Manufactured news?

JB

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CNN Headline News just reported that a reporter, imbedded with troops, wrote the question that a trooper asked Sec. Rumsfeld yesterday that got so much attention.<br /><br />The report said that the reporter gave the carefully worded question to the trooper and asked the Sergeant in charge to be sure that that trooper got to ask it.<br /><br />The question was carefully worded to cause uproar and make the government and Rumsfeld look bad.<br /><br />This strikes me as the worst of yellow journalism and that the reporter should be recalled and fired.<br /><br />Is this the first (only) time the media has manufactured news to suit an anti-USA agenda?<br /><br />What do you guys and gals think?
 

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JB, this doenst suprise me, what does is that CNN actually outed the reporter.<br /><br />I have said it before and I will say it again, the media these days are awful. They only want headlines, so they can sell more copies, nevermind who or what it hurts.<br /><br />The media has big problems, but the masses will keep on watching it and believing.<br /><br />Ken
 

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Soldiers inbedded with the media. :rolleyes: <br />Libs really are pathetic when they have no power.
 

eeboater

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The reporter is claiming this is his greatest-life achievement. What does that say about today's media? When they consider their greatest life achievement to be when they went AGAINST THE RULES and fabricated questions.<br /><br />Sean
 

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Yea, armor issue be damned. Let's get the commie, pinko news media. Who do they think they are suggesting, throught a surrogate, that a good, red-blooded, American soldier needs stinkin' armor.
 

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This doen't surprize me JB and you already know how I feel about the news media. But I am glad you shared this bit of information.
 

12Footer

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Originally posted by eeboater:<br /> The reporter is claiming this is his greatest-life achievement. What does that say about today's media? When they consider their greatest life achievement to be when they went AGAINST THE RULES and fabricated questions.<br /><br />Sean
It's nothing new, Sean. This is how most "journalists" become "anchormen". Dan Rather was a "reporter" in Vietnam.<br />He did it to get ahead. Just like all of the rest, he did not care who was harmed as long as they can climb over the carcases to higher ground.<br /><br />
Originally posted by boatbouy:<br /><br />Yea, armor issue be damned. Let's get the commie, pinko news media. Who do they think they are suggesting, throught a surrogate, that a good, red-blooded, American soldier needs stinkin' armor
<br /><br />Nobody is angry about the soldier getting-up and speaking his mind. I (for one),am very angry he had to be coached, and coached by a vermon USA's own media scum-worm.<br />The fact that armor has to be improvised in the field of battle, is as old as battle itself.<br />The PROPAGANDA,however, is not. Our own media used to support the country. Now, they have to name the agency that cuts thier check, lest they be confused with Al Ja Zeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeera!<br /><br />A couple of examples of such improvisation to proove my point;<br />WWII, American "Sherman" Tanks were nicknamed "Ronsons", after the popular cigrette lighter of the era. They were powerd by gas engines (Twin Caddy V-8s), had thin side armor plate, and were useless when they came-upon the Hegrows. Tank crews improvised by welding metal plates to the sides, and by making huge root rake devices for busting thru the hedgerows. They were WAAAAY out-armored and out-gunned by the German Panzer (Panther) .<br /><br />Ever see the movie, "Apolcolypse Now"? A totally bogus, fictional movie, but it showed chopper jockeys sitting on thier helmets. When asked why, the jockey said, "So we don't get our a$ ses shot off!" That was fact.<br />And the "door-gunner" was an improvisation that became standard armament on the Huey helecopters. They were the seed that spawned the "Cobra gunship" too.<br />Also, air cav and AF pilots used thier flack jackets as seat cusions for the same reason. This lead to added armor durring the design of the Cobra,Apache, and even the A-10 "Warthog" jet.<br />I won't bore you further with any more examples, but when it comes to warfare, you learn what werks, what does not, and IMPROVISE.<br />Some of the best advances come from such improvisation in the field. BTW, the most deadly weapon in the mutant towel head arsenal is the "improvised explosive device", called "IED's", by coalition forces, and is the REASON the Hmv drivers want to weld crap on thier vehicles in the first flippin place!!!!<br /><br /><br />As for the "issue", sure. whatever ,man. :rolleyes:
 

