New Orleans..rebuild or abandon?

[alden135]

Re: New Orleans..rebuild or abandon?

Originally posted by ErikDC:<br /> With proper engineering and construction,

Famous last words.

 

[Elmer Fudge]

Re: New Orleans..rebuild or abandon?

Originally posted by txswinner:<br /> Let the Oil companies rebuild it apparently it is the mainstream of their business, look at what it caused gas prices to do.

When this country was attacked and the twin towers were destroyed, no one said let wallstreet rebuild it, or let wallstreet sort out the taliban and alquaeda, your comment perhaps not intended, nevertheless showed only disdain for the suffering peoples of New Orleans.

 

[ErikDC]

Re: New Orleans..rebuild or abandon?

I'm trying to be as positive as I can, Alden. I don't do the negativity thing.

 

[POINTER94]

Re: New Orleans..rebuild or abandon?

News flash,<br /><br />I honestly don't know what to do. I would have to see the engineers spec's and be able to understand them. Look at Milwaukee and the deep tunnel project. Everytime it rains billions of gallons of sewage flows into lake michigan. That was suppose to support the 100 year storm, but can't handle a light sprinkle.

 

[jtexas]

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"Louisiana 1927" by Randy Newman<br /><br />What has happened down here is the winds have changed<br />Clouds roll in from the north and it started to rain<br />Rained real hard and it rained for a real long time<br />Six feet of water in the streets of Evangeline<br />The river rose all day<br />The river rose all night<br />Some people got lost in the flood<br />Some people got away alright<br />The river have busted through clear down to Plaquemines<br />Six feet of water in the streets of Evangelne<br /><br />Louisiana, Louisiana<br />They're tyrin' to wash us away<br />They're tryin' to wash us away<br />Louisiana, Louisiana<br />They're tryin' to wash us away<br />They're tryin' to wash us away<br /><br />President Coolidge came down in a railroad train<br />With a little fat man with a note-pad in his hand<br />The President say, "Little fat man isn't it a shame what the river has done<br />To this poor crackers land."<br /><br />Louisiana, Louisiana<br />They're tryin' to wash us away<br />They're tryin' to wash us away<br />Louisiana, Louisiana<br />They're tryin' to wash us away<br />They're tryin' to wash us away<br />They're tryin' to wash us away<br />They're tryin' to wash us away

 

[roscoe]

Re: New Orleans..rebuild or abandon?

Most of NO will need to be leveled as the foundations and framework of the buildings are damaged, the subsoils are compromised, the wood- insulation-drywall are saturated and contaminated with pollutants, and the water and sewer lines compromised.<br /><br />After the buildings are gone, including most of those homes that sustained flood damge, and they will be gone, taken by condemnation, dozer and endloader, in the name of public safety and health, then the landowners should decide if they will rebuild, at their expense. <br /><br />This will be like a giant game of SimCity. The city will need to decide what services it will provide, and the people will need to decide if it is worth the risk. With no jobs, no services, little infrastructure, no housing, few retailers, what will make the people want to be there? Large industry and business will build/rebuild outside of the area rather than wait for months just to get water and electric service before they can start to rebuild. Larger corps with multiple offices or locations will shift workloads to other branches, venturing back into NO only if they must, when and if there is a demand for their service.<br /><br />By the time thay get the water out, then a couple months or longer to get the electric supply in order, many of the buildings will be gone or deemed unsafe. So what will they hook up to the electic grid? Street lights and traffic light? <br /><br />Many hundreds of thousands of people will leave the area permanently. Being relocated out of necessity for the time being, but it will be a long long time till people are able to get back in there and make a living. Once people are able to find jobs in other areas and start over, they will be reluctant to go back to NO and start over again. Many will find it much easier and less stressful not to put themselves back into an area with such risks. Take the insurance, government aid, or charitable check and move on.<br /><br />My opinion, NO will be a much smaller and less populated city.<br />And with a much smaller tax base. Will they be able to afford the levee system and infrastructure needed?<br /><br />If you don't HAVE to be in that city, would you go back?<br />If so, why?

 

[Scaaty]

Re: New Orleans..rebuild or abandon?

Rebuld it as a big casino (ala LV), and let the mob run it

 

[imported_Curmudgeon]

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.. they just need to make the levees stronger..<br /><br />Wonder how strong is strong enough?<br /><br />Let the Oil companies rebuild it apparently it is the mainstream of their business,<br /><br />The oil companys don't need New Orleans, and use very little of it as is.<br /><br />New Orleans is still there, just needs some repairs.<br /><br />Yeah, like the WTC was still there, and just needed some propping up!

 

[roscoe]

Re: New Orleans..rebuild or abandon?

And all that water that has come down in Northern and central Miss, Kentucky, Tenn, Ohio, is headed down the Miss river toward the levees in NO.<br /><br />And the Mayor of NO now wants everyone to leave for atleast 3-4 months.

 

[Tinkr]

Re: New Orleans..rebuild or abandon?

Fellas,<br /><br />There's still people waiting for rescue and some of them are probably going to die. Not to mention bodies in the water and the diseases that might come.<br /><br />I'm still thinking about the poor ba$tards who are trying to live, and how they might be saved.<br /><br />I think it's a bit callous to be running this thread now.<br /><br />Or would you think it was OK to be running a thread about the engineering and symbolic issues involved in rebuilding the twin towers while they were still burning and people were dying in them?

 

[Mark42]

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Use it as the nations land fill until it is built up enough that it is well above sea level. Then rebuild on top so there will be no flooding worries in the future. <br /><br />Or, turn it into a bay with lots of park land, water front property, and new modern sea port.

 

[ehenry]

Re: New Orleans..rebuild or abandon?

