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[Lou C]

Ok for the verbally sensitive folks, I'll change my terminology from conspiracy to augmented revenue strategy. Because that's what it is. The truck does NOT have to be designed that way. Older Ford trucks certainly were not.
All better now?
And for everyone's enlightenment next time I'm at my independent mechanic, I'll ask him does he do Ford cab-off jobs.

 

[jlh3rd]

Lifting a cab really isn't a difficult task in theory... I've done it... but any vehicle in the northeast after about 5 years it usually results in most fasteners being... well... stuck. Those road salt free areas or people who swap vehicles every 3-5 years usually never have to worry about that. I've done just cab mounts on a few trucks and usually it involves a torch if they're 10+ years old.

You can still work on it without. It’s just way easier to raise the cab and requires less hours. Not sure why this is so mind boggling to you.

not the point of this thread.
As a matter of fact, saying it's easier working on a truck by raising the cab illustrates the point. It's harder for the DIY'er to work on cars today.

 

[bruceb58]

Because most independent mechanics (remember those, the ones most people use after warrantee) aren't going to want to do this. When you say work on it, it depends on what the "work" is. Pulling cylinder heads? can that be done? More un-repairable vehicles could be the result. That's why I don't like the design decisions they made. And it's not just FoMoCo they all do this in one way or another.
Ever look under the hood of a 2.7 Ecoboost? it is a rat's nest of wiring, hoses, plastic fittings, etc.
Now look under the hood of a Durango with the 5.7. Simple, you can get at everything, all the spark plugs, oil filter, etc. Night and day. I like the Bronco and the power of the 2.7 but I can imagine how much fun those hoses, plastic fittings etc will be when they are 10 years old!

I had a 2018 3.5 ecoboost. It WAY easier than working on a V8 hemi in a recent jeep grand Cherokee. Not even close.

not the point of this thread.
As a matter of fact, saying it's easier working on a truck by raising the cab illustrates the point. It's harder for the DIY'er to work on cars today.

it’s still workable from the top. They just designed to have the option to raise the cab

 

[Lou C]

not the point of this thread.
As a matter of fact, saying it's easier working on a truck by raising the cab illustrates the point. It's harder for the DIY'er to work on cars today.

The reality is no DIYer is doing that and I’d guess few independents do. Why? Well there is the issue of possible seized fasteners and how many individual wiring harness connectors need to be undone.

 

[Lou C]

I had a 2018 3.5 ecoboost. It WAY easier than working on a V8 hemi in a recent jeep grand Cherokee. Not even close.

it’s still workable from the top. They just designed to have the option to raise the cab

Whe you say working on what jobs do you mean?

 

[bruceb58]

Whe you say working on what jobs do you mean?

2022 grand Cherokee. Two spark plugs per cylinder. So 16 spark plugs! Took over 3 hours. 3.5 ecoboost….30 minutes.