John Kerry showing his support for vets...

POINTER94

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Good for what????<br /><br />Rant rags for the left....<br /><br />Please
 

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Guess you can't always believe what you read, right PW2........................especially since the liberal media fills our newspapers with constant trash.<br /><br />........I "believe" I will vote for Bush........again. :)
 

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Originally posted by Carphunter:<br /> Guess you can't always believe what you read, right PW2........................especially since the liberal media fills our newspapers with constant trash.<br /><br />........I "believe" I will vote for Bush........again. :)
Heck I know I am along with all my family.<br />Don't even have to think about it.
 

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Make no mistake, friends. <br /><br />I believe that John Kerry is a jerk, but I am embarrassed that an even bigger jerk appeared to "represent" the right.<br /><br />Ted Sampley does more to help the liberals than to harm their position. He does not represent THIS right-wing conservative Libertarian.<br /><br />However stupid and offensive his history or his politics, John Kerry went in harm's way on our behalf. Perhaps he suffered brain damage over there (there is good evidence of that). Either way, he is as entitled as any American to stand at the memorial. Sampley dishonors his dead comrades by seeking to curb Kerry's rights and making all conservatives look like a bunch of "Freedom for me, but not those who disagree with me" idiots.
 

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I just have a hard time dealing with someone that "pretends" to be something he is not, just to sway the voters.<br /><br />Just the thought of Kerry promoting anti-war rallies during the Vietnam era is enough to make my skin crawl.<br /><br />Don't change your ideas now, just because those ideas don't appeal to a certain group of individuals.
 

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"Kerry does not belong at the wall because he betrayed the soldiers who fought in Vietnam".
Ok Sampley Fans... Fine.. <br /><br />I'd guess then that dubya had no business participating in the dedication of the World war 2 memorial or visiting Arlington on memorial day, Ya know, seeing as dubya's prior service record is questionable with him going AWOL and all?...<br /><br />Don't that sound dumb? Yep.. Almost as ignorant as "Kerry does not belong at the wall because he betrayed the soldiers who fought in Vietnam".<br /><br />My work here is done... Have a nice day!... :cool:
 

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I'm so very glad Kerry is running for president. I feel a little more confidant of victory in November.
 

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Bigfun said it so well:
If Kerry's reaction was not a true picture of the man then truth is a meaningless word. His reaction represents a true part of his personality. How a president reacts under stress is important and this incident is just another clue to help people decide.<br /><br />I don't beleive it's meaningless. A persons personality plays a part in all the decisions they make. An adult flipping off someone in front of children that he knew were there, has to mean something.
But does kerry have the right to visit the wall? Sure, of course he has the right to go grandstand and take a phony photo op there if he (or his campaign manager) wants! And so does Sampley have the right to tell kerry off the way he did. He knew he couldn't really escort him away, but I'm sure his crass performance was intended to make a point rather than actually remove kerry. I'm neither embarrased nor impressed by the stunt. Didn't prove anything. But kerry sure did. I don't want a jerk like that as my president! No self control, no class, no respect for others- not even school kids. He doesn't deserve to be a senator much less president.
 

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JB hit the mark again. Like him or hate him, he served, is an american, and therefor has a right to visit any public memorial or park or forest etc.<br /><br />I do find it interesting that one single conservative zealot would cause this guy to react in the childish and inappropriate way he did. Imagine if any conservative acted this way at the hate in's sponsored by the left at every conservative forum or college campus where they speak. With that said, I would probably have popped the guy in the kisser if he pulled that crap on me. I don't have any aspiration to the presidency though.
 

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was that a freudian slip, or just a snapshot of the man - kerry unplugged ;) i'm wondering when all the news outlets are gonna splash that picture across the front page? surely at a public event there were dozens of photos being taken....
 