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Dont you think soldiers in any war have had to put up with equipment that isnt up to par. Compared to other wars in history, this army has the best equipment EVER. They have had to scavage for armor, so what, that is what a soldier should do. We were caught a little flatfooted with the unarmored humvees, but the goods are coming.<br /><br />The point of it all is that, the reporter planned the whole thing only so he could obtain his "greatest life achievement". He doesnt give a rats tail about the armor.<br /><br />Ken
 

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Maybe Kerry should have voted for the 87b after he voted against it..
 

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I used to know a bow gunner from a swift boat. He said the first time he was in a firefight, he huddled down in the pit. Everyone on the boat laughed at him later, he thought there was armor in the pit and all it had was the fiberglass liner. He said after that, there wasnt a flak jacket the SE Asia that was safe from him. He had the pit so full of flak jackets he could hardly get in himself. :)
 

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I was saddened by both the soldier's question (not that he asked it, but that he had to ask it) and by the recent report that the "reporter' put the soldier up to it. Publicly denegrating your country's senior people on air is not the best way of engendering confidence in the people who pay the taxes to support the military, so by this action the situation will pobably worsen rather than get better. Just an opinion from the other side of the world, but from a viewpoint of support of the war against terror. Just hope the Iraqui authorities hurry up and do to Sadam what the Italians did to Mussolini.
 

