How I Ruined Easter

scipper77

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I didn't read through all of the responses but here's my opinion...

Snapping when threatened = normal and should be disciplined.

I don't own a dog. I hate dogs. But I have watched enough Dog Whisperer to know how dead wrong that is.

Care to elaborate?? I never said it is acceptable behavior but it doesn't take the dog whisperer to know that a frightened/intimidated dog might snap if you get in it's face. Our dog snapped on my friends wife once when she grabbed the dog by both sides of it's face and said something like "who's a good girl" from in inch away. My dog had never seen her before and was terrified when this stranger grabbed her face and rapidly came at her. The dog nipped her lip....

My wife without hesitation did things to that dog that need not be aired publicly. I completely understand why my dog snapped, but as I stated this "normal" behavior must be disciplined. It's totally not acceptable. I'd liken it to saying that it's normal for a child to leave there toys all over. This behavior must be corrected in much the same way so that it doesn't happen again in the future.

If my dog would have attacked my friends wife (anything more than taking a fearful nip) I can assure you we would have put her down.
 

i386

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You should never kick a dog that small in the teeth. They go much farther when you can get them from the side. Also, adjust your contact point fore or aft from center to control the direction of spin. For example, if the little ankle biter is facing left, a well placed kick right behind the front leg will result in a nice clockwise spin.;)

Seriously, I hope everything works out.
 

mommicked

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One bite from even a small dog and a child can be mentally and physically scarred for life.If acting in a threatening manor it should be stopped instantly by whatever means necessary, period.If your dog is aggressive it should not be around children who may cause bad behavior unknowingly.But it should not matter what the cause when a child is involved.I love my dogs but I would not tollerate them growling,nipping or biting anyone,young or old,unless protecting my posted property from a thief.If I was home I would do it myself,GRRRR!Also I have been threatened or attacked by dogs more than a few times.Ive found holding your ground to large mean dogs usually calms them, let them approach and smell.But mean small dogs will often bite,sometimes when you think they have calmed down and you turn your back to them to get back to work.What ever you do, dont run from them unless you have a way to get out of reach nearby, this almost always leads to a bite if you cant outrun them.
 

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You should never kick a dog that small in the teeth. They go much farther when you can get them from the side. Also, adjust your contact point fore or aft from center to control the direction of spin. For example, if the little ankle biter is facing left, a well placed kick right behind the front leg will result in a nice clockwise spin.;)

Seriously, I hope everything works out.


Hehe...:D
 

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My dad had a cat for years named Pete. The cat was very much a part of his life, and also very independent, which is basically the definition of a cat.

Enter wayward son with a brat wife and 3 brat kids, put up because they became homeless through son's own fault. (I'm tattling on my brother) The kids were told to just leave the old cat alone. They wouldn't, and got scratched (defensive) a few times. Dad got rid of the cat to keep the peace.

Some time later, he lamented to me that he should have gotten rid of the kids and kept the cat.

just 'nother viewpoint.
 

CC245

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Wow! I can't believe what I'm reading here! I think we all need to calm down.
It sounds to me that a small dog was barking and jumping on a 9 year old. The OP did not say anything about anyone being bit. I agree that the FIL needs to take responsibility, and teach the dog some discipline. We also needs to teach our kids how to interact with animals. What kind of lesson are you teaching that child when you react with violence towards the dog? I've been around animals my whole life and have never had to hit or kick one. I think I actually read that one poster shot a duck that was attacking his child! Really! A DUCK! Can you say overprotective! What's next, shooting those rampaging killer butterflies. These kids are going to grow up not being able to do anything for themselves. Sometimes you need to touch the stove to learn that it is hot!
Go talk to your FIL. Work it out. Are you going to allow a small incident (no one was hurt) to cause a big family problem. I'm sure you can come to a compromise. I hope it all works out for you!
 

infideltarget

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I think I actually read that one poster shot a duck that was attacking his child! Really! A DUCK! These kids are going to grow up not being able to do anything for themselves. !

Hey...ducks are dangerous! You never watched Discovery Channel's "Duck Week"? Those ducks get downright quackers!

My kids will be able to do plenty for themselves...and be good shots too! :D
 

CC245

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Hey...ducks are dangerous! You never watched Discovery Channel's "Duck Week"? Those ducks get downright quackers!

My kids will be able to do plenty for themselves...and be good shots too! :D
Yes! I have seen "Duck Week". I like when they film from the "Duck Cage" with all those deadly duck's swarming around. They do have sharp teeth!
 