LAZ061-062-011900-<br />UPPER JEFFERSON-ORLEANS-<br />INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...NEW ORLEANS...BRIDGE CITY...HARAHAN...<br />JEFFERSON AND RIVER RIDGE...<br />640 AM CDT THU SEP 1 2005<br /><br />...WATER LEVELS IN NEW ORLEANS HAVE REPORTEDLY CRESTED...<br /><br />...SIGNIFICANT FLOODING WILL CONTINUE IN THE NEW ORLEANS AREA FOR<br />THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE...<br /><br />INDICATIONS ARE THAT WATER LEVELS IN AND AROUND THE CITY OF<br />NEW ORLEANS ARE NO LONGER RISING. HOWEVER...THE WATERS ARE NOT<br />RECEDING...AND SIGNIFICANT TO CATASTROPHIC FLOODING CONTINUES OVER A<br />LARGE PART OF THE GREATER NEW ORLEANS AREA.<br /><br />AS RESCUE AND RELIEF EFFORTS CONTINUE...THE IMPORTANT THING<br />IS TO REMAIN CALM AND FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS OF LOCAL OFFICIALS SO<br />THAT YOU DO NOT HINDER SUCH EFFORTS. IF YOU ARE INSTRUCTED TO LEAVE<br />NEW ORLEANS BY AUTHORITIES...THEN DO SO!<br /><br />IF YOU ARE READING THIS MESSAGE OUTSIDE OF NEW ORLEANS...DO NOT<br />ATTEMPT TO GO THERE. ADDITIONAL PEOPLE WILL ONLY COMPLICATE THE<br />RESCUE AND RELIEF EFFORTS.<br /><br />IF YOU ARE ON HIGHER GROUND IN THE MIDST OF THIS FLOODING AND YOU<br />HAPPEN TO RECEIVE THIS MESSAGE BY WHATEVER MEANS...CONTINUE TO<br />MONITOR THE SITUATION AND AWAIT ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FROM LOCAL<br />AUTHORITIES. HEED THEIR ADVICE. CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE WATER<br />LEVELS AROUND YOU FOR ANY ADDITIONAL SIGNS OF WATER RISES...JUST IN<br />CASE. BE PREPARED TO QUICKLY SEEK HIGHER GROUND.<br /><br />FINALLY...THOSE WHO ARE STRANDED IN FLOODED AREAS SHOULD BE<br />ESPECIALLY CAUTIOUS OF DANGEROUS OBJECTS UNDER THE WATER SURFACE AS<br />WELL AS OPEN MANHOLES. IF POSSIBLE...TRY TO AVOID THE CONTACT OF<br />CUTS AND SCRAPES ON YOUR BODY TO THE FLOOD WATERS.

 

[BillP]

Re: New Orleans..rebuild or abandon?

I didn't read all the posts but I'd say "abandon".<br />Knowing what they know now, it doesn't seem sane to build a city under sea level unless the levies are built to survive 300mph winds and 75' waves.

 

[jtexas]

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Originally posted by Tinkr:<br /> Fellas,<br /><br />There's still people waiting for rescue and some of them are probably going to die. Not to mention bodies in the water and the diseases that might come.<br /><br />I'm still thinking about the poor ba$tards who are trying to live, and how they might be saved.<br /><br />I think it's a bit callous to be running this thread now.<br /><br />Or would you think it was OK to be running a thread about the engineering and symbolic issues involved in rebuilding the twin towers while they were still burning and people were dying in them?

You don't get to be the world's superpower by failing to plan ahead.

 

[JasonJ]

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I can't believe the religious implications of this event haven't been explored. My wife said it the other day: "With all the ********** that goes on in that place, maybe God just felt it was time to clean the slate". She is the religious one, you all know my religious views. <br /><br />God and all that aside, I think it would be irresponsible to rebuild that place. It is a shame to lose an area with so much history, but it was built in a time where people did not have the understanding of cause and effect that we have now. Just like the people who keep rebuilding their houses on hurricane prone areas of the east coast, it is just plain silly to burn that much resources in rebuilding New Orleans in that location. <br /><br />My belief is that the area should be cleaned, and left to stabilize naturally. Once the area is stabilized, let the population grow and expand on its own along the new shorelines. Levies and pumps and all that are not the answer, nature will always win. We have to be smart about this...

 

[tommays]

Re: New Orleans..rebuild or abandon?

WELL actualy NO seams to be in better shape then the areas that are above sea level<br /><br />would you not rebuild NYC ? washington DC cause i can tell you that when the next big one hits there it will be just as bad <br /><br />we have just been luckey that the last big one was 1938 but its only a matter of time<br /><br /><br />tommays

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

Re: New Orleans..rebuild or abandon?

What I heard today on the radio was alarming to me. The levies were only built to withstand a Cat 3 hurricane. Authorities have known this for years. This is why FEMA rated NO as the 3rd worst places for future catastrophies. Radio also mentioned that GWB cut their funding for the levies.<br /><br />Has anyone else heard this?

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

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Forgot to mention. Water lines can be sanitized. Sewer systems just need flushed out. The city can be rebuilt, but how many is going to want to? Only time will tell.

 

[dakk1]

Re: New Orleans..rebuild or abandon?

With all due respect, New Orleans is no more. If your going to build a new city build it somewhere else. Save the people. Help them relocate and try to pick up their lives.

 

[rolmops]

Re: New Orleans..rebuild or abandon?

I say rebuild.Get a bunch of Dutch waterworks engineers and do not let pork barrel politicians get in their way.In 10 years there will be a safe city to be proud of and it will be well below sealevel,although these guys are quite capable of bringing the level above zero if they want to.