I try to keep them as long as possible. What I run into is NLA parts & corrosion in the damp northeast.

 

[dingbat]

He said 10ft post 687

They are all different, but Mazda uses a combination of LiDAR, CCD and speed.

Adaptive cruise simply maintains a preset distance between you and the vehicle in front of you. You can follow someone 5' away and not activate the braking system if the rate of acceleration/deceleration between vehicles is maintained.

With Auto Braking, I get a warning if I'm closing the gap to quickly if running up behind someone stopped in traffic to quickly. Auto braking kicks in once the computer determines a collision is imminent based on input "including, but not limited to speed, rate of acceleration/deceleration, and position and rate of movement of the brake pedal, accelerator pedal, and steering wheel"

I've not experianced it yet, but suppledly it has has a city and urban mode as well.

 

[alldodge]

They are all different, but Mazda uses a combination of LiDAR, CCD and speed.

Adaptive cruise simply maintains a preset distance between you and the vehicle in front of you. You can follow someone 5' away and not activate the braking system if the rate of acceleration/deceleration between vehicles is maintained.

With Auto Braking, I get a warning if I'm closing the gap to quickly if running up behind someone stopped in traffic to quickly. Auto braking kicks in once the computer determines a collision is imminent based on input "including, but not limited to speed, rate of acceleration/deceleration, and position and rate of movement of the brake pedal, accelerator pedal, and steering wheel"

I've not experianced it yet, but suppledly it has has a city and urban mode as well.

Show where any ACC allows 5' or even 10' separation at freeway speeds? My comments come from post 687, where are yours coming from?