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I once wrung the next of a goose that attacked my daughter when she was three years old and I have the 7 inch scar to prove it on my arm, them buggers get mad and they get flat nasty! Best watch dog in the world, but don't let them get a hold of you with that serrated beak, took 36 stitches to close that cut up!
 

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When I was 14 I volunteered a summer in the NW corner of North Dakota. I worked with my uncle that ran a wildlife refuge. We banded Canadian Geese. I handled about 50 wild geese, and it seemed like they were as big as I was. I held them down while my uncle banded them. Never got bit or scratched. All depends on the situation.
 

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I used to work at night and I was leaving the house on my scooter in the pitch dark and not 2 houses down this guy had this big white dog (I know for sure it wasnt my neighbors dog, but I saw it come from his house) and this guy was behind him calling him back as he charged straight for me on my scoot. He was ignoring the guys calls. Well the damn dog stops right in front of me so I hit the horn. Well that scares the **** out of this dog who takes off running with the guy chasing after it. I can hear, through my earplugs I wear while riding, this guy yelling at me because I honked at his dog and scared it. I yelled back "Keep your damn dog on a leash!" and hit the gas leaving dumb*** and his dog behind.

I hate stupid dog owners.

Oh yea, all this went down in the middle of street.
 

Kiwi Phil

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What a great thread this is developing into.
I am finding myself making excuses to come up to the house so I can check it!!

Where's Scoutabout??
We need an update.
(I am seriously concerned to see how he got on).

Anyway, has Grandpa come home yet?
(if he hasn't, there's a fair few replacements for him on this channel.)

Good Luck
Cheers
Phillip
 

Mel Taylor

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What's next, shooting those rampaging killer butterflies.

I don't know about rampaging killer butterflies, but I do know that an air rifle loaded with BBs works well on vicious, marauding grasshoppers. I tried using .177 pellets but they ruin too much meat.:D
 

scoutabout

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Wow - I never expected all the responses and I really appreciate all the thoughtful observations. You guys are great and I appreciate the support, and even the odd challenge that's been posted. We all know these kinds of threads are "he said, she said" affairs where you don't get the benefit of the "she said" part. I could certainly be painting things in a certain light to make my side look rosy but am honestly trying to present a balance view. Not that you can validate that.

Just to address a couple of things...

Regarding putting my own kid in harm's way - yeah I need to own that one. Fact is, though he had been getting progressively closer with the little monster over the past several visits. Despite how much I hate the thing, my son really wants to be his friend and I thought had been starting to win the dog over. They went from leashing him most of the time to not having to that much. Yesterday was a complete throwback to behaviour of a year ago or more, and it caught me off guard. Doesn't look good on me, I'll admit. I had basically been lulled into a sense that the issue was going away and had no real excuse for letting my guard down.

Regarding just beating the dog myself just as many of you would have jumped to do. Again, yep - I think I was letting my FIL and MIL off easy these years with their dogs. Why say it when I could have just hoofed it. Of course the other option of is to tell them we aren't coming around any more til they do something concrete about the situation. We had to resort to that ten years ago over an issue my wife had with her mom which I won't bore you with. Upshot was though we didn't see or talk to them for almost three years before giving them another chance (due to being pregnant with our first kid and deciding we'd try a fresh start). The woman was on her absolute best behaviour for a good five years straight after that hiatus...

As for the possible medical issues - that's an interesting one I hadn't thought of. My MIL was just saying to us quietly recently that she thinks he's having memory problems. Now, she's a bit off herself so I wasn't totally giving it 100 percent credence but will pay much more attention now.

On the kid vs dog issue - I don't think it's a case of making a rational choice becuase choosing the dog just isn't rational. I think rather he knows in his heart this will be another dog down the drain, maybe sooner than not. Bubba mentioned maybe he likes the dog that way or specifically opted to cultivate an unfriendly dog to keep neighbours at bay but that isn't it. I think it's more avoiding the tough discipline when for the most part those two are alone together and there isn't any need. That's coming to an end, though. My wife's sister lives overseas but is coming home this summer with her two year-old girl to stay and I think he's getting worried about that. The nipping is relatively new which is a bad sign the dog is getting comfortable with physical attack. Granted the thing's jaws open all of four inches, but still - more than enough to do devastating damage to a toddler.

My FIL has never been a terribly talkative guy when it comes to how he feels and his default for emotional distress has traditionally been to turn into a first class a-hole. My wife tells me had I followed him out to the car to press the point, I probably would have got myself decked. She's seen it before but not since she was a kid. It was such a surprise to me because he and I have traditionally been on the same page, no matter what the issue. I also agree he probably feels about 3 inches tall by now.

