Hull aluminum thickness and outboard bracket question

[Deadwood]

Re: Hull aluminum thickness and outboard bracket question

Well I am just kicking around the idea right now, the admiral is kind of trying to do a blockade on me. So we will see how things go. The only reason I was thinking of the 25 kicker is because it is a freebe. Hard to turn down something like that that is free for the taking. Yes the new modern 4 strokes are way cool and way heavy and waaaaaaaay spendy, might have to do something like an older motor for the OB if it goes that way. Am not going to a 12K motor on a boat I paid a grad for, just would not and does not feel right. I am just having a hard time getting on board with fixing up my outdrive and motor, it is bothering me bad at the moment. That all might change when it comes right down to it though, we will have to see.

I am also fishing mostly on the Columbia river and it has some ripping tides a lot of the time. Trolling on it can be a real PIA, I know a couple of guys that had electric trolling motors and they can't use them in the river as they are not strong enough to fight the current. Have seen a ton of boats on the river with 15 horses on them, not to many below that. And that is on 17 ft boats for the most part.

Hey Kelly, just fanning the flames...probably more CL options in your area...didn't see any Yamaha's...I like them too..got a 25" 8hp Honda on mine...love it.
http://oregoncoast.craigslist.org/boa/2067773485.html
http://oregoncoast.craigslist.org/boa/2067056069.html
http://oregoncoast.craigslist.org/boa/2060211061.html

 

[Starcraft Enterprise]

Re: Hull aluminum thickness and outboard bracket question

All the carb ones are fine. I think pre-'02 FICHT motors are questionable as well as some years of Optimaxes. However, I would think that any FICHT or Optibombs from the troublesome time period that are still running have most likely had the required updates applied to them.

What are the updates?

 

[ezmobee]

Re: Hull aluminum thickness and outboard bracket question

I know there were engine computer software updates. Not sure if anything mechanical was replaced.

 

[jasoutside]

Re: Hull aluminum thickness and outboard bracket question

Hey guys, check this out...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BOAT...at_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item588b62e94d

Too big?

Curved hull?

Anyway, thought I'd shoot it up there for ya.

You could put this on it...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1998...at_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item230c363fb3

 

[Pugetsound]

Re: Hull aluminum thickness and outboard bracket question

You could sure make that narrower in a hurry.

 

[GLG fishing]

Re: Hull aluminum thickness and outboard bracket question

Very little if any flotation in that bracket.
On the west coast we tend to use a pod.
It has full flotation right across the transom

On another note some of the Yamaha 4-stroke are starting to have corrosion issues.
Even if they were flushed with fresh water after use in the salt.
The corrosion is on the inside where its hard to tell.
Watch out for those motors going cheap.

GLG

 

[KellyC]

Re: Hull aluminum thickness and outboard bracket question

Hey Starcraft Enterprise, have you received that quote on the OB bracket as of yet? Just curious as to what is going on. I finally did a compression on mine and it was 150, 135, 135, 140 so my motor does not look as if it is dead. But still thinking about the bracket and OB.

 

[GLG fishing]

Re: Hull aluminum thickness and outboard bracket question

Those numbers are within 10% your golden.
They may even come up more after some treatment.

GLG

 

[Starcraft Enterprise]

Re: Hull aluminum thickness and outboard bracket question

I got that quote back from Armstrong. I was pretty disappointed on how vague and expensive it was considering all of the specific info they requested. I filled that form out completely and was specific on what exactly which options I wanted. And this is what they sent me.

Thank you for contacting Marineparts.com.
I have compiled a quote as follows:
Single 15" wide standard bracket $1295.00
Single 30" wide floatation bracket $1795.00
Each with standard 29" setback
Add $300.00-$400.00 for Swim Platform
Freight not included, no tax.

To order call toll free 800-680-0389 (Intl. 561-748-0053) Ext.102
or email me at jon@marineparts.com with any questions you might have.
Enjoy our new online shopping 24 hours a day at
http://www.marineparts.com
Order a Manual for your Motor here http://www.marineparts.com/sierra/sierra114.aspx
Regards,
Jon Stevens.
Tel: 800-680-0389 Ext. 102
Fax: 561-748-0422
jon@marineparts.com



I am going to stick with this bracket on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SING...5516715QQptZBoatQ5fPartsQ5fAccessoriesQ5fGear

I am going to be using a 2 stroke outboard which is lighter than a 4 stroke. It has as much floatation in the center as the one in the pic below. Plus I will be losing alot of weight when I remove the cast iron I/O block, outdrive and move my fuel tank and batteries forward.

 

[ezmobee]

Re: Hull aluminum thickness and outboard bracket question

Sounds like a great plan to me.