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Drudge Report Says Times Reporter Coached Soldiers On Rumsfeld Questions<br />Pitts Says Had "One Of My Best Days As A Journalist "<br />posted December 9, 2004<br /><br />A Chattanooga reporter coached area soldiers to ask Defense Secretary a question that drew international attention, according to the Drudge Report.<br /><br />The Internet news and commentary service said Chattanooga Times Free Press reporter Edward Lee Pitts worked with soldiers to get a question out after a lack of armor for troops headed into Iraq.<br /><br />The Drudge Report ran an email allegedly from Mr. Pitts to newspaper staffers about the incident, which he said was "one of my best days as a journalist."<br />A local soldier, Sgt. Thomas Wilson, asked the question, which apparently caught Mr. Rumsfeld off guard. <br />Mr. Pitts is embedded with the 278th Regimental Combat Team, now in Kuwait preparing to enter Iraq.<br />Mr. Pitts said in the email he made sure that one of the soldiers he had given the question to was called on.<br />He said he did it because he believes "lives are at stake with so many soldiers going across the border riding with scrap metal as protection." <br /><br />Tom Griscom, Chattanooga Times Free Press publisher, could not be reached for comment immediately.<br />Regina Wilson, the wife of Sgt. Wilson, appeared on the Good Morning, America TV show on Thursday morning. She works at UnumProvident in Chattanooga.<br />Here is the email posted on the Drudge Report:<br /><br />From: EDWARD LEE PITTS, MILITARY AFFAIRS<br />Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2004 4:44 PM<br />To: Staffers<br />Subject: RE: Way to go<br /><br />I just had one of my best days as a journalist today. As luck would have it, our journey North was delayed just long enough see I could attend a visit today here by Defense Secretary Rumsfeld. I was told yesterday that only soldiers could ask questions so I brought two of them along with me as my escorts. Before hand we worked on questions to ask Rumsfeld about the appalling lack of armor their vehicles going into combat have. While waiting for the VIP, I went and found the Sgt. in charge of the microphone for the question and answer session and made sure he knew to get my guys out of the crowd.<br />So during the Q&A session, one of my guys was the second person called on. When he asked Rumsfeld why after two years here soldiers are still having to dig through trash bins to find rusted scrap metal and cracked ballistic windows for their Humvees, the place erupted in cheers so loud that Rumsfeld had to ask the guy to repeat his question. Then Rumsfeld answered something about it being "not a lack of desire or money but a logistics/physics problem." He said he recently saw about 8 of the special up-armored Humvees guarding Washington, DC, and he promised that they would no longer be used for that and that he would send them over here. Then he asked a three star general standing behind him, the commander of all ground forces here, to also answer the question. The general said it was a problem he is working on. <br /><br />The great part was that after the event was over the throng of national media following Rumsfeld- The New York Times, AP, all the major networks -- swarmed to the two soldiers I brought from the unit I am embedded with. Out of the 1,000 or so troops at the event there were only a handful of guys from my unit b/c the rest were too busy prepping for our trip north. The national media asked if they were the guys with the armor problem and then stuck cameras in their faces. The NY Times reporter asked me to email him the stories I had already done on it, but I said he could search for them himself on the Internet and he better not steal any of my lines. I have been trying to get this story out for weeks- as soon as I foud out I would be on an unarmored truck- and my paper published two stories on it. But it felt good to hand it off to the national press. I believe lives are at stake with so many soldiers going across the border riding with scrap metal as protection. It may be to late for the unit I am with, but hopefully not for those who come after.<br />The press officer in charge of my regiment, the 278th, came up to me afterwords and asked if my story would be positive. I replied that I would write the truth. Then I pointed at the horde of national media pointing cameras and mics at the 278th guys and said he had bigger problems on his hands than the Chattanooga Times Free Press. This is what this job is all about - people need to know. The solider who asked the question said he felt good b/c he took his complaints to the top. When he got back to his unit most of the guys patted him on the back but a few of the officers were upset b/c they thought it would make them look bad. From what I understand this is all over the news back home.<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />Lee<br /><br />
This was pulled from the Chattanoogan Times website. <br /><br />Those that can remember the likes of Bill Mauldin and Ernie Pyle can probably better appreciate the unconventional role journalists sometimes assume.<br /><br />Although I am bothered somewhat by the manipulations that occured in getting the question put forth, it took the co-operation of at least two enlisted men, one an NCO I believe, to do it. Would they have been willing to take the flak if the basic premise of the question was false? <br /><br />What bothers me more is there any validity to the question? <br /><br />In my home state we have several metal fabrication shops that are quite capable of meeting at least the quality of Iraqi salvage yards that could produce the needed armour plating.<br /><br />Battlefield improvization is a great thing but should not be relied upon as a regular means of supply. It should be stop gap only.<br /><br />We knew that there was not enough armour to go around over a year ago. Why couldn't the Pentagon Procurement department put the specs out as a public document and notify all interested parties that they would pay "X" amount of dollars for each piece produced that meets the requirments? Small shops all over the nation would have tripped over themselves to get a piece of that pie.<br /><br />If funding this would have been a problem they could have set up some sort of "War Bond" drive to raise the funds. I would have purchased a few of those bonds even at 1% interest.<br /><br />Folks, those are our sons and daughters laying it on the line over there. If they are not getting the best we have to offer in equipment and material we need to hold the feet of those responsible to the fire.<br /><br />For those of you that want too here is a link to David Hackworth's website. Read his bio on the website and maybe pickup a couple of his books.<br /><br /><br /> Past Articles by Hackworth <br /><br />I may have set a record here for number of links in a post.<br /><br />Best Wishes to all,<br />Parrott_head
 
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The soldier never should have asked it in a public forum. Very disrespectful.<br /><br />I don't expect anything less than underhanded methods from a reporter.
 

