Living off the grid

MTboatguy

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kahuna,

Have you figured out what your amp requirements per day are yet? If not, you need to calculate your requirements, that will give you a far better knowledge of what it is going to take to go even partially off the grid. I have a 15KW generator and several solar panels with a large amount of batteries, I can go fully off, partially off, or remain on the grid pretty much anytime I want, during the winter, we pretty much stay with the power company unless of course we have a large weather event, the longest I have been without power is about 13 days and we were able to stay on our own during that time. Fuel for the generation system is expensive an solar panel efficiency during the winter is pretty poor. If I have to use my generator I always have the battery system charging while I use it. I also have a smaller generator that I can charge the battery bank with as well.

What is nice is during the summer, I sell power back to the power company, which offsets some of my costs Like I said earlier, it is not cheap to be off the grid, so if you are doing it to save money, most times you will at best break even after you figure all of the costs. It is nice being independent if needed

But as I said, if you have not figured out your amp requirements, then you need to and that will give you a path to follow to even being partially off the grid.
 

Maclin

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Its all ready happening, man. That's why I don't drink tap water. They lie about fluoride. Peace On Earth is really Purity Of Essence. The Russians have been making us go sterile with our drinking water for generations. That's why i only drink rain water (for you kids that don't know what I am talking about watch Dr. Strangelove)

Wow, synchronicity, I had a craving for that movie last weekend and watched it last Sunday, now time for some 'zone episodes as that theme music is now running thru my head,sigh... :D
 

kahuna123

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Yes pretty much I have. We have about three tough months of high temps. I can live with paying for air conditioning and stove when I need it. I do like the idea of being independent. As far as selling back I can't see the benefit here. But the rebates REALLY make a difference in roi. Although not knowing all the rules I may to have at least be hooked up to sell back in order to get them. Plus the federal rebate. That could cut cost by %50????
 
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Bullrider

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I have a device that creates electricity into heat. It runs a fan on my wood stove. They are on EBay any day. Not "sterilized" from the Media.
 

MTboatguy

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Where I am located you are required to sell to the power company when you over generate, it was part of the agreement when we joined the co-op, so you need to check with your local supplier to see what they are doing for those who over generate power, which sometimes is not avoidable depending on conditions. If you over generate enough, it can offset costs, but it is a long term project and it takes good management of the system.
 

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Very clever. Yet I sympathize with your dyslexia sir. We have discussed creating electricity from heat and not heat from electricity.
Google "ECOFAN". This devise has a gizmo that creates electricity with one side cooling as the other side being heated. This transfer is similar to how our bodies create electricity only in the chemical level.
 

bruceb58

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Very clever. Yet I sympathize with your dyslexia sir. We have discussed creating electricity from heat and not heat from electricity.
Google "ECOFAN". This devise has a gizmo that creates electricity with one side cooling as the other side being heated. This transfer is similar to how our bodies create electricity only in the chemical level.
The gizmo is called a Peltier device. They are usually used in cheap iceboxes or fridges. Very inefficient. I made a fishtank cooler for a friend of mine with one of those.
 
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Bullrider

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Where I am located you are required to sell to the power company when you over generate, it was part of the agreement when we joined the co-op, so you need to check with your local supplier to see what they are doing for those who over generate power, which sometimes is not avoidable depending on conditions. If you over generate enough, it can offset costs, but it is a long term project and it takes good management of the system.

Yes I agree.
I have a grid tie inverter from my solar panels that make my meter run backwards in the sunny season. If I over harvest I can be paid 54 cent per kilowatt up to 100 kilowatts max. That's Five dollars four cents and is all they will let me have back. Any more is a waste. Maddening! The new "smart meters" will cause you to be charged for ALL power you send back to the grid!
 

Bullrider

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The eco fan does do work though. efficient or not
 
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QC

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Bullrider posted a diagram here, but I was compelled by an unknown force to delete it. Oh well. The depths of this conspiracy are mind boggling.
 

QC

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I am being compelled to delete that link, but I am resisting. The sad thing is that site is compelled to keep you :eek:
 

JASinIL2006

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Watch it gentlemen! You are making fun of forces you cannot imagine!

:spy::spy::spy::spy::spy:
 

Bullrider

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Watch it gentlemen! You are making fun of forces you cannot imagine!

:spy::spy::spy::spy::spy:

Mwah Ha Ha Yes. And I am spying on all. The boat forum thing is just a decoy!
I did try to post a pic of a diagram. It will be up but not at this time, my phone won't.
 

kahuna123

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I am figuring on a 5kw start up with rolls batteries and probably 6 200 watt panels. Not to run the 220. I have a huge frig that with two kids runs a lot. I want to add a second circuit breaker box next to the existing one and pull the 110 over. Use a 50 amp from the main turned off to the inverter unless needed or I guess with the newer smart ones that isn't necessary. Feed the 110 with the inverter. Getting back any overage isn't really important. I was looking more at the rebates and federal tax relief. Separate charge controller.
 
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rbh

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For close to 100% efficiency you are going to have to build it so it tilts north or south as the seasons change.
 

MTboatguy

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Remember you will have to put in a switch box on the 110 from your existing box, so you can prevent any back feed in the line, I have a pretty heavy duty switching system on mine as when I have the generator running, 15KW would really cause problem if it back fed in the main power lines, what you need to do it make sure and have your plans approved by someone who has their certification, fortunately the guy that lives close to me, is a master electrician and helped me get my set up approved.
 
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