Living off the grid

MTboatguy

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rbh is 100% correct, you need to be able to move your panels to adjust for the differing position of the sun during the seasons, being you are in FL, you amount of adjustment will be quite a bit less than mine, but you still need to account for it.
 

bruceb58

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I am figuring on a 5kw start up with rolls batteries and probably 6 200 watt panels. Not to run the 220. I have a huge frig that with two kids runs a lot. I want to add a second circuit breaker box next to the existing one and pull the 110 over. Use a 50 amp from the main turned off to the inverter unless needed or I guess with the newer smart ones that isn't necessary. Feed the 110 with the inverter. Getting back any overage isn't really important. I was looking more at the rebates and federal tax relief. Separate charge controller.
I don't see the advantage of keeping the 220V and 110V separate. Wouldn't it make it simpler to keep them together? After all, your circuit breaker box delivers the 110 off the 220.

i would also think code would not allow you to do this. They do have electrical codes if Florida right?
 
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Be careful QC, or you'll become sterile. Oh wait, just realized we're talking about something else.
 

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Here we go imagination time!

So here is what I am seeing, old 70s swing set x 2 (the old heavy steal ones) 2 swing not 3, the three swing bounced to much.
This gives you your bipods to mount into the ground and your cross beam to mount your solar collectors on.
And since it is tube it also is conduit.
Span the cross beam with tube so you can mount one collector on each side.
The cross beams will need to rotate in its mount, but also will need to have a rotational pin point X amount of degrees apart to follow/track the sun.
 

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I am a certified home inspector, 2 year degree in EE. And have installed inverters in boats. As far as the disconnect. I was going to install a 50 amp in the original box turned off and feed the inverter if needed. The inverter would be hooked up to the grid as a backup charger if needed. I am just asking questions to see if anyone here has done any more research than me or has a working system and has a better idea of the does and do nots. I would thing hearing about all the cabins up North this would have been an appropriate subject.

Some people who don't understand what you are talking about get upset not being able to give a reasonable comment
 
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MTboatguy

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kahuna, I know exactly what you are talking about, I have had my system set up for over 10 years now and using it, I am only 55 miles from the Canadian border, so I do know what the winters are like as well as being off the grid.

I also run a 5th wheel trailer and can be off the grid for a long time in that thing, being retired my wife and I get wild hairs every once in a while and head farther into the woods, so I would hope my answers have been reasonable, I do know what you are talking about and what you want to do.

When I was in the military, we used to set a lot of off the grid camps up with full electrical and computer services.

When I have the solar working I can capture almost a thousand watts and my battery bank is close to 2500 amp hours, so I do know what I am doing and can help. But there is no need to get frustrated, guys are just having some fun.

How large of an inverter are you considering? I have 3 to feed different parts of the house and different circuits, all good quality sine wave systems, because I still need my internet when off grid and I don't want to fry anything, currently as I type this I have 6 computers running and have two more I am bringing online in the next few days as well as a Cisco rack switching system. I am working on setting up a data center here at home to run my wife's internet business, and it requires a lot of juice.

Anyway.
 
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MTboatguy

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Yes, all of this is a moot conversation if you are not going to put in the proper switching systems.
 

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From what I had read I have a real advantage living here. According to what I have read I have an average of 4.5 "clean" hours overall year round. Not much on wind. I really like the idea of a $20 electric bill. I live right on the water and my air or heat is off 8 months of the year for the most part. We eat off the grill 4-5 nights a week because that's the way real crackers were brought up and its nice being outside in 75 degrees. I need a clothes dryer and a stove. Hot water is not a big deal as I can have a solar or use the grid.

I am not talking about changing our lifestyle. Just being more independent and safer.
 

MTboatguy

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Safer? Independent I understand, but don't quite know what you mean by safer? As far as a $20 electric bill, I don't know that this is possible, my minimum charge is over $30 per month and that is just what they call the basic charge to have electrical hooked up to the house. I do receive a dividend check every year in December for about $60 for being a member of the co-op and have several thousands of dollars built up in capital credits that I can use in the future. But I don't know that $20 bucks a month is a reasonable expectation.
 
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heres a good read on wind power....if its even an option .

