How I Ruined Easter

scoutabout

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Sigh - family gatherings...

We were at the inlaws with our 9 year son. They have a history of keeping but not properly training their dogs. The last one they had they had to have put down because it was behaving more and more erratically, attacking other neighbour's dogs and getting dangerous around people. But they put up with ever more crazy behaviour for years before being forced to act.

Their latest dog is a very small rat/weasel cross that's constantly yipping and barking at people. You know the type. Takes ten minutes to settle down when you walk in the door. Then you leave the room for two minutes to hit the head and when you come back it's the same routine all over again.

Anyway, our son has been really unnerved by their dogs over the years and and developed a real phobia around dogs in general which we've been working hard to reverse.

Yesterday we heard a huge commotion in the living room, rushed in and the poor kid was cornered by the little dish rag, who was barking, growling, jumping and nipping at his hands. My son was crying, saying he had just gotten up of the couch quickly and didn't notice the dog was sitting at his feet.

The in-laws reaction is always the same. They tut-tut, and tisk-tisk, snap a lead on the dog and prattle on about how the dog "was startled" or "isn't used to children" and other excuses in that vein.

When we were kids my dad had a whole different attitude. When the new family dog showed signs of growling at my sister and I one day (and I'm sure we deserved it) he nevertheless laid a major beating on him (much more noise than anything else really) but stong enough to leave no uncertainly in his Alpha dog wannabe head that he was absolutely not leader of the pack and kids weren't to be even looked at wrong. "Dogs don't growl at kids becuase it can only get worse" was his mantra.

Then he laid into us good for teasing the poor animal. From that day forth we treated the dog better, and the dog certainly showed no further signs of impatience with us.

So, back to yesterday. I stopped my mother-in-law mid excuse and declared what the dog probably needed was a good kick in the teeth. The room fell silent and my father-in-law looked up from where he was carving a roast, knife poised, and said, "Did you just say you think my dog needs a kick in the teeth?" He's a no nonsense prairie farmer boy and can throw a stern look when he needs to. I on the other hand am a rather soft, citified desk-worker whom I'm sure he thinks hasn't really had a tough day in his life.

"Sure did", I said. "This crap with your dogs has been going on for years and it's time it stopped."

He quietly laid the knife down, came into the living room and said, "You better watch it boy," in a tone I've not heard him use in the twenty years I've known him. I didn't know whether to laugh or run. Who calls a grown man "boy" like he's ten? And in a tone that implied actual violence was pending.

Before I could really recover and respond, he let loose with a barrage of profanity and abuse which really floored me. All this right in front of the entire family. Then he stormed out, jumped in the car, and disappeared for the rest of the evening.

Obviously I hit a nerve (you think?) but I'm left with the dilemma of what to do with a) making it clear sanctioning unpredictable, annoying, and dangerous behaviour in thier pets (even the puny ones) isn't an option if they want family around and b) the question of how to react to his explosion and the damage to our relationship.

My son was really upset and kept asking us why Grandpa talked to me like that. I reassured him that Grandpa really did love me but was very upset becuase I had made a rather thoughtless remark about a dog he really loved. As we were leaving at the end of the evening (still sans Grandpa) I left a note in his den apologizing for the remark, noting I didn't handle my concern over the dog well.

Still, we are all shocked and upset he would let loose in such a way in front of our kid. Yes, I've already admitted to my wife it was a stupid way to advance the conversation about the dog, but really - to call me an effing, bleepity, bleepity, bleep and go slamming doors in front of his grand kid? And frankly, despite my poor handling of it, I'm really hurt myself. He's been better than a father to me for a couple of decades and I can't believe the person I was seeing confront me.

I guess I'm not sure what I really am looking from you guys. As my online family I suppose I just wanted to relate an upsetting story, but also wonder how you all might handle the various elements to this sad tale.

Talk about a ruined holiday weekend.:(
 

LippCJ7

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Re: How I Ruined Easter

Oh tough one, but not really....
I agree with you except, you are very right to have a problem with your in laws but you went to their house knowing the issue with the dog, so yes you are at fault.....sort of.

I am sure you feel that your wife wanted to goto their house for Easter and you probably felt that "yes dear" feeling in your stomach but...I don't think it will be an issue again. If your father in law is the man you think he is he will most likely make it right, I bet he feels horrible over the situation including the tirade. Where is your wife in all of this anyway?

Just so you know I would have kicked the little rat ba**ard in the junk and walked my wife and my kids out the front door. If this was the first time you had seen any kind of aggressive behavior from this animal then you get a pass completely, but Don't let it happen again, the dog thinks it is in charge and that's not going to work. If you know this dog was off balance then your at fault

I went over to my sister's house several years ago for Christmas dinner and a couple hours after we got there some of the kids came running in to the house screaming that the dog had some of the kids(including my daughter) holed up in the bed of my truck barking and snarling like he went nuts, I calmly drew my gun and went outside with the rest of my siblings in tow, Fortunately the St. Bernard was visciously wagging her tail and jumping up and down at the hamburger one of the little ones was holding. I got a ribbing for the situation but let me tell you there is no question what will happen if a dog is aggressive with my children.
 