 

[GLG fishing]

Re: Hull aluminum thickness and outboard bracket question

Don?t forget to add trim tabs into your budget. I look forward to watching your progress on your project. If it works out I may just follow you and do my Starchief.
GLG

 

[elkhunter338]

Re: Hull aluminum thickness and outboard bracket question

On the kickers I can give you some good numbers for speed.
21foot starcraft in the ocean.
15hp 2001 Johnson 2 stroke with 4 blade solar prop 7 pitch, 4500 rpms I get 5mph via gps.

25hp 1995 johnson 2 stroke unknown prop, 7 mph gps, this one got taken away since the guy I was borrowing it from got mad at me. Now I am back to my 15hp.

I was looking at a 20hp honda but cost was too expensive since I have a good 15hp. Bought new and never had any trouble. Mine will troll at 35:1 without fouling plugs.
25hp idled fine at 40:1 with premim non eth fresh gas.

 

[Starcraft Enterprise]

Re: Hull aluminum thickness and outboard bracket question

On the kickers I can give you some good numbers for speed.
21foot starcraft in the ocean.
15hp 2001 Johnson 2 stroke with 4 blade solar prop 7 pitch, 4500 rpms I get 5mph via gps.

25hp 1995 johnson 2 stroke unknown prop, 7 mph gps, this one got taken away since the guy I was borrowing it from got mad at me. Now I am back to my 15hp.

I was looking at a 20hp honda but cost was too expensive since I have a good 15hp. Bought new and never had any trouble. Mine will troll at 35:1 without fouling plugs.
25hp idled fine at 40:1 with premim non eth fresh gas.

My kickers are alot older and only require 50:1. Why do you run the oil so heavy?

 

[Starcraft Enterprise]

Re: Hull aluminum thickness and outboard bracket question

Check this out. I finally get my mind made up and find this.

http://dayton.craigslist.org/boa/2095264951.html

I talked to him on the phone. The motor runs with good compression on all the cylinders. Everything works, tilt etc. He said he had it out on the water over the summer, but the floor and seats are shot. Also the bottom of the skeg is chipped off. Easy fix. He took it in on trade from a guy who owed him $500 and just wants the trailer. He wants $350 for the motor and controls!!!!
So, you guys mentioned that parts are hard to find for the Sea Drives. Hard or nearly impossible? Is it possible to convert the motor to fit on a regular transom mount?

 

[ezmobee]

Re: Hull aluminum thickness and outboard bracket question

SeaDrives are pretty much standard OMC outboards so parts for the motor/lower unit etc are not a problem. Parts for the brack and tilt mechanism are an issue. However, I can't really see what kind of parts you'd need for that anyway. TnT's can be rebuilt. For $350, I fail to see how you could get hurt.

 

[Pugetsound]

Re: Hull aluminum thickness and outboard bracket question

Always --He Says- She Says-- Ask for the P O phone number and talk to them about performance of Boat before he got rid of it. IMHO better safe than sorry. If you cant get the PO number in say forget it.

 

[elkhunter338]

Re: Hull aluminum thickness and outboard bracket question

I was running heavy on the oil for two reasons.
One I was running that great 10% eth fuel and wanted some extra lubrication.
Since then I have switched to non eth fuel and 50:1.
Also in the ocean most of the time if I need to run the outboard it is going to be wot for 1-2 hrs, in my manual it states use 25:1 for extream use, so I split the difference.
I now just plan to add alittle extra oil if I need to run the motor hard for an extended period of time. Which hopefully is not needed since I have a newer main engine/outdrive. At 50:1 on the calm days I use the 15 to troll with, so there is less smoke.
I never had plug fouling problems even when the engine was new and I broke it in on 25:1 as per the manual.

 

[Starcraft Enterprise]

Re: Hull aluminum thickness and outboard bracket question

I was running heavy on the oil for two reasons.
One I was running that great 10% eth fuel and wanted some extra lubrication.
Since then I have switched to non eth fuel and 50:1.
Also in the ocean most of the time if I need to run the outboard it is going to be wot for 1-2 hrs, in my manual it states use 25:1 for extream use, so I split the difference.
I now just plan to add alittle extra oil if I need to run the motor hard for an extended period of time. Which hopefully is not needed since I have a newer main engine/outdrive. At 50:1 on the calm days I use the 15 to troll with, so there is less smoke.
I never had plug fouling problems even when the engine was new and I broke it in on 25:1 as per the manual.

That makes sense. I troll calm fresh water at 1-2 mph and run barely above idle. So I generally run lean on the oil to keep my plugs from fouling. When I run 50:1 and troll for long periods, I end up with a gray slime running out of my exhaust afterwards from the un-burnt oil.

 

[Starcraft Enterprise]

Re: Hull aluminum thickness and outboard bracket question

I crack up every time I look at this. The Mercruiser Seadrive.

 

[jasoutside]

Re: Hull aluminum thickness and outboard bracket question

The Mercruiser Seadrive.

That is unbelievable! Well, if nothing else, creative engineering I suppose

I have to think that the original design of the Merc (or is that OMC Cobra there) IO transom assembly was never designed to bear that kind of weight