As for updates - well what I neglected to mention was the occasion was a combined Easter and birthday celebration, for me. After the explosion I caught a glimpse of my wife over in the kitchen shoving the birthday cake back into the fridge. Then I had to sit through her mother trying to give me a birthday present. How sureal.

Anyway - no contact from him yet and I'm not thinking I'll get any for a while. I'm also trying to figure out if that apology note was premature. Yes, I can see how what I said was disrespectful, but I think I'm more p'd off now that I was last week. I do think it will get patched up eventually - and my MIL called to say she was going to speak to her vet about obedience training, however, the dog is his and if he's not buying into the plan, I don't know how successful this will be.

Anyway - thanks again - I'll update when there is one.
 

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I don't necessarily disagree, Bubba. The issue with the dog is a symptom of the family dynamic in general, how we all chose to handle confrontation and especially my relationship with my FIL.
 

bassman284

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Well, I am going to disagree with Bubba to the extent that I think the dog's bad behavior is very important. Agree to the extent that it appears, as scoutabout says, some family dynamics figure in to the rift.

That said, regardless of family dynamics, there is no excuse for a dog to behave in this manner. Unfortunately many, maybe most, dog owners let the dog be boss. This is why you see the kind of dog behavior noted by the OP. They don't teach their dogs any discipline. To put it another way, most dog owners should not own a dog.

This is very typical of people who own small (harmless) dogs. "Oh, isn't he cute!" These folks generally don't like me very much because I won't take their dog's crap. I was a "dog whisperer" before Cesar Millan was born. Cesar takes it to a different level by wherein he not only stops the bad behavior, he teaches the dog to not behave badly toward anyone. I never thought of that. I just wanted to make sure the dog did not behave badly toward me or mine.
 

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This is my take on this subject.

First - Small dog's are hard to train. Un like big dogs that people are not as afraid to discipline with force. People are afraid to hit little dog's because there worried that they could hurt the dog. The small dog then gets the mind that it owns the house and every one in it (not good).

Second- Small dogs become lap dogs with there owners. The dog and the person become very close to the point the person loves the dog more than the people around them.

Third-I don't know if you have a pet or not but teach your son how to handle the dog. As long as your son plays possum with the dog the dog will continue being aggressive towards him. One that works well with all dogs is when they jump up on you is to knee them in the chest. This does not hurt them but sets them off balance. Your son needs to stop taking the dog's BS.

I have a little dog and even though my dog would love your son to death. I see the problems that come from pets that are not trained properly and small dogs can be the worst.Some breeds more than others.
 

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Another wild goose story to add.A friend rented a place w a large pond in his back yard.I came over to fish w him one day and a goose approached from 75yrds.he told me how he had been able to hand feed them after carefully working to gain their trust and started talking to the goose.It was springtime and as the bird approached he held his hand out as if to feed it.I recognized its anger,nesting,and told him "I dont think hes happy to see you".when he got close he lunged, wings spread,and bit my buddy,through his thin Dickeys work pants on his you know what,and did not let go for several seconds:eek:Ill never forget him hollering hopping backwards,still cluthcing his tackle box and rod w the bird still firmly attached!He finally dropped his gear and struggled to remove the bird from himself.I laughed so much I rolled on the ground:Das the bird slowly retreated,my buddy turned his back to me to check himself:eek:He was bleeding and in a great deal of pain and had to return to the house for first aid.He did come back to fish later and I asked him "are you OK your walkin funny"!!I would really love to have video of this.It would be all over the net!!!!!
 

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eek:Ill never forget him hollering hopping backwards,still cluthcing his tackle box and rod the bird still firmly attached!

This is DSC....I don't think you can say that in here....:eek::facepalm::D
 

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Sigh - family gatherings...

. My son was crying, saying he had just gotten up of the couch quickly and didn't notice the dog was sitting at his feet.
.:(

Dogs don't sit at the feet of someone they don't like!

Since your son suffers from cynophobia, wouldn't life be a lot easier if you would request that the dog be "put up" before you came to visit? Or have th inlaws come and visit you instead.

We have a Border Collie that we have to "put up" whenever someone comes to visit. She's our guard dog and we trained her that way for when I have to work out of town and my wife is home alone. If you get bitten by my dog, it's because you were somewhere you weren't supposed to be!

I was mauled twice by dogs in my childhood, once as a toddler by a rabid Spaniel (I had to take the 21 shots in the stomach back then) and once when I was 11 by a German Shepard that tried to disembowel me... but I never lost my love for or became afraid of dogs.

Get your son a puppy so he can overcome his fears.
 
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