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Re: How I Ruined Easter

We had a similar situation with a family member, every time we went over to there house there dog that weights about 90lbs jumps all over you and with his claws long ends up scratching you up, there response was to call the dog off several times which the dog just ignored them and then they would shrug there shoulders like what can I do, after the second time of that happening we now just meet them at a neutral place like a restaurant because I don't tolerate animals out of control.

By the way I have two dogs but they are trained to stay down and to leave the guest alone.

Regards,
Kent
 

roscoe

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Re: How I Ruined Easter

You were right, but not strong enough. He was wrong.

Divorce his daughter because she may end up like him when she gets to be his age.

Seriously, I wouldn't have said anything, I would have smashed the dog.

Sorry if that offends any of you, but its as close to the truth as I can imagine.
 

sschefer

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There's two sides to every story and you'll both have your own sides for many years to come. Just stop visiting and instead, carefully plan your vacations out of town and around the holidays. Worked with my old man. It took a couple of years for him to figure out that if he wanted to see the Grandchildren he better start behaving like a Grandfather.

Unlike you, I would have just kicked the dog in the teeth in the first place. It's easier to ask for forgiveness than it is for permission.
 

TilliamWe

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Re: How I Ruined Easter

Tough situation dude. No way to "win" only "lose". While you knew the situation regarding his dogs, it isn't your fault that his dog attacked your child. And let's get that clear, the dog ATTACKED your child. Any normal and properly trained dog that gets "startled" or even stepped on, yips, yelps, and RUNS AWAY. Not back the offender into a corner and nip at him. You are right, the dog needs a kick in the teeth. And possibly your father-in-law too. But if you are too "citified" to do it, I understand. I wouldn't have picked a fight with my father-in-law either, as he had 8" of height and 100lbs of weight on me!
The "only solution" for now is that you and the child do not go over there if the dog is in the house or anywhere around. Keeping grandchildren away from grandparents is a very effect behavior modification tool. (It doesn't always modify the behavior in the direction you want, but it modifies it for sure!) Good luck.
 

SigSaurP229

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Re: How I Ruined Easter

Sorry man that's a real bummer. Family tifts are the worse because its not something you can easily walk away from. You were right about the dog, maybe not the best way to phrase it but you were definetly right about the dog. Kid is always greater than dog. I think from this point forward I would make it abundantly clear that if his dog is more important than his grandchild than so be it. If he wants to visit he can come to your place without Fido.

I am the type that avoids confrontation whenever possible BUT that stops when my child or my wife are being threatened by anything.

I tolerate nothing when it comes to my kid end of story I once had my mother in law removed from a hospital, and permanantly dispatched a neighbors animal in defense of my kid.

If I were in your situation I don't think I would have said the dog needed a kick to the teeth, I walked in and its got my kid pinned against the wall I would have given it that kick in the teeth, and be D****** with the consequences.

Let the explosion die down on its own time heals all wounds.

You were right and you were in the right.

Good luck cleaning up the mess. I hope your wife understands it was in the best interest of your child that you acted.
 

Tyme2fish

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Re: How I Ruined Easter

Grandpa defended his dog over his grandchild? That's just wrong on all counts.

If it was my dog and my grandchild, that dog would still be flying from the boot in it's arse when I kicked it into orbit.
 

tswiczko

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No, You didn't ruin Easter they did by not putting the dog which they have little or no control over running loose in the house to hurt your kid. He was probably more embarrassed over the fact that you pointed out how to control his dog he is just incapable of accomplishing that.


"Then he laid into us good for teasing the poor animal. From that day forth we treated the dog better, and the dog certainly showed no further signs of impatience with us"

My Dad had a similar theory "spank em all and you'll get the right one" which he did. Which got the instigator and all other parties involved or otherwise.

Don't beat yourself up over it you were defending your child which is more important than any dog. I think grandpa owes your son and your family an apology IMHO.
 

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Re: How I Ruined Easter

FWIW, this is one of the best "family holiday" stories, I have ever heard. :(

Your outrage was probably a little over the top, but the boorish behavior of your FIL, over the misbehavior of his dog, towards guests, is way over the top, IMO.

Good luck getting things "smoothed over".

Again, exactly why do we spend holidays with the family? ;)
 

rbh

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They'll get over it, but please don't do a "-Lipp-" and "attempt to" shot the dog:facepalm: :eek:

(hate yappy little bitey hair balled excuse for a real dog)

(bet FIL hates the thing, but only puts up with it because of the wife!!!)
 

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Quick side note, we bought my daughter an Ipod for Easter. She's sitting on the couch sending me emails.