Here's a basic overview of the three basic types of residential wind energy systems:

A. Grid-Connect (Grid-Tie) Systems without Batteries: Grid-connect systems interface directly with

the electric utility grid via an inverter (provided with our grid-connect wind generators). A Voltage Clamp ( grid-connect controller) rectifies the wind generator's "wild" (variable voltage & frequency) alternating current (AC) to direct current (DC) and limits the maximum output voltage in order to maintain the health of the inverter. The inverter changes the DC outputted from the Voltage Clamp into AC at the required frequency (60 Hz or 50 Hz, depending upon country) and synchronizes with the utility power grid, prior to sending energy produced by the renewable energy system to the household appliances and/or to the grid. Advantages: Grid-connect systems avoid the inherent inefficiency and vigilant maintenance requirements of batteries. Sizing a wind energy system for grid-connection is also simpler than with its battery-charging counterpart, because the utility grid can make up for mismatches between the electrical loads and the wind generator's production capability.

Additionally in many states, there are production incentives for renewable energy sent to the utility grid (while relatively few states provide renewable energy incentives for off-grid production).

Disadvantages: If the utility grid shuts down, so do grid-connected renewable energy systems without battery back-up. In situations where continuous power is critical or where power outages are frequent, battery back-up equipment may be advisable.

B. Battery-Charging Off-Grid Systems: Battery-charging systems feed through a charge controller and into a battery bank. This type of system is primarily used in remote locations where grid power is not available. When storing renewable energy exclusively in batteries, the renewable energy equipment and battery bank must be sized appropriately to maintain sufficient

energy to match consumption and maintain battery health.

Advantages: Battery-charging systems provide their owners with energy independence. Thus, off-grid systems are unaffected by electric utility grid outages.

Disadvantages: When insufficient energy is captured by a battery-charging system, the homeowners must curb their usage to match (since there is no infinite power source, such as the utility grid, to draw upon). Conversely, when the battery bank is full and renewable energy is being produced at a rate faster than loads are being fed, the excess energy is usually "wasted" by heat dissipation (this excess energy can optionally be put to use with water-heating elements in a hot water tank). Batteries require vigilant care and maintenance to keep water and charge levels adequate. Renewable energy batteries are expensive, and failure to properly maintain them can be a very costly mistake.

C. Grid-Connect Systems with Battery Back-up: Grid-connect systems with battery back-up can be configured in several ways -with batteries filled from the utility grid or from the renewable energy system. This system functions similarly to the system described in letter A (Grid-Connect Systems without Batteries) above but continues to function via a back-up battery bank when the local utility grid experiences a power outage.

Advantages: This system combines the best traits of the other two system types. The utility grid can be utilized to fill in energy consumption gaps or over-production surpluses, and they continue to operate (on batteries) if the utility power grid experiences an outage.

Disadvantages: Since this type of system uses batteries, careful maintenance and attention to battery water and charge levels are required in order to maintain healthy batteries. Also, this is generally the most expensive of the three system types, because a more complex configuration comprised of both grid-connect and off-grid equipment is required.
 

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nwcove

Thanks for the cut and paste. I understand ALL the basics and and have installed systems on boats from 30 to 100 ft. I am looking for people who are doing it now or have researched it for home use.
 

bruceb58

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I have a friend who has almost exactly what you are trying to do. He has a solar farm, windmill, battery banks, inverter and a fairly complex switching network which controls everything automatically, keeping the batteries full when needed either by the renewable or the input line. It also logs everything so you can go on your computer and see how well everything is working or not working.

Sounds like you want to do everything manually. Is that correct?
 

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No really. Just trying to get a return on money spent. Obviously the less spent the better. You are correct though that most components you buy today are "smart" and don't need a great deal of attention. Questions I was trying to get answered was what is really needed to be "smart" and what is not.
 
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bruceb58

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No really. Just trying to get a return on money spent. Obviously the less spent the better. You are correct though that most components you buy today are "smart" and don't need a great deal of attention. Questions I was trying to get answered was what is really needed to be "smart" and what is not.
Depends if you are smarter than the system. If you blow a bank of batteries because they got discharged too much, might pay in the long run to pay for the "smarts" up front. Like MtBoatguy said, this isn't going to be cheap and saving money may or may not happen.

I have my summer electric bill down to less than $20 because my electric company gives me a $55 credit to have a device on my AC that they can shut off remotely when power draw is high on the system. Since I am never home during these events, no big deal. For the rest of the months, my bill varies from $45 to $65. It would never pay for me to do this. I have a lot of savings by switching to LED lighting and timers.
 

kahuna123

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agreed. But here its not all about the monthly bill.
 

nwcove

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there are numerous forums that will give you "real" world experiences on this topic for your needs/wants at your latitude. :confused:
 

MTboatguy

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I have been posting real world experience in doing this!
 
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