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Do you mean the one with Hanoi Jane posted above? Or the middle finger protruding in the general direction of some heckler? (I wonder if anyone got that pic).<br /><br />The Hanoi Jane photo is photoshop, I hate to say. The pic of the two of them at a mike of an antiwar rally together is a meddley of HJ at the mike, and Kerry from another photo. They did actually go to the same "events" and speak and spit, but never on the same podium at the same time.<br />This pic, on the other hand, is NOT photoshop;<br />Just above HJ's head, a row or two back...Even back then, nobody wanted to be seen with him :) <br /><br />
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First of all, the story makes no sense. That the secret service would allow that idiot to get that close to Kerry while threatening him is hard to believe.<br />What's even harder to believe is that Kerry, who if nothing else is a skilled politician, would react as described.<br />Any politician in politics 101 learns not to react to a heckler in any other way than with a smile. There is simply no upside in a reaction of any sort, and if Kerry knows anything, he knows this.<br /><br />We have so much disinformation coming out of the right, it's kind of to be expected, however. It will be, I am confident, why reasonable rational people will be repulsed by it.<br /><br />We have serious issues facing this country. An honest debate would be a welcome change. Instead we have millions and millions of dollars being spent on misleading negative ads regarding Kerry. The polls, of course, suggest that no one believes them, which is to be expected.<br /><br />Especially when our president, as he did yesterday, suggests that he hardly even met that charming guy Ahmed Chalabi. When Chalabi was seated right behind the First Lady at the state of the union! I guess we are to believe that festival seating rules apply at the state of the union!!! <br /><br />If I were a member of the right, I'd be mighty upset that my leader seemed to think I was that stupid and naive, and will apparently believe anything.
 

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I simply like the evidence that Kerry puts up for the American people. I feel it speaks volumes that certain people cover it up.<br /><br />As for political events like the state of the union. The president doesn't handle the seating arangements bub. Shaking hands with someone in a greeting procession can be defined as "hardly meeting" someone. Lets get real. <br /><br />Kerry is shooting himself in the foot, and I like the fact that he can't hold his temper.<br /><br />As for him going to the wall. Anything that shows Kerry for what he is, is worth the effort. He was there pretending to be something he is not. It just doesn't sit well with some of us here in the U.S.. You are going to have to accept that fact. Yes he has the right to visit the wall. Just as everyone has the right to go to Harvard or Yale. Tell me there aren't any social boundaries there. There are just some places that the American people do not want a traitor going.<br /><br />So I am torn between the issue. He has the right to visit the wall, however we have the right to call a duck, a duck. I really think the media needs to start feeding the people everything, with no special wording for subliminal programming.
 

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I'm suprised John hasn't come back with a statement saying he wasn't flipping the bird, he was just telling the Vets he thinks they are #1 :rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by gaugeguy:<br /> I'm suprised John hasn't come back with a statement saying he wasn't flipping the bird, he was just telling the Vets he thinks they are #1 :rolleyes:
:D :D :D
 

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Yes Kerry had a right to go to the wall as any citizen has. That is a point of freedom I will defend for any one.<br />Now here is the but!!!<br /><br />Has kerry earned the right to go to the wall?<br />In my opinion he has not. Sure he is a vet ant that has not been denied. He also turned against our guys that was over there and to me there is nothing I mean absolutely nothing that he can say or do that will get my forgiveness for that.<br />Him and jane both can go straight to ----<br />Fill in the blanks.<br />He has been given enough rope and he has hanged himself with it.
 

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Do I misunderstand PW2, or is he saying the media are lying in order to sell paper and TV time??<br /><br />See, guys! We do agree with PW2 on SOMETHING. :)
 

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I can certainly see why supporters of this president, and of course the president himself with his ads, feel the need to attack Kerry any time they can, with anything they can come up with, accurate or not. <br /><br />It is because this president has nothing positive to run on, and his policies have been for the most part dismal failures.<br /><br />It does take guts to attack someone who was decorated as a war hero on their service record by an administration that never served a minute in any sort of combat situation, however. It would appear to be a move based on complete desperation, but still it is disgusting.
 