Anyway.......
As a whole, there are no bad dogs just bad owners. Of course, there are exceptions. Since your inlaws have a history of animals behaving badly, they're in need of some serious training before they should even be allowed to have pets. Aggressiveness from a pet should never be allowed. No excuses. Excuses just expose the lack of owner training. Should you have said what you did, not in my opinion. I personally would have got in the dogs face myself, not touching it, just with words. The owners would have got the hint what just happened was very wrong. That way you could have indirectly told the inlaws what just happened was way out of line. I don't have a problem verbally disiplining a family members or a good friends pet when need be. I expect them to do the same to mine. Animal agressiveness is not tolerated in my world. Nor is an animal beat down. Unless, of course, my family is in some serious trouble. Strong words can be quite the attitude adjuster.

Your father inlaw was way out of line. I would be willing to bet he feels 2" inches tall about now. He must be very embarrased. The hardest thing is when you 2 will meet again. Give it awhile for things to cool down. Hopefully, he'll contact you and it will all get worked out. Knowing someone for 20yrs is a long time. You'lll both come around and make things right.

You didn't ruin Easter, unfortunate circumstances did. It happens.
 

LippCJ7

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What do you mean "attempt to"? I carry three magazines to make sure there is no "attempt to"!:D
 

SigSaurP229

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What do you mean "attempt to"? I carry three magazines to make sure there is no "attempt to"!:D

+1 wouldn't be the first time there is no attempt to at least not when it comes to my child.

As stupid as it sounds a neighbor had a huge freaking duck in my yard my 3 year old at the time was playing in the yard. Duck kept chasing him in my own yard I chased it out of the yard once, it came back in the yard chasing after my kid again. Keep in mind the neighbor had already been warned he had a duck that flogged my wife once. I shot the duck. Ending up being a SERIOUS pain in the butt later BUT I would do it again. I could care less about me but NOTHING threatens my child.
 

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(bet FIL hates the thing, but only puts up with it because of the wife!!!)

Exactly, but there's nothing the FIL can do so he took out his frustrations on you!
 

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We have 11 grandchildren & 2 greatgrandkids. Also have 2 yappers ( 1 little wiener & 1 pom). Guess the dogs grew up around the kids so they all get along fine. One nip & the dog would be history. My youngens come first.

My suggestion...Give your boy a pocket spray can of WD40 & show him how to use it to defend himself against aggressive animals. It will come in handy if he's riding a bike down the street and has to defend himself against another dog. Next time you take him to gramps, the little mutt will get a suprise, the boy will feel better about himself & if grampa stomps out the door... well, have a good visit with grandma :)
 

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I totally agree Miner, if my dog were to growl or nip at one of my kids or grandkids. 2 would go out and 1 would come back. I got rid of one of the best rabbit hunting, run all day beagles I ever had because she growled at my oldest when he was just learning to walk. These people that have animals and treat them like they are kids really P me off. They are animals flat out, not humans. I can shoot em in the head today and find another tomorrow.
 

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We have 11 grandchildren & 2 greatgrandkids. Also have 2 yappers ( 1 little wiener & 1 pom). Guess the dogs grew up around the kids so they all get along fine. One nip & the dog would be history. My youngens come first.

My suggestion...Give your boy a pocket spray can of WD40 & show him how to use it to defend himself against aggressive animals. It will come in handy if he's riding a bike down the street and has to defend himself against another dog. Next time you take him to gramps, the little mutt will get a suprise, the boy will feel better about himself & if grampa stomps out the door... well, have a good visit with grandma :)

Pepper spray works pretty well too! For the dog or the FIL..either one!
 

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I feel your pain. My sister had a german shepherd that would try a little too much to "herd" my toddler and nip at his feet. He became afraid of dogs as a result. It was always uncomfortable there because the dog had to be kept in the basement. (un)fortunately the dog had to be put down due to chronic health issues at a young age. They now have another one that is alledgedly wonderful with children but I've been told it can't get along with other dogs so I don't trust it. Haven't been there since they got this new one so I don't know how it will go. I will be very guarded when we do visit.

My grandfather had a temper and once had an outburst like that in front of family. My mother told him if he ever acted like that again that he would never see his grandchildren again. Problem solved.
 

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I feel your pain. My sister had a german shepherd that would try a little too much to "herd" my toddler and nip at his feet. He became afraid of dogs as a result. It was always uncomfortable there because the dog had to be kept in the basement. (un)fortunately the dog had to be put down due to chronic health issues at a young age. They now have another one that is alledgedly wonderful with children but I've been told it can't get along with other dogs so I don't trust it. Haven't been there since they got this new one so I don't know how it will go. I will be very guarded when we do visit.

My grandfather had a temper and once had an outburst like that in front of family. My mother told him if he ever acted like that again that he would never see his grandchildren again. Problem solved.


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