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It is sad but true the news media in this country has not factually reported the news for far to long. They have and will continue doing what ever it takes to get top billing on the 6 pm news, and front page copy in the papers.<br />I seen it done in the late 60's and early 70's in Viet-Nam, they have done it ever since, Like 12footer said when it comes to personal protection in a combat zone the American soldier can and is the most resourceful person you will ever find. There were lots of tricks we invented that now are standard issue. All the ones 12footer mentioned plus ones like attaching a c-rat can to the feed side of a m-60 so the a gunner was not necessary.<br />Until someone starts making the news media accountable for there actions and mis use of freedom of speech they hid behind, it will most likely continue.<br />Just my opinion.<br />Ray
 

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Boys... The media is "out to get" whomever they can "get".... Been that way for a looooooong time.... Long as I can remember.... They got to "get" the story, and don't care who they have to use, ie. libs or conservs, or who they step on to get the story...<br /><br />Liberal media "got" Nixon & company cause they fed us BS...<br />Conservative media "got", er tried to "get" Carter... Too bad for the media, hard to "get" an honest man...<br />Liberal media "got" Reagan & Bush... Iran/Contra BS comes to mind...<br />Conservative media "got" Slick Willie... Aired his, & monica's dirty laundry, which was none of this countries business BTW...<br />Liberal media "got" Bush & company, and I suspect they'll keep hammering away at that gang untill they're gone, and prolly after too..<br />Guess what! The media is gonna "get" the next Administration too, whichever "side" they're on...<br /><br />Somebody said "The media went against the rules"... Booo-friggitty-whooooo! All's fair in WAR and politics!!!!
 

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Another case of some journalist trying to manufacture a news story.<br /><br />The question itself was a fair question IMHO, but the setting was for Rummy to take questions from soldiers, not journalists. The soldier's question was disingenuous as a result of the rehearsing that took place beforehand and the manipulation to get that soldier called upon.<br /><br />That "reporter" should be removed ASAP.<br /><br />BTW the story written was titled "Hillbilly Armor".
 

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Originally posted by snapperbait:<br /> Boys... The media is "out to get" whomever they can "get".... Somebody said "The media went against the rules"... Booo-friggitty-whooooo! All's fair in WAR and politics!!!!
Tell that to the rest of the troops over there. Oh, that's right, someone allready has!<br /> <br />Snapperbait, of course you're 100% correct. But they used to call such tactics (and the product generated from it) "propaganda". Since this propaganda is now being produced by our own media instead of Al Ja Zeeeeera, most folks do not refere to it as propaganda. They did this in Korea and Vietnam too.<br />Instead, they call Rush Limbuagh a "spinner of propaganda". How much more twisted can it get?
 

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Originally posted by DJ:<br /> The soldier never should have asked it in a public forum. Very disrespectful.<br /><br />I don't expect anything less than underhanded methods from a reporter.
I agree 100% on both statements.
 

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The reporter is a piece of filth. The question is a valid one but should not have been aired publicly. Reporters do not belong imbedded with the troops. Yellow journalism is as old as journalism itself and is self-serving; it's main purpose is to make money for the reporter or and/or his/her employer.<br /><br />No doubt, our soldiers deserve nothing but the best but that doesn't mean we shouldn't send them in harm's way because we don't have everything we think they should have. If we actually fought wars by that premise, Midway would never have occurred nor would hundreds of other actions in every war.
 

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So all (most) of you are disgusted that this question was asked and Rumsfeld looked like the deluded warmongering buffoon that he is??? What about our young soldiers that are dieing on a daily basis from roadside bombs made specifically with these Wimp-Duty Hummers in mind? Only a blind-faithed Republican could possibly consider this a "Manufactured" question. The problem EXISTS! The question is VALID!! And the answer was PATHETIC!!! :mad: <br /><br />Our town just buried another fine young man. He grew up here. He attended the schools my kids attend. He probably bagged my groceries and carted them to my van. He was killed on patrol in a Hummer by a roadside bomb Thanksgiving Day while we stuffed our bellies and watched football. You want to tangle with me on this issue? GOOD LUCK!!!<br /><br />Addendum: Next time you go grocery shopping, Thank the kid bagging them up. I mean look him/her square in the eye and honestly Thank them. You never know if the next time you see them will be in a flag-draped coffin, and then realize you missed your only chance to say Thank-you.<br /><br /> http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/112904_ap_ns_soldier.html
 
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