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PW2 aka plywoody I presume said on the topic (Couldn't have said it better)posted in May of 2003 <br /> Nope. Never in the military. A proud Viet Nam era draft dodger. Completely legally, of course. <br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />Then says<br /> It does take guts to attack someone who was decorated as a war hero on their service record by an administration that never served a minute in any sort of combat situation, however. It would appear to be a move based on complete desperation, but still it is disgusting. <br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />That means so much coming from someone that speaks out of both sides of ones mouth.If PW2 isn't aka plywoody,I retract my statement and offer my apologies.
 

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PW2,<br />So you really believe the left has a monopoly on Truth & is always correct in everything they speak??? Hopefully you wouldn't pretend that. Are you sure that just maybe your left leaning doesn't make your judgment just a little bit selective, as you seem to not so subtly imply we who are conservative also do? We ALL see things through a perspective unique to each of us. We all tend to prefer our own perspective, most obviously. Any culutural anthropologist worth anything will tell you that there is simply no such thing as fully acheiving complete objectivity. It is a noble goal, to be sure, but in practice it is more like a mirage or fantasy than anything that can be possessed tangibly. We all come from somewhere, and carry the baggage we collected along the way. True for both of us equally. You may not be meaning what I am hearing but it sounds to me that you believe that the left is more righteous than the right. There have been plenty of scoundrels on both sides, in actuality.<br /><br />Let me see if I understand from your earlier post on this thread:
We have so much disinformation coming out of the right, it's kind of to be expected, however. It will be, I am confident, why reasonable rational people will be repulsed by it.<br />
So are you trying to say that all who have conservative tendencies are unreasonable and irrational? I hope you don't believe that. Just because you don't like hearing what the Bush campaign says does not make it false. Are you saying that we must be not only unthinking but also irrational if we differ from your PC perspective? It would be utterly arrogant to draw such a conclusion. To put this in perspective the founding fathers including the extremely non-partison George Washinton must also have been irrational, right? Have you ever studied their writings to know what they believed? They were far more conservative than the majority of today's Republicans! Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot to get my information from the more modern, revised and corrected Politically Correct revisionist/relativistic history books and media. After all the liberal writers of today have a much deeper understanding than the original men who founded this land themselves did, right? Maybe you should clarify your statement! In terms of economics, defense, core societal values, and anything else you can think of the conservative perspective is based upon altruistic values desiring good for our nation. (As is I believe most of the motivation for the Democratic platform. The big difference is the perspecive necessary to get TO the goal is missing in the left, IMO. They tripped badly when they embraced the convenience of relativism. Republicans are sliding this way also but haven't yet lost all hope of maintaining intellectual integrity) Are there individuals who fail to live up to this expected integrity? Sure! On both sides! But neither you nor anyone in the media has been able to bring any solid proof that our President has anything but good motives. Speculate and insinuate all you want. It just isn't there. I do not challenge your right to see things differently. I do not challenge your right to disagree with the President, me, or anyone else. But I most certainly challenge your assertion that the President's campaign is dishonest enough to be so full of the "disinformation" you allege. Politics is messy business. It wouldn't have to be if more aspirants had more integrity. Remember, liberalism comes from relativist origins; liberalism is attempting to reach the same lofty goals from a relativistic approach which is like hiking in the woods without a compass. But it doesn't really matter that there is no compass because you're trying to reach a state of mind rather than a specific location. (Oops! Goal redefined!) Having everyone feel good about it is evidently more important than BEING good organically? Relativism is nothing more than the practice of throwing away the moral and intellectual yardsticks and replacing them with a very elastic one which will conform to man's selfish will instead of a greater absolute which demands our conformity. Redefine the issue so you don't have to deal with it. How is it that the party which loves to proclaim tolerance has themselves grown totally intolerant and narrow of anyone who values absolutes? How can ANYTHING be procaimed wrong (gads! Even being conservative!) if there is no longer a fully developed right and wrong? WHY ARE LIBERALS SO AFRAID OF ABSOLUTES? How inconsistent.<br /><br />Truth could really hurt if it were't so easily redefined into nothingness by the